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Libero
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No, but how easy would it be for the prison to prevent him from ordering anothers death?
He cannot use a phone
Read the letters he writes out
Sit in or prevent any meetings
Simple.
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He cannot use a phone
Read the letters he writes out
Sit in or prevent any meetings
Simple.
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vern_humphrey
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So how come the people he ordered killed are still dead?
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CatholicCid
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vern humphrey:
Problem: People in prison still killing people outside of prison.
Result: Death
Problem: Making a prison system where inmates can’t harm society.
Result: A better and safer place to live.
Killing this man only offers the idea that inmates cannot harm society anymore, that is until another inmate in the system harms society just as this man did. If we execute him, then we get the idea that inmates cannot harm society again, and we’ll continue in a large circle losing countless lives in the progress.
How many innocents lives are worth doing nothing? That is what we are doing.
Problem: People in prison still killing people outside of prison.
Result: Death
Problem: Making a prison system where inmates can’t harm society.
Result: A better and safer place to live.
Alright, I’ll break it down… I assumed that you’d get it if you read it in the contect of the post, but I was wrong
Killing this man only offers the idea that inmates cannot harm society anymore, that is until another inmate in the system harms society just as this man did. If we execute him, then we get the idea that inmates cannot harm society again, and we’ll continue in a large circle losing countless lives in the progress.
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vern_humphrey
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When are you going to accomplish this?
I say “you” because no corrections officer I know believes it is possible. To accomplish it, we need to assign the responsibility to someone who believes it can be done.
And saying things like “Making a prison system where inmates can’t harm society” when you aren’t prepared to do anything to make that happen only offers the idea that inmates cannot harm society anymore, that is until another inmate in the system harms society just as this man did.
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CatholicCid
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vern humphrey:
Though I must still ask why you believe we have jails? If they are not here to protect society from dangerous people then what use are they?
They fail in protecting dangerous people from society as we end up executing them anyway.
Now, I’ll go back striving for perfection… Sure, I may never reach that goal, but I’ll never know if I don’t try.
Well, as they say, The Children Our The Future… And I hope my generation is more optomistic then this current one, otherwise we’ll accomplish nothing.
Though I must still ask why you believe we have jails? If they are not here to protect society from dangerous people then what use are they?
They fail in protecting dangerous people from society as we end up executing them anyway.
Now, I’ll go back striving for perfection… Sure, I may never reach that goal, but I’ll never know if I don’t try.
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siamesecat
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What I thought was weird is that in the article it says he had recently suffered a heart attack and asked if another attack occured not to be resucitated because he’d rather die that way. The prison refused, and to quote their spokesperson or whomever, “We would never disrespect the sanctity of life.” Uh…hello? This is death row and you’re killing the guy in 2 weeks. 
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Libero
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Most probably because he did it previously when he was in good health, I doubt that he still has the capacity to do what he did. Further more, if there is an alternative to the death penalty, but it is not used because of ease or the government are not very good at using it, then that does not justify the death penalty.
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vern_humphrey
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Why do we have parachutes and life jackets?
All too often they do. I did a study on murderers about a decade ago and found that about 2/3s of all murderers were “known to the police” – that is, they had committed crimes, or been the subjects of complaints to police prior to committing murder.
The problem is, you’re putting other people’s lives at risk.
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CatholicCid
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vern humphrey:
How is my thought (fixing the prison system) harming other people’s lives?
Well, I’ll admit, now I am
How is my thought (fixing the prison system) harming other people’s lives?
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vern_humphrey
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Because you aren’t fixing the prison system. But you are opposing the only alternative we have for some of the most vicious inmates.Well, I’ll admit, now I am
How is my thought (fixing the prison system) harming other people’s lives?
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CatholicCid
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vern humphrey:
Once a prisoner is entrusted to the prison system, they are removed from society and can no longer harm anyone.
Should we then continue to execute prisoners for their crimes knowing that they will not be able to do any harm in prison.?
Though, I still don’t see how leaving the system how it is now is not harming others… I can count at least 4 people it has harmed in this one case.
Am I against the death penalty 100%? No. In cases where society cannot be protected from the criminal, I feel it is justified.
But, in these days in the US with all the technology and resources, I feel we fail in protecting society/ourselves from these criminals by allowing them in a system that is supposed to protect us and does not. And we then leave that system as is.
Alright, since we can’t dream, I’ll pose the hypothetical:
Once a prisoner is entrusted to the prison system, they are removed from society and can no longer harm anyone.
Should we then continue to execute prisoners for their crimes knowing that they will not be able to do any harm in prison.?
Though, I still don’t see how leaving the system how it is now is not harming others… I can count at least 4 people it has harmed in this one case.
Am I against the death penalty 100%? No. In cases where society cannot be protected from the criminal, I feel it is justified.
But, in these days in the US with all the technology and resources, I feel we fail in protecting society/ourselves from these criminals by allowing them in a system that is supposed to protect us and does not. And we then leave that system as is.
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vern_humphrey
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You can dream all you want – as long as you realize a dream isn’t reality, and that when you try to impose your dream on reality, you put other people’s lives at risk.
The very case under discussion proves that to be wrong. Prisoners can and do kill while in prison.
Since we don’t know they will not be able to do any harm in prison - because there are many cases of prisoners killing fellow prisoners, corrections officers, and ordering the killing of people on the outside, we need a penalty over and above life in prison.
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When do you plan to fix the system?
When do you plan to fix the system?
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CatholicCid
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And hence, the real problem with the current leading generation.
Come on 20 yrs from now
Come on 20 yrs from now
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CatholicCid
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Well, I can see how the current generation let such problems arise… I hope we learn from their mistakes next time around.
Anyway, I’ll attempt to fix it once I’m old enough… What I offered was a hypothetical situation… If you wish, add “In the distant future after you’ve passed away, Once a…”
In the end, is the prison system perfect? No.
Should we aim to make it perfect? Yes.
Can we ever reach perfect? No.
Why aim for it? So we can get it as close to perfect as it can ever be.
Should we leave the system as is? No.
Any reason for that? I can show you 4 bodies that show how it failed.
Should someone who we are unable to control be sentenced to death for the safety of society? Yes.
Should a system that cannot provide adequate protection be used? No, we should improve it asap.
Is a systems failure allowing 1 man to commit murder punishable by death? Apparently, but the system should take responsibility for it as well.
Anyway, I’ll attempt to fix it once I’m old enough… What I offered was a hypothetical situation… If you wish, add “In the distant future after you’ve passed away, Once a…”
In the end, is the prison system perfect? No.
Should we aim to make it perfect? Yes.
Can we ever reach perfect? No.
Why aim for it? So we can get it as close to perfect as it can ever be.
Should we leave the system as is? No.
Any reason for that? I can show you 4 bodies that show how it failed.
Should someone who we are unable to control be sentenced to death for the safety of society? Yes.
Should a system that cannot provide adequate protection be used? No, we should improve it asap.
Is a systems failure allowing 1 man to commit murder punishable by death? Apparently, but the system should take responsibility for it as well.
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vern_humphrey
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There’s no such thing as a hypothetical death. Real people die real deaths.
So when do you plan to fix the prison system?
Mostly because people sat on their thumbs and said, “Ooooo, don’t execute anyone! But don’t expect me to produce a workable alternative.”
So when do you plan to fix the prison system?
So when do you plan to fix the prison system?
The system" can’t take responsibility. Only human beings can take responsibility.
So when do you plan to fix the prison system?
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CatholicCid
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Jeez, for an adult, you remind me of many of my friends.
I’ll PM you my PayPal Information and you may wire me $80,000+ so I can continue with my education.
From there I will fix the system.
Sound good?
If not, please stop responding with “When are you gonna do this or that” as you sound like a child. This is an internet forum… I’m asking a question in response to yours and if you don’t want to answer, feel fine to do so.
I’ll PM you my PayPal Information and you may wire me $80,000+ so I can continue with my education.
From there I will fix the system.
Sound good?
If not, please stop responding with “When are you gonna do this or that” as you sound like a child. This is an internet forum… I’m asking a question in response to yours and if you don’t want to answer, feel fine to do so.
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vern_humphrey
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And for a child, you remind me of a child. You expect everyone to do the work.
Since you didn’t pay for my education, I’m not obliged to pay for yours. Work you own way through college, like the rest of us did.
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CatholicCid
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That is what I am actually doing… So, once I finish my education, feel free to ask me to go ahead and make changes as I plan to attempt.
I’m sorry to say I cannot go out and make changes right away… I sure wish I could… But that’s not how things get done in our society.
So, in response to your repeated question of “When are you gonna fix it?”
Well, I am right now. I am currently working on furthering my education, which is the first step for me to fix the system.
I am not sitting here twiddling my thumbs and saying “We can’t fix it” and watching people die. I am working towards the future and hopefully a way to fix what is broken.
I’m sorry to say I cannot go out and make changes right away… I sure wish I could… But that’s not how things get done in our society.
So, in response to your repeated question of “When are you gonna fix it?”
Well, I am right now. I am currently working on furthering my education, which is the first step for me to fix the system.
I am not sitting here twiddling my thumbs and saying “We can’t fix it” and watching people die. I am working towards the future and hopefully a way to fix what is broken.
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vern_humphrey
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Then maybe you should wait until you finish school and have a little real-world experience under your belt before you start criticizing how the world is run.
Again, withhold your criticisms until you have a little real-world experiecne.
Yes, you are sitting there twiddling your thumbs. When you have served a few years as a corrections officer you will have earned the right to enlighten others with your expertise and accomplishments.
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pira114
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In California, the prison system’s mission is not rehabilitation. It is detention. They are charged with protecting society from these criminals. Obviously, the system failed.
It’s not hard to kill from your cell. All you need is someone to do what you want. He never killed anyone himself from his cell. He ordered it. He planned it. He could easily do that again.
Half the reason why prisons are so dangerous is because of all the lawsuits on behalf of prisoners rights. Did you know that prisoners run the daily operations in prisons? No one would want to pay the extra taxes it would require to staff enough officers and civilians it would require to not have prisoners running the prison.
It’s hard for people not in the profession to understand, but a prison is like a little city. Or a large one in some cases. You can be a plumber, go to prison, and you will be in high demand as a prison plumber. Of course, all these “trustees” have a lot of access to other prisoners, tools, drugs, weapons, you name it. I know several convicts who prefer life in prison because they are so adapted to it. They like the power they have in prison. The prisoners even do most of the paperwork! With access to confidential information.
There is a way to make prisoners unable to commit crimes outside the prison walls. Take away all their rights. Every one of them. But then you will be called a Nazi or something similar.
I hear a lot of people whine about how bad our prison system is, then complain at how much it costs to run. Then they complain that the prisoners have too much. Then they complain that we mistreat the poor, poor, rapist or drug dealer.
You want fewer prisons? You want lower populations in prisons? You want much safer streets and cities for our children? There is a way, but you’re not ready for it. You or your children will be someday, but it has to get much, much worse for society to finally say “I’ve had enough, I don’t want to be a victim anymore!”
It’s not hard to kill from your cell. All you need is someone to do what you want. He never killed anyone himself from his cell. He ordered it. He planned it. He could easily do that again.
Half the reason why prisons are so dangerous is because of all the lawsuits on behalf of prisoners rights. Did you know that prisoners run the daily operations in prisons? No one would want to pay the extra taxes it would require to staff enough officers and civilians it would require to not have prisoners running the prison.
It’s hard for people not in the profession to understand, but a prison is like a little city. Or a large one in some cases. You can be a plumber, go to prison, and you will be in high demand as a prison plumber. Of course, all these “trustees” have a lot of access to other prisoners, tools, drugs, weapons, you name it. I know several convicts who prefer life in prison because they are so adapted to it. They like the power they have in prison. The prisoners even do most of the paperwork! With access to confidential information.
There is a way to make prisoners unable to commit crimes outside the prison walls. Take away all their rights. Every one of them. But then you will be called a Nazi or something similar.
I hear a lot of people whine about how bad our prison system is, then complain at how much it costs to run. Then they complain that the prisoners have too much. Then they complain that we mistreat the poor, poor, rapist or drug dealer.
You want fewer prisons? You want lower populations in prisons? You want much safer streets and cities for our children? There is a way, but you’re not ready for it. You or your children will be someday, but it has to get much, much worse for society to finally say “I’ve had enough, I don’t want to be a victim anymore!”
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