99 names of Allah

[Steven_John]

The very purpose of islam is to reject the Sonship of Jesus.

I doubt that statement.

Jews were already believing in G-d and rejecting the sonship.

Why would Islam begin in an area where people served 360 gods who’s leader had daughters?

To put my self out on a limb, i would guess maybe the author of this statment takes offence to Islam rejecting the sonship and cant see clearly

 

[Martha_Karim]

Ahlan, Martha. Nice to see more Maronites here. I have great respect for your church and its holy men and women. I hope you enjoy your time here on CAF.

Related content that some of you might find interesting, re: words for snow, from Geoffrey K. Pullum, linguist and author of “The Great Eskimo Vocabulary Hoax” (really fun reading if you can find it): Clarification on words for snow in native languages of “Eskimos”, etc.

Pick a number, anyyyy number…

Thank you ,

 

[Mosacked]

I doubt that statement.

Jews were already believing in G-d and rejecting the sonship.

Why would Islam begin in an area where people served 360 gods who’s leader had daughters?

To put my self out on a limb, i would guess maybe the author of this statment takes offence to Islam rejecting the sonship and cant see clearly

Prepare to lose that limb.

Firstly, saying Jews reject the son-ship is a blatant lie. Many Jews believed in Jesus even during Jesus’ time. One can read these in the Bible.

Secondly, if you don’t believe your mother cooked for you today, does that mean you’re not her son? YET…certainly, the person who tells you that your mother did not cook for you when she did is the false accuser and blatant liar.

A man who sacrifices himself to save his son’s life who was unconscious during the incident does not call his own son the anti-father just because the son in error believes the liar who tells him that the father did not save him by sacrificing himself. Instead the father declares very clearly, that ANYONE who denies that he had came to sacrifice himself to save his son is his enemy.

If you don’t know this yet, the Jews were the reason why Jesus came. Jesus Himself said Salvation is from the Jews. Anyone who read biblical scripture knows this for a fact. Now, if the Jews reject Jesus (as what Jesus said, a prophet is not even welcomed in his own hometown), that certainly does not make the Jews Anti-Christ. It just means some Jews do not believe Jesus is the one God had promised them.

Again, the verse in 1 John 2:22 clearly refers to a religious effort that rejects the deity of Christ. The Anti-Christ is islam.

You have been deluded.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[Steven_John]

Prepare to lose that limb…

may i start by asking your religion and does it teach you this attitude toward people?

Firstly, saying Jews reject the son-ship is a blatant lie.

blatant, (overly loud or offensively conspicuous) lie ( A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood) dont know what of my words lead you to this conclusion, I had thought the Jews lead by their authority rejected Yeshua (pbwh) and were still waiting for the messiah.
Yes i know in Christian belief Yeshua (pbwh) was sent to Israel.

Many Jews believed in Jesus even during Jesus’ time. One can read these in the Bible.

Yes i agree and even today we have people that see themselves as Jews and do believe in Yeshua (pbwh).

When i said

I doubt that statement.

Jews were already believing in G-d and rejecting the sonship

I was seeking of people of the Jewish faith as a majority. please look at my words “i doubt (To be undecided or skeptical about) that statement” what possible words led you to decide i was deliberately presenting falsehood?

Is it true form what you post Jewish religion professes belief Yeshua (pbwh) is the messianic promise fulfilment? Or could it be true they await the return of Elijah (pbuh) for this?

Secondly, … his son is his enemy.

Your analogy’s here are hard for me to follow, if I may try to clarify I am following you. In these are you truing to say Yeshua (pbwh) is the son regardless to what people think or say otherwise?

If this is what you are saying how does it connect to

The very purpose of islam is to reject the Sonship of Jesus

If people dont believe in his sonship than there is no purpose for Islam as the statement claims.

If you don’t know this yet, the Jews were the reason why Jesus came. Jesus Himself said Salvation is from the Jews. Anyone who read biblical scripture knows this for a fact.

I understand what you are saying but your wording brings falsehood (not saying blatant lie just poor choice or use of words bringing false meaning), many people who read the bible dont believe it to be a factual account. by definition of the word Liar and your words here you are one but i dont see this as your intent.

For me the Lords prayer has a great lesson for man kind about Karma, forgive us as we forgive others.
This to me would mean our standard is what we will be judged by.

Language is a barrier at CAF my heart does not see the words as you typed them and this has been the same for you with me.

Reflect on my words and what you made of them over me.
Now look at your own and what i hold over you.

Now, if the Jews reject Jesus (as what Jesus said, a prophet is not even welcomed in his own hometown), that certainly does not make the Jews Anti-Christ. It just means some Jews do not believe Jesus is the one God had promised them.

This contradicts your earlier position and supports what i offered that the Jews reject his sonship.

Again, the verse in 1 John 2:22 clearly refers to a religious effort that rejects the deity of Christ. The Anti-Christ is islam.

I hear this often, please refer to my words posted and the meaning of doubt.

Bro if you think THE Anti-Christ IS Islam you do not see THE Anti-Christ in its fullness.
There are so many things forbidden by G-d and by Islam that are Anti-Christ.
I dont know what country you live in but come to a western country and see the Anti-Christ presence in so many places. one ie Abortion is Anti-Christ. Long b4 Islamic religion the Anti-Christ was at work.

The Anti-Christ is islam

You have offered nothing to support this as i can understand. “Khristós” is believed in by most Islamic people they even claim Yeshua (pbwh) its bringer, coming for the last days.

You have been deluded.

so you have Judged me, may G-d have mercy on us both.

I may have used a poor choice of words saying i was putting myself out on a limb by guessing, it may have offended you, my intent was to encourage thinking and good conversation qualifying what i offered was without basis.

I know you judged me a deluded deliberate liar but looks to me like al there monotheistic religions are waiting for fulfilment of a Christ / Khristós / messianic promise and all three have some similarities in how it will be.

You have made claims so i assume you are well versed with the Quran and have prayed to you G-d much about you reading it.
I trust you are not one of these people who can surf the www and pick up what suits your feelings, parrots are fun but not spirit filled genuine truth seekers.

Now back to my questioning the value of Islamic religion being stated

The very purpose of Islam is to reject the Sonship of Jesus.

Why would Islam begin in an area where people served 360 gods who’s leader had daughters?

Was is Islamic scripture “revealed” b4 these people?
These people did not follow the G-d of Abraham (pbuh) they had their own allah and no need for the Allah Abraham (pbuh) submitted to.

Why not “reveal” it to the Christians it is them who had developed this understanding?

You are the expert on Islam here so I ask does the Quran say every nation gets its own prophet in its own language? These people spoke arabic and the Quran was “revealed” in arabic.

These people turned from allah and the 359 gods and professed the G-d of Abraham (pbuh) to be their Allah.

You as the Islamic expert here i ask how did these arabs include the sonship of Yeshua (pbwh) in their beliefs that Islams “very purpose” changed or tried to change?

I will be who I will be you have free will so choose who you see

 

[friendship]

Quran is Allah;s word, and not God’s word.

What do you mean Real Turah? could you explain?

I answered these several times.

Allah is the arabic translating for “God” and means “only God” Arabic translates of Bible translate Jahoveh to allah.

We have eanough reason to say Turah’s sentences are changed in some parts.

 

[friendship]

I checked with some muslim friends according to whom, Hafiz is a person who knows the quran completely. can recite it without any book.

Do you mean allah is the Hafiz? who knows quran?

You must find better Muslim friends!! hafiz means the one who protects some thing. God protects us and so he is our hafiz. He calls himself “hafiz” in sevral verses of Quran. for example

Quran34:21 says:

… va rabboka ala kolli shaien hafiz

…and thy Lord doth watch over all things.

 

[friendship]

How can you a sinner like me ever be in the presence of a holy and righteous God?

We are talking about meaning of “allah” and you answer me so!

 

[friendship]

Our Lord Jesus came to reveal the Father to us all, and He did in fact, way before muhammed showed up and began fighting people. some religion of peace by the way. but on the other hand, our Lord Jesus Christ came to bring something so beautful that the devil got angry. Jesus came to reveal to humanity that God is our Loving Father and that He gave His only son to save us poor sinners. of course the devil got mad, so he said “no no, you are nothing but a creation. God is not your father.”

1.God is not your father and Jesus is not the God. It is just your claim.

2.Jesus didn’t came revealthe God to us. He came to give us recent words of God in his time like Moses and Muhammad.

3.yeah, Jesus showed up the true way but liars changed his way and said he was God and changed his words and the real christianity. Today, Christianity is the wrong way.

4.Prophet Muhammad didn’t fight to people. He fighted to enemies of God. Johoveh ordered to fight to enemies in Bible. Jahoveh ordered to killing women, children and animals of Amalek(1 samuel15:2-3) But allah never ordered to killing women or children or animals.

5.Christianity is not the relegion of love. You claim but it’s not. Your Bible contains order to killing women and children and animals. Your history is full of killing women and children in middle ages.

6.Jesus Christ didn’t say that God is your father(I don’t believe in your gospels) and God has no child and didn’t need to give his son for our sins.

7.Yeah devil got mad and changed christianity and learned such blasphemies to you.

I am sorry that you do not yet know God as your Father.

I am sorry that you yet know God as your father. Leave blasphemies.

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I’ll come back next friday to contiue discussion.

 

[Martha_Karim]

I answered these several times.

Allah is the arabic translating for “God” and means “only God” Arabic translates of Bible translate Jahoveh to allah.

We have eanough reason to say Turah’s sentences are changed in some parts.

NO , NO and NO . The arabic version of the Bible contains the word Allah which means the “only God”. And you know the Bible does exist before Muhammad and before the Qor’an. And it was translated to arabic before Islam. We use the word Allah when we pray our daily prayers, we have never used Jehoveh .
قدّوس الله قدُّوس القوي قدّوس الذي لا يموت إرحمنا .
I am a Catholic Maronite from Lebanon and I speak arabic.
What you are telling the western Christian people is not true. In Christianity we have Allah = الله

We believe that GOD is One : Father, Son and Holy Spirit , the Trinity is One.
What you don’t believe that GOD can’t be Trinity, this is your problem.
So you believe in a god that can’t be Trinity, then the god who can’t be Three is not God.
Ok, You will say that God doesn’t need to be Three, I tell you that we humans need that God be three , in order to give His Son to save us from sins and to do reconciliation with God , because no One on Earth can do it , Only Jesus who accepted to be Human and descended to do salvation.
Sorry you may not understand this, your brains can’t handle or assimilate it.

What I will say is very important , I ask western Christians to read it.
I will tell you something more, It is forbidden to translate the Qur’an in other languages because the arabic letter is Holy(their beliefs). But you can see the Trinity in the arabic letters , and no language on earth have this beautiful caracteristic.
Every Arabic letter is pronounced by three letters, it means when you pronounce the letter A = أ for example , it contains three letters which are : L and F = ألف , باء ، تاء ، ثاء ، جيم ، حاء ، خاء ، دال ، ذال ، راء ، زين سين ، شين ،صاد، ضاد، طاه ، ظاه ، عين ، غين ،فاء ، قاف ، كاف ، لام ، ميم ، نون ، هاء ، ، واو، ياء
and if you delete one of the three letters it can’t be the letter A = أ .
And it is the same for the Holy Trinity , the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and we can’t delete one of Them otherwise it is not God.

And more : a man who doesn’t have children doesn’t know the real love for childrens, only the men who have children know the real love towards them. And God who is the Father loves his children more than his creators, He has prepared salvation for humans but not animals, not trees which are His creators.

I hope my christians friends that i answered enough.
Martha

 

[Vile_Servant]

NO , NO and NO . The arabic version of the Bible contains the word Allah which means the “only God”. And you know the Bible does exist before Muhammad and before the Qor’an. And it was translated to arabic before Islam. We use the word Allah when we pray our daily prayers, we have never used Jehoveh .
قدّوس الله قدُّوس القوي قدّوس الذي لا يموت إرحمنا .
I am a Catholic Maronite from Lebanon and I speak arabic.
What you are telling the western Christian people is not true. In Christianity we have Allah = الله

We believe that GOD is One : Father, Son and Holy Spirit , the Trinity is One.
What you don’t believe that GOD can’t be Trinity, this is your problem.
So you believe in a god that can’t be Trinity, then the god who can’t be Three is not God.
Ok, You will say that God doesn’t need to be Three, I tell you that we humans need that God be three , in order to give His Son to save us from sins and to do reconciliation with God , because no One on Earth can do it , Only Jesus who accepted to be Human and descended to do salvation.
Sorry you may not understand this, your brains can’t handle or assimilate it.

What I will say is very important , I ask western Christians to read it.
I will tell you something more, It is forbidden to translate the Qur’an in other languages because the arabic letter is Holy(their beliefs). But you can see the Trinity in the arabic letters , and no language on earth have this beautiful caracteristic.
Every Arabic letter is pronounced by three letters, it means when you pronounce the letter A = أ for example , it contains three letters which are : L and F = ألف , باء ، تاء ، ثاء ، جيم ، حاء ، خاء ، دال ، ذال ، راء ، زين سين ، شين ،صاد، ضاد، طاه ، ظاه ، عين ، غين ،فاء ، قاف ، كاف ، لام ، ميم ، نون ، هاء ، ، واو، ياء
and if you delete one of the three letters it can’t be the letter A = أ .
And it is the same for the Holy Trinity , the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and we can’t delete one of Them otherwise it is not God.

And more : a man who doesn’t have children doesn’t know the real love for childrens, only the men who have children know the real love towards them. And God who is the Father loves his children more than his creators, He has prepared salvation for humans but not animals, not trees which are His creators.

I hope my christians friends that i answered enough.
Martha

good answer.

 

[MartinJordan]

Martha Karim, that was beautiful.

MJ

 

[Vile_Servant]

Muslims have given 99 names for Allah, and they are quite nice, but one of the most important one is not given which we Christians address God.

Father, Our Loving Heavenly Father

Any reason for not addressing Allah as Father? Is Allah so distant to Muslims?

To be fair, some of the names of Allah describe the attributes of a Father;

e.g.
AL-MUHAYMIN (The Protector)
AR-RAZZÂQ (The Provider)
AL-WADÛD (The Loving One)

Blessings and peace.

 

[wwolverine]

NO , NO and NO . The arabic version of the Bible contains the word Allah which means the “only God”. And you know the Bible does exist before Muhammad and before the Qor’an. And it was translated to arabic before Islam. We use the word Allah when we pray our daily prayers, we have never used Jehoveh .
قدّوس الله قدُّوس القوي قدّوس الذي لا يموت إرحمنا .
I am a Catholic Maronite from Lebanon and I speak arabic.
What you are telling the western Christian people is not true. In Christianity we have Allah = الله

We believe that GOD is One : Father, Son and Holy Spirit , the Trinity is One.
What you don’t believe that GOD can’t be Trinity, this is your problem.
So you believe in a god that can’t be Trinity, then the god who can’t be Three is not God.
Ok, You will say that God doesn’t need to be Three, I tell you that we humans need that God be three , in order to give His Son to save us from sins and to do reconciliation with God , because no One on Earth can do it , Only Jesus who accepted to be Human and descended to do salvation.
Sorry you may not understand this, your brains can’t handle or assimilate it.

What I will say is very important , I ask western Christians to read it.
I will tell you something more, It is forbidden to translate the Qur’an in other languages because the arabic letter is Holy(their beliefs). But you can see the Trinity in the arabic letters , and no language on earth have this beautiful caracteristic.
Every Arabic letter is pronounced by three letters, it means when you pronounce the letter A = أ for example , it contains three letters which are : L and F = ألف , باء ، تاء ، ثاء ، جيم ، حاء ، خاء ، دال ، ذال ، راء ، زين سين ، شين ،صاد، ضاد، طاه ، ظاه ، عين ، غين ،فاء ، قاف ، كاف ، لام ، ميم ، نون ، هاء ، ، واو، ياء
and if you delete one of the three letters it can’t be the letter A = أ .
And it is the same for the Holy Trinity , the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and we can’t delete one of Them otherwise it is not God.

And more : a man who doesn’t have children doesn’t know the real love for childrens, only the men who have children know the real love towards them. And God who is the Father loves his children more than his creators, He has prepared salvation for humans but not animals, not trees which are His creators.

I hope my christians friends that i answered enough.
Martha

Thank You dear Martha,

Wonderful answer and most important was the wonderful explaination you gave for Trinity from muslim perspective.

God Bless You.

 

[wwolverine]

To be fair, some of the names of Allah describe the attributes of a Father;

e.g.
AL-MUHAYMIN (The Protector)
AR-RAZZÂQ (The Provider)
AL-WADÛD (The Loving One)

Blessings and peace.

Thank you Vile, but I feel that the names used in Islam are more of adjectives, which a simple Father would have sufficeied, but unfortunately, the muslim concept of Father is only the one who produces children like a married father.

From your acceptance of the above three words for Father, I think they would be too less and even 99 names are just a minute fraction of what God is, which makes me again feel that Muslims are belittling God with only 99 names. Unlike the Christian concept, of Loving Father, just one word.

 

[wwolverine]

1.God is not your father and Jesus is not the God. It is just your claim.

2.Jesus didn’t came revealthe God to us. He came to give us recent words of God in his time like Moses and Muhammad.

3.yeah, Jesus showed up the true way but liars changed his way and said he was God and changed his words and the real christianity. Today, Christianity is the wrong way.

4.Prophet Muhammad didn’t fight to people. He fighted to enemies of God. Johoveh ordered to fight to enemies in Bible. Jahoveh ordered to killing women, children and animals of Amalek(1 samuel15:2-3) But allah never ordered to killing women or children or animals.

5.Christianity is not the relegion of love. You claim but it’s not. Your Bible contains order to killing women and children and animals. Your history is full of killing women and children in middle ages.

6.Jesus Christ didn’t say that God is your father(I don’t believe in your gospels) and God has no child and didn’t need to give his son for our sins.

7.Yeah devil got mad and changed christianity and learned such blasphemies to you.

I am sorry that you yet know God as your father. Leave blasphemies.

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I’ll come back next friday to contiue discussion.

Thank you frienddship, now you have given a new meaning to the word friendship,

Such venom? now I know why you dont fear killing people, suicide bombing and maiming children.

you are a real pride to the muslim world.

God forgive you and bless you too.

 

[famdigy]

Muslims have given 99 names for Allah, and they are quite nice, but one of the most important one is not given which we Christians address God.

Father, Our Loving Heavenly Father

Any reason for not addressing Allah as Father? Is Allah so distant to Muslims?

In the 99 names, we understand God through his attributes (characteristics). It’s our means of relating to God. Fatherhood implies a common essence exists between the father and child, I can see how this makes sense to Christians, since in Christian thought God was incarnated as a man, just like us.

In Islam, we acknowledged that we can not understand God’s essence because our minds can not comprehend it. Christians sometime also acknowledge this when explaining the trinity, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told that I’m trying to understand God’s nature and my human mind just can’t comprehend it.

So to answer your question, Yes Allah has the characteristics of a loving father, you can find them in the 99 names. But He is not our father.

 

[Martha_Karim]

In the 99 names, we understand God through his attributes (characteristics). It’s our means of relating to God. Fatherhood implies a common essence exists between the father and child, I can see how this makes sense to Christians, since in Christian thought God was incarnated as a man, just like us

In Islam, we acknowledged that we can not understand God’s essence because our minds can not comprehend it. Christians sometime also acknowledge this when explaining the trinity, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told that I’m trying to understand God’s nature and my human mind just can’t comprehend it.

So to answer your question, Yes Allah has the characteristics of a loving father, you can find them in the 99 names. But He is not our father.

Love is counted one of these 99 names .
You believe that God is Love, the perfect and absolute Love. He created Human and made him a privilidge above of the other creatures (animals…) and gave him power on other creatures. Ok.
I tell you God is Love. He loves Human so so so much untill He took a Part of Him, who is equal to Him and sent This Part(equal to God) to human in order to save him from sins and make him able to enter Heaven, because Human has sinned before Him, and no one on earth can do reconciliation, means human can’t do reconciliation because the sin has weakened him (made him not perfect) and he deserved the downs= Hell not Heaven.
So the one who can do reconciliation must be above human and must be at the same human, so This Part of Him (who is equal to Him) was at same time Human, who is Jesus.
A child is a part of his parents, he is parents’ son. So Jesus is God’s Son.
And because Jesus is human and is God’s son, so we are His children, and He is our Father, otherwise means if we are not His children, His love is not perfect.
If God didn’t prepare human’s salvation, God’s Love is not perfect is not absolute. Because God is absolute Love, He has for (absolute) sure done salvation for human.
When Jesus fulfilled Salvation, he made the bridge for human to enter Heaven.
Prayers to God are not sufficient to do reconciliation or to enter Heaven. Announcing that God is a “Unique God” is not sufficient to do reconciliation, there must be Salvation.
In your religion, Islam, there is no salvation was done, you have only expressive sayings that God is unique and prayers, which are no sufficient to get salvation.
Before Christ people were presenting offerings for God because of sins. With Jesus, Jesus is the Offerings for God.
God prepared human to this Salvation during many many years by sending them prophets.

When Salvation done, we don’t need anymore prophets. When God came to human, he doesn’t need a prophet anymore.

I will do a Correction for your sentence : “God was incarnated as a man just like us” , is not true. “God became a man just like us except sin”, is true.

Martha

 

[famdigy]

I tell you God is Love. He loves Human so so so much untill He took a Part of Him, who is equal to Him and sent This Part(equal to God) to human in order to save him from sins and make him able to enter Heaven

Thank you for the response Martha, but I have a difficulty understanding what you mean by the statement above, which seems at odds with your Christian beliefs. From the natural world around us and from physics and math we understand that a part is never equal to the whole. Part of an apple is just that, a piece of apple not the whole apple. I’m not comparing God to apples here but the reasoning seems flawed.

On the other hand, I can say that as a son I am equal to my father, maybe in physical attributes, in knowledge, or skill. But I’m not the same person as my father, wouldn’t it also make sense that if Jesus is God’s son as you belief, he would be different person than God?

 

[Steven_John]

he arabic version of the Bible contains the word Allah which means the “only God”. And you know the Bible does exist before Muhammad and before the Qor’an. And it was translated to arabic before Islam.

Peace and blessings i dont ask this as to challenge your statement but do you know a credible source i can research for this?

 

[seraphime2008]

I am not going to add to the arguments here about the name of God, as I repeated many times before (if only anybody remember) that even in Bahasa Indonesia (the Indonesian language) and Malay, we do have the word Allah as the translation of God, the difference is only when Muslims speak, they speak it with the arabic accent, while the Christians speak with the native accent…

If christians here making argument that Allah is not a proper word for God, I think it will make more difficulties with the catholics and christians in Malay and Indonesia…!