9-Mar-11 - 600 ANGLICANS PREPARE TO ENTER ORDINARIATE [EWTN]

[BernadetteM]

I am patiently waiting for an Anglican Use parish to come to my area. I have attended mass at a Anglican Catholic Church (high church very conservative) and I really liked it.

If I may ask, where do you live? There are several parishes coming into the Ordinariate in different states. You mentioned that there is one 3 hours from your home. This is very early to know how many more parishes will join. There are small groups of Anglicans now coming together and if they are large enough will probably petition to be part of the Ordinariate. If you know of Anglicans who are interested and can get a group together close to where you live, then there is a good possibility of forming a potential parish/ mission.

We in California seem to be having more of a problem gathering groups. However I believe that unless an Anglican/TEC member has been informed of the Ordinariate, most have been kept in the dark by their priests. It is not widely published in California. Hopefully once the Ordinariate is established there will be some type of advertisement put out in the major paper and some local papers to inform others of this offer from Rome.

God Bless

Bernadette

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

This is very interesting and exciting to learn about these conversions.

I wonder if Cardinal John Henry Newman was influential to these converts when the Catholic Church raised him to the status of blessed on the way to sainthood?

These married priests converts, may open new doors for other non catholic married clergy to enter into ministry within Catholicism upon the laity due to the shortage of Catholic priests. Maybe even a new order of married priests within the Latin Rite?

There is alot of untapped pontential that can arise from these circumstances. We are just beginning to see how God is calling the workers in for an abundant crop to harvest.

It reminds me of the parable Jesus teaches, when the owner of the field, paid all the workers of vineyard the same wage, no matter how late they started in the day.

Peace be with you, and my prayers go out to all those considering Catholicism, may God grant you courage to say yes.

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

I would like to ask my fellow Episcopalians how many Episcopal priests they personally know who were once Roman Catholic. I can think of two in my diocese, at least.

The road between Rome and Canterbury travels in both directions.

So .0008% of all Anglicans is people jumping from a sinking ship? I will never understand the general ill will that many Catholic members of this forum have towards Anglicanism. This thread is just par for the course. How about you keep comments to how great it is to have some converts not how badly off the Anglican Communion is? People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

 

[JohnnyReb]

I would like to ask my fellow Episcopalians how many Episcopal priests they personally know who were once Roman Catholic. I can think of two in my diocese, at least.

The road between Rome and Canterbury travels in both directions.

Indeed it does. Having attended an Episcopal parish, and at my current AM parish, there were and are people who used to be Catholic in each and truly have no desire to return to the CC, at least for now.

 

[nhylan]

I would like to ask my fellow Episcopalians how many Episcopal priests they personally know who were once Roman Catholic. I can think of two in my diocese, at least.

The road between Rome and Canterbury travels in both directions.

Ive just started the process to be conformed into Anglicanism. Of the 11 adults getting received 8 of them are former Roman Catholics. Our current priest trained as a Catholic priest but wasn’t ordained as one. I’m in the diocese of Massachusetts and there are many many converts from Roman Catholicism. My Bishop recently reported that 60% of all parish’s have experienced growth and it is largely due to an influx Roman Catholics.

 

[paperwight66]

Catholics in the UK are treated like dirt - not by anglicans, I hasten to add.

In what way? I’ve never experienced being treated like dirt.

 

[nablaise]

Numbers are very encouraging when we consider how many people are having their eyes opened to the truth. In this sense we should rejoice first because they are coming to the fullness of life, second because they are many.

Those who depart from the Catholic unity, it is sad when they are many. They go where things are easy and abandon the cross and the narrow way. It is not conversion but falling away. This may sound uncharitable to Anglicans, but again this is where the greatest misunderstanding reside: what is charity? charitable? hurt feeling?

Love and truth go hand in hand. Truth hurts but it also set free. Those Anglicans who are converting are going through serious pain, not the pain claimed here when people claim uncharity. John the Baptist was apparently ‘uncharitable’ to the ladies who got his head on a plater. Similarly the Pope was ‘uncharitable’ with the King of England when he refused to declare his valid marriage invalid. When we love people we have to tell the truth even when it is not comfortable. Preferring truth to feelings is what separates the Church of England from Catholicism, and it is this same preference which is splitting apart the Anglican Communion. Read John 1: everything hold together in the Truth not in feelings.

So I admire those who are undergoing real and serious pain for the love of truth as they walk their way to the Ordinariates. Some where Bishops but are accepting to be simply priests. Priests are loosing high salaries and benefits. Others are loosing long time friendships. They are great inspiration to me especially during this time of Lent. Converts to Catholicism are always great help for me. When I follow their trail, my own heart gets to be restored wherever it was bent in wrong directions and blind spots.

 

[Aramis]

This is what they call the first wave coming into the Church. I believe in the beginning there will be around 20 priests.

I read a website where some woman who I suppose holds some high rank in the CoE state that "well we have had 14 priests from the Catholic Church come over to the CoE since 2005. It was like there is a competition between the CoE and the Catholic Church.

I don’t know why any Catholic priest would want to join the CoE, with all the problems they are having regarding women Bishops and now saying they might accept anyone who isn’t baptized to receive communion. My guess is the priests want to get married or for other personal reasons. If they don’t accept the Catholic faith then fine, don’t let the door hit them on the way out.

She also said a million CoE folks attend services, I wonder if that can be verifed, from what I have read England is very secular, much more so than the US.

We will get the cream of the crop in priests and who knows what they will get.

Sorry if this sounds uncharitable, but reading one of the English Catholic blogs tells one what type of people post and say terrible things about Catholics and the Church.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

The typical defector to the Anglican Churches is similar in story to Fr. Cutie. Ordained Catholic, falls for a woman, leaves the church to be with her, misses ministry, defects to the Anglicans because he needs little to no retraining to function there, and they might even accept his extant ordinations, and still let him marry the woman.

 

[BernadetteM]

Numbers are very encouraging when we consider how many people are having their eyes opened to the truth. In this sense we should rejoice first because they are coming to the fullness of life, second because they are many.

Those who depart from the Catholic unity, it is sad when they are many. They go where things are easy and abandon the cross and the narrow way. It is not conversion but falling away. This may sound uncharitable to Anglicans, but again this is where the greatest misunderstanding reside: what is charity? charitable? hurt feeling?

Love and truth go hand in hand. Truth hurts but it also set free. Those Anglicans who are converting are going through serious pain, not the pain claimed here when people claim uncharity. John the Baptist was apparently ‘uncharitable’ to the ladies who got his head on a plater. Similarly the Pope was ‘uncharitable’ with the King of England when he refused to declare his valid marriage invalid. When we love people we have to tell the truth even when it is not comfortable. Preferring truth to feelings is what separates the Church of England from Catholicism, and it is this same preference which is splitting apart the Anglican Communion. Read John 1: everything hold together in the Truth not in feelings.

So I admire those who are undergoing real and serious pain for the love of truth as they walk their way to the Ordinariates. Some where Bishops but are accepting to be simply priests. Priests are loosing high salaries and benefits. Others are loosing long time friendships. They are great inspiration to me especially during this time of Lent. Converts to Catholicism are always great help for me. When I follow their trail, my own heart gets to be restored wherever it was bent in wrong directions and blind spots.

What you say is so true. Yes being an Anglican can be very easy. I say this as a former Episcopalian. When it comes to the moral issues, this is what I see as Catholics wanting a church that accepts divorce and does not generally speak out about the moral decay in today’s world.

It seems that in several posts (not always on CAF) there is this apparent competition felt by Anglicans to say “look at all the Catholics and priests who have left and become one of us”. So many Catholics don’t know their faith and what they are losing. Some were never Catholic in the true sense of believing the doctrines.

It is much easier for a Catholic to join another church than for a protestant to become Catholic. As you said it is a narrow way. The Anglicans leaving, some who have been so for 60 years and hold the title of Bishop is indeed a walk of faith.

I would hope that this does not become a tit for tat issue. I haven’t seen posts from Catholics showing this type of attitude. Yes many are happy that Anglicans are coming home, however I don’t recall any saying with pride how we have more coming into the church than you do.

We must all live with the consequences of our decisions and unless they are made from the heart and soul that God’s truth is in another church, then they are fooling themselves.

There are uncharitable people on both sides of the Tiber and Christians of any church need to show more charity for others.

One might say the Catholics believe that their Church is the True Church and that this is uncharitable, but if one believes that the Lord created His Church to be One, then these statements are not being unkind, just the truth as they see it.

At least in my experience as a former Anglo Catholic I have seen both sides of the issue. If one leaves the Church then I wish them well and that they have found that their choice has been made for the right reasons.

God Bless

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

I am very gratified to read this.

Ive just started the process to be conformed into Anglicanism. Of the 11 adults getting received 8 of them are former Roman Catholics. Our current priest trained as a Catholic priest but wasn’t ordained as one. I’m in the diocese of Massachusetts and there are many many converts from Roman Catholicism. My Bishop recently reported that 60% of all parish’s have experienced growth and it is largely due to an influx Roman Catholics.

 

[JohnnyReb]

What you say is so true. Yes being an Anglican can be very easy. I say this as a former Episcopalian. When it comes to the moral issues, this is what I see as Catholics wanting a church that accepts divorce and does not generally speak out about the moral decay in today’s world.

Sorry I have to disagree. Being a Christian is never easy, regardless of affilation. Following the Gospel is counter cultural in America. Humans all face temptation to compromise the truth because we are limited and fallen by nature. As my priest says so often (which may become my signature soon) The courage to follow Jesus comes from the fact that it is Jesus you are following.

It seems that in several posts (not always on CAF) there is this apparent competition felt by Anglicans to say “look at all the Catholics and priests who have left and become one of us”. So many Catholics don’t know their faith and what they are losing. Some were never Catholic in the true sense of believing the doctrines.

To me, no matter which way someone goes, Catholic to Anglican and vice versa, they have their reasons. It makes no difference to me and my faith, because at the end of the day, my faith is in Christ, and I follow him the best I know how based on the understanding I have. I pray that the Holy Spirit is able to show me that way and I am open to his guidence.

It is much easier for a Catholic to join another church than for a protestant to become Catholic. As you said it is a narrow way. The Anglicans leaving, some who have been so for 60 years and hold the title of Bishop is indeed a walk of faith.

I would hope that this does not become a tit for tat issue. I haven’t seen posts from Catholics showing this type of attitude. Yes many are happy that Anglicans are coming home, however I don’t recall any saying with pride how we have more coming into the church than you do.

I agree, its just sometimes Anglicans here get irritated by what they see as a triumphalist attitude that some Catholics have towards them. This is a Catholic forum, however, and we need to understand that we are guests here.

We must all live with the consequences of our decisions and unless they are made from the heart and soul that God’s truth is in another church, then they are fooling themselves.

There are uncharitable people on both sides of the Tiber and Christians of any church need to show more charity for others.

One might say the Catholics believe that their Church is the True Church and that this is uncharitable, but if one believes that the Lord created His Church to be One, then these statements are not being unkind, just the truth as they see it.

Totally agree. I have no problem with that. But sometimes people need to know that non Catholics do not see it that way, sometimes even after investigating the issues carefully.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

You’re right, Johnny. Anglicanism or Catholicism can be “easy” for parishoners that don’t take it seriously. Anglicanism calls the faithful to Lent and to challenge themselves to not only declare Christ as Lord but to live a moral life. The Gospel is the same. The devotion to the Eucharist and the attempt to receive it worthily is there, the love of Christ is there in spades. Catholics do ask more of parishoners with things like NFP and marriage tribunals, etc. but there are Catholics that ignore the tribunals and remarry. Most Catholics use birth control as well. Many cohabitate and blatantly ignore Church teachings. There are Anglicans of such stripes as well. If we take our religions seriously then all branches of Christendom, Judaism, Islam, and all world religions for that matter are ideally “hard.” Anglicanism and Catholicism can be followed with an open and sincere heart or a lazy one just wanting some bells and whistles.

I for one don’t like the “Catholic lite” moniker. It’s insulting to Anglicans who care about their faith.

Sorry I have to disagree. Being a Christian is never easy, regardless of affilation. Following the Gospel is counter cultural in America. Humans all face temptation to compromise the truth because we are limited and fallen by nature. As my priest says so often (which may become my signature soon) The courage to follow Jesus comes from the fact that it is Jesus you are following.

To me, no matter which way someone goes, Catholic to Anglican and vice versa, they have their reasons. It makes no difference to me and my faith, because at the end of the day, my faith is in Christ, and I follow him the best I know how based on the understanding I have. I pray that the Holy Spirit is able to show me that way and I am open to his guidence.

I agree, its just sometimes Anglicans here get irritated by what they see as a triumphalist attitude that some Catholics have towards them. This is a Catholic forum, however, and we need to understand that we are guests here.

Totally agree. I have no problem with that. But sometimes people need to know that non Catholics do not see it that way, sometimes even after investigating the issues carefully.

 

[MarkBrown]

I know that the bishops were undergoing processes towards the priesthood. Others will, too. How many will get ordinariates is uncertain, but it will be relatively few. Many will be recruited into latin rite dioceses. There they will have a very different experience than they have had as Anglican clergymen. In the UK, RC clergy are paid much less than the Anglican clergy. This will involve men with families to support.

Those Anglican priests who convert but don’t become priests, will have the current job market to face. They are men who are, for the most part, middle-aged. Those who become RC priests in latin rite dioceses in the US will become very busy in very large parishes, also having a very different experience than in their former Episcopal parishes.

. Members of the ACNA are more than halfway to Rome, so it isn’t surprising that a few converted. Blogs are also notoriously unreliable as a vehicle for estimating numbers. Kansas is a very conservative state-not surprising there are 50 priests talking about the ordinariate there.

Most Anglican priests that convert and become RC priests in the US, aren’t going to be anywhere an ordinariate, except possibly to attend mass there.

Anyone converting who has second thoughts will probably be welcomed back into the Anglican Communion, but probably not into the priesthood. The AC has plenty of priests who are happy there.

The CAF is inclined to triumphalism. But the Catholic Church has plenty of its own problems. The Philadelphia archdiocese, the fifth largest in the US, is experiencing the action of the Holy Spirit right now, in the person of its cardinal. Twenty-one priests have been suspended from active ministry, pending investigation for abuse charges. This in a diocese which has closed forty schools in recent years.

I know of 6 bishops, 1 Archbishop in the States converting. None are promised an Ordinariate or even ordination. First only one Ordinariate per country at first. And of the names being floated or hoped for in the States for the Ordinary, none of the converting Bishops are on the lists I have heard. That is the beauty of what these Bishops are doing. Sacrifice for the Truth. Former RC’s who are now serving as clergy, when they revert back will be laity. they know it and accept it. Still they are coming.

I have already addressed the pay issue. It only seems to be an issue with some Catholics but not the Anglican Clergy. Pay is a non-issue for the AU Clergy. Just re-read my prior for the answers and the Norms of the Constitution on the guidance from Rome.

There are two paths for Anglican Clergy to Rome. The pastoral provision and the Ordinariate. The PP leads to work as a Latin Rite priest. So your predictions can or may ring true for them. The Ordinariate is a seperate path. As a AU priest, God willing, I will belong to my AU Ordinary. I can be loaned to the Latin Diocese or not. Regardless I will be expected to work to establish an AU parish. I will assist the local Diocese and work with them in positions such as chaplain etc.

ACNA halfway to Rome News to the ACNA. I was ACNA. The ACNA is very PROTESTANT with a capital P. The Anglo-catholic diocese Gurney at times attends…most of the candidates for Bishop are not Anglo-Catholic. Anglican news sources are commenting on the disappearing Anglo-catholics within the ACNA. We were a tolerated minority. Sources in Bishop Iker’s Diocese (very Anglo-catholic) describe a move away from AC.

Information on the numbers are from Anglican and Catholic new sources, not someone’s blog.

Does the Catholic Church have problems? yep. Your point being what?

Mark

 

[MarkBrown]

This is very interesting and exciting to learn about these conversions.

I wonder if Cardinal John Henry Newman was influential to these converts when the Catholic Church raised him to the status of blessed on the way to sainthood?

These married priests converts, may open new doors for other non catholic married clergy to enter into ministry within Catholicism upon the laity due to the shortage of Catholic priests. Maybe even a new order of married priests within the Latin Rite?

There is alot of untapped pontential that can arise from these circumstances. We are just beginning to see how God is calling the workers in for an abundant crop to harvest.

It reminds me of the parable Jesus teaches, when the owner of the field, paid all the workers of vineyard the same wage, no matter how late they started in the day.

Peace be with you, and my prayers go out to all those considering Catholicism, may God grant you courage to say yes.

Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman was influential long before the Church raised his status. The Church’s action just confirmed what we Anglo-Catholics already believed.

Thank you for your prayers.

Mark

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The only thing I’d say is San Joaquin is not Anglo-Catholic but more broad church. Schofield himself isn’t even Anglo-Catholic. He has a huge charismatic evangelical side to him that woud knock your socks off. He frequently worships and visits this evangelical mega church in Fresno that is so un-Catholic you can’t imagine. Schofield talks about speaking in tongues and he is tough to figure out. Just when you see him acting like an Anglo-Catholic you see him appear to be a Baptist. Most parishes in this diocese are fairly evangelical. My rector was something of an iconoclast. Having him do Stations of the Cross was even surprising. He and I debated a lot about images. He’s a 39 Articles kinda guy. Most here are. They just like a “mildly” Catholic style liturgy. I would say Iker’s Forth Worth Diocese is more uniformly Anglo-Catholic. Pretty much the last bastion of it in the ACNA. I give ACNA five or six years until it implodes from all the disharmony and the ultimate x-factor nuclear bomb topic—women’s ordination.

I know of 6 bishops, 1 Archbishop in the States converting. None are promised an Ordinariate or even ordination. First only one Ordinariate per country at first. And of the names being floated or hoped for in the States for the Ordinary, none of the converting Bishops are on the lists I have heard. That is the beauty of what these Bishops are doing. Sacrifice for the Truth. Former RC’s who are now serving as clergy, when they revert back will be laity. they know it and accept it. Still they are coming.

I have already addressed the pay issue. It only seems to be an issue with some Catholics but not the Anglican Clergy. Pay is a non-issue for the AU Clergy. Just re-read my prior for the answers and the Norms of the Constitution on the guidance from Rome.

There are two paths for Anglican Clergy to Rome. The pastoral provision and the Ordinariate. The PP leads to work as a Latin Rite priest. So your predictions can or may ring true for them. The Ordinariate is a seperate path. As a AU priest, God willing, I will belong to my AU Ordinary. I can be loaned to the Latin Diocese or not. Regardless I will be expected to work to establish an AU parish. I will assist the local Diocese and work with them in positions such as chaplain etc.

ACNA halfway to Rome News to the ACNA. I was ACNA. The ACNA is very PROTESTANT with a capital P. The Anglo-catholic diocese Gurney at times attends…most of the candidates for Bishop are not Anglo-Catholic. Anglican news sources are commenting on the disappearing Anglo-catholics within the ACNA. We were a tolerated minority. Sources in Bishop Iker’s Diocese (very Anglo-catholic) describe a move away from AC.

Information on the numbers are from Anglican and Catholic new sources, not someone’s blog.

Does the Catholic Church have problems? yep. Your point being what?

Mark

 

[bigquests]

The only thing I’d say is San Joaquin is not Anglo-Catholic but more broad church. Schofield himself isn’t even Anglo-Catholic. He has a huge charismatic evangelical side to him that woud knock your socks off. He frequently worships and visits this evangelical mega church in Fresno that is so un-Catholic you can’t imagine. Schofield talks about speaking in tongues and he is tough to figure out. Just when you see him acting like an Anglo-Catholic you see him appear to be a Baptist. Most parishes in this diocese are fairly evangelical. My rector was something of an iconoclast. Having him do Stations of the Cross was even surprising. He and I debated a lot about images. He’s a 39 Articles kinda guy. Most here are. They just like a “mildly” Catholic style liturgy. I would say Iker’s Forth Worth Diocese is more uniformly Anglo-Catholic. Pretty much the last bastion of it in the ACNA. I give ACNA five or six years until it implodes from all the disharmony and the ultimate x-factor nuclear bomb topic—women’s ordination.

First of all, welcome back. I am glad somebody changed his mind.

It will take a long time for things to shake out with the ordinariate but I predict that many of the converts, both lay and clergy, especially those who become RC clergy, are going to be disappointed. Few of the newly converted RC clergy will be able to function within the ordinariates. The others will have to function within Latin rite dioceses, maybe as chaplains, etc., but I think that they will be recruited as diocesan priests, in view of the ongoing shortage, which shows no signs of abating. This may be very difficult for some who are used to being an Anglican priest. Laypeople in the US are going to have a hard time finding Anglican rite RC churches. There will be a few, of course, here and there. Again, their experience as RC laypersons may be quite different from their experience as Episcopal laypersons. I predict that some, both clergy and lay, will become and remain fervent RC’s, some will be discontented but remain observant, some will become lukewarm and minimally compliant or fall away completely, but remain RC in name only, some will revert to Anglo-Catholicism, some will revert to the AC in a more or less standard form.

 

[BernadetteM]

Former Anglican priests might be used within the diocese, however they will still be Ordinariate priests.

From what I have seen going on in England, it seems that more and more lay members are joining. I expect in time that the same will happen here. I know several of AU priests and they have adjusted very well in spite of some dioceses who are not as friendly as others.

Time will tell how it all works out. It seems that some local Bishops might treat the Ordinariates with the same attitude that some treat the Eastern Rite Churches.

I am sure that at least in the US most of the priests coming in have spoken to one of the major AU priests and he has advised them on what to expect.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Some that I have spoken with are shell-shocked at the differences they’re seeing when they go to Catholic parishes. “Nobody sings?” I hear a lot. Abuses from priests with the Mass and lax disciplines with altar servers, poor homilies, disappointment with the verbage of the Mass, and a host of things they didn’t see coming. The seminaries are loaded with liberation theology liberals and seminarians who are in favor of women’s ordination, pro-choice, etc. I hear this from folks in the seminaries. It’s scary. I think some Anglicans are feeling like they’re leaving the Spongs behind bound for a new undiscovered country that contains Cardinal Mohoneys. It’s like The Who song: come meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

The Catholic Church has some serious issues that are painful—priestly sex scandals that don’t seem to want to go away, a massive priestly shortage, financial issues, attendance that is mostly thanks to hispanics from Mexico, etc., and a large portion of Catholics are poorly-catechized. The Catholic university system is marred with unorthodox thinking–especially insitutions like Georgetown and Notre Dame, and Anglicans coming into the Catholic Church expect things to be so conservative, orderly, unified, uniform, and I’m sure seeing a lot of things will be a wake up call after the honeymoon is over. Satan is after ALL Christians, Anglicans and Catholics alike…

First of all, welcome back. I am glad somebody changed his mind.

It will take a long time for things to shake out with the ordinariate but I predict that many of the converts, both lay and clergy, especially those who become RC clergy, are going to be disappointed. Few of the newly converted RC clergy will be able to function within the ordinariates. The others will have to function within Latin rite dioceses, maybe as chaplains, etc., but I think that they will be recruited as diocesan priests, in view of the ongoing shortage, which shows no signs of abating. This may be very difficult for some who are used to being an Anglican priest. Laypeople in the US are going to have a hard time finding Anglican rite RC churches. There will be a few, of course, here and there. Again, their experience as RC laypersons may be quite different from their experience as Episcopal laypersons. I predict that some, both clergy and lay, will become and remain fervent RC’s, some will be discontented but remain observant, some will become lukewarm and minimally compliant or fall away completely, but remain RC in name only, some will revert to Anglo-Catholicism, some will revert to the AC in a more or less standard form.

 

[Aramis]

Former Anglican priests might be used within the diocese, however they will still be Ordinariate priests.

From what I have seen going on in England, it seems that more and more lay members are joining. I expect in time that the same will happen here. I know several of AU priests and they have adjusted very well in spite of some dioceses who are not as friendly as others.

Time will tell how it all works out. It seems that some local Bishops might treat the Ordinariates with the same attitude that some treat the Eastern Rite Churches.

I am sure that at least in the US most of the priests coming in have spoken to one of the major AU priests and he has advised them on what to expect.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

Which said, the treatment of the ECC’s in the modern world ranges from “OOH, NEAT!!! Let’s grant the local EC parish Roman Personal Parish status as well!” through “Rome says you are not my problem, so don’t be my problem.”

Most bishops are well aware of the existence of the ECC’s, and stay out of the way. The Ordinariate, because its priests can serve as relief Roman clergy without significant additional training. It’s the same Rite, a slightly different use, and the rest of the liturgical praxis varies far more than the mass itself. In a pinch, an Anglican Ordinariate priest could use the Anglican missal in a Roman Parish and only cause issue for a few hard-headed hardliners. A significant number would note something was different, but not what.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Interesting appraisal, Aramis.

Which said, the treatment of the ECC’s in the modern world ranges from “OOH, NEAT!!! Let’s grant the local EC parish Roman Personal Parish status as well!” through “Rome says you are not my problem, so don’t be my problem.”

Most bishops are well aware of the existence of the ECC’s, and stay out of the way. The Ordinariate, because its priests can serve as relief Roman clergy without significant additional training. It’s the same Rite, a slightly different use, and the rest of the liturgical praxis varies far more than the mass itself. In a pinch, an Anglican Ordinariate priest could use the Anglican missal in a Roman Parish and only cause issue for a few hard-headed hardliners. A significant number would note something was different, but not what.