A California Catholic University invites Bill Ayers to speak

[onetruechurch]

www.halfwaytoconcord.com/bill-ayers/

Tongues were wagging today on KSFO the SanFrancisco “conservative” radio talk show station. People were calling in saying how ashamed they were to admit they were Catholic when they heard that a local Catholic University had invited a communist/socialist terrorist bomber to speak at the university. Bill Ayers, the neighbor(?acquaintance?) of our new President will be speaking about his views of education. One caller to the radio show said that she was told by some former communists that the plan of the communists was to infliltrate the Catholic Universities. She gave this example as proof it was happening.

 

[Fitz]

Catholic Universities have a habit of inviting controversial characters to speak. When you complain, they explain it is a student group that invited them to speak. Students are rebellious and they want to hear all sides of things. I think that we can speak with out dollars. I quit supporting my Catholic University when they had the Vagina Monologues and they invited Cindy Sheehan to speak. It was more that I wanted to support. So I quit. Their loss.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Catholic Universities have a habit of inviting controversial characters to speak. When you complain, they explain it is a student group that invited them to speak. Students are rebellious and they want to hear all sides of things. I think that we can speak with out dollars. I quit supporting my Catholic University when they had the Vagina Monologues and they invited Cindy Sheehan to speak. It was more that I wanted to support. So I quit. Their loss.

I supported Notre Dame on that one. The students are not cloistered and need to discuss relevant topics and hear alternative views.

 

[Br_Mark]

Dear Fitz;

Are you upset because Cindy Sheehan is against the war in Iraq ?

As a US citizen she has the right to protest. Both the USCCB and the Vatican (both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict ) have taken strong stands against the US involvment in the war in Iraq.

So perhaps you have mistaken your being Catholic with being a Republican Nationialist.

Pax,

Br Mark, OSB

 

[Corki]

Dear Fitz;

Are you upset because Cindy Sheehan is against the war in Iraq ?

As a US citizen she has the right to protest. Both the USCCB and the Vatican (both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict ) have taken strong stands against the US involvment in the war in Iraq.

So perhaps you have mistaken your being Catholic with being a Republican Nationialist.

Pax,

Br Mark, OSB

So because you are a Cindy Sheehan fan, you support ND in showing the Vagina Monologues?!?!? As a religious, you should not put your name behind immorallity and I challenge you to find anything by Pope John Paul II o Pope Benedict XVI that would agree with you on that.

 

[rien]

Another indication the Rome has no “divisions”. The US church is in open schism and none dare say the Emperor - Rome - has no clothes. It does nothing but let generation after generation of souls be led astray. Even under supposed orthtdox Popes like JP2 and Benedict. You wonder why membership in the US Catholic church is hemoraging?

 

[Br_Mark]

Dear Corki,

Since I have never seen or read anything about the Vagina Monologues, it would be unfair to make any pronoucement regarding the play on my part. However I have read what the Vatican and the White House has said about the present war in Iraq. And I would in this case have to side with the Vatican on this one vs the White House’s opinion.

Pax

Br Mark, OSB

 

[Fitz]

Dear Fitz;

Are you upset because Cindy Sheehan is against the war in Iraq ?

As a US citizen she has the right to protest. Both the USCCB and the Vatican (both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict ) have taken strong stands against the US involvment in the war in Iraq.

So perhaps you have mistaken your being Catholic with being a Republican Nationialist.

Pax,

Br Mark, OSB

You don’t know me, but I am an independent. I don’t appreciate being called a Republican Nationalist, by someone that has not dialogued with me in the past.

I choose life every time. I will not debate Iraq with you on this thread. I am saying that those of us that support our Catholic Universities as alumnae- we have a voice and if they don’t want to listen then they can do without our support financially. It is a free country and I like it that way.

 

[Steeltemplar]

Dear Corki,

Since I have never seen or read anything about the Vagina Monologues, it would be unfair to make any pronoucement regarding the play on my part. However I have read what the Vatican and the White House has said about the present war in Iraq. And I would in this case have to side with the Vatican on this one vs the White House’s opinion.

Pax

Br Mark, OSB

I would suggest that you read up on it, as it is a vile production which is gravely sinful in nature. However, I would think that the title alone constitutes a sin against decency. Does not the title of it concern you?

 

[Steeltemplar]

Two informative articles. I was going to post the Wikipedia on it, but I think this is more honest:

diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/monologues.htm

tfp.org/student_action/activities/protests/monologues_protest_2004.htm

 

[SJG1759]

However, I would think that the title alone constitutes a sin against decency. Does not the title of it concern you?

Why is the medical term for the part of the human body through which new life enters the world a sin against decency?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the play itself. (I read it and didn’t like it, to put it mildly.) I just don’t get what’s so bad about the title.

 

[Phemie]

Why is the medical term for the part of the human body through which new life enters the world a sin against decency?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the play itself. (I read it and didn’t like it, to put it mildly.) I just don’t get what’s so bad about the title.

I’m with you. The word is just a word, no different from nose, ear or foot. The play, OTOH, is just stupid, starting with the the fact that the author uses the word vagina incorrectly.

 

[Arnobius]

Why is the medical term for the part of the human body through which new life enters the world a sin against decency?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the play itself. (I read it and didn’t like it, to put it mildly.) I just don’t get what’s so bad about the title.

You realize this is very much akin to the people who say “n*r isn’t racist! It just means ‘lazy shiftless person’" or "bh isn’t offensive, it is just a term for a female dog.”

There are appropriate and inappropriate times to use words. Unfortunately in our culture of shamelessness we have forgotten this, and as a result “a medical term” is now paraded around for the shock value.

 

[Arnobius]

Dear Fitz;

Are you upset because Cindy Sheehan is against the war in Iraq ?

As a US citizen she has the right to protest. Both the USCCB and the Vatican (both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict ) have taken strong stands against the US involvment in the war in Iraq.

So perhaps you have mistaken your being Catholic with being a Republican Nationialist.

Pax,

Br Mark, OSB

Excuse me Brother, but this line of reasoning is ad hominem, implying that a person who disagrees with a position does so because of partisanship. Likewise, one can argue that your evident support is based on partisan left wing ideology, correct?

Surely if you are up on the writings of the Church, you should remember this from then-cardinal Ratzinger:

1. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

(taken from the 2004 Memorandum to Cardinal McCarrick).

So, you can see that disagreement on the war is not an issue that puts one outside of the Church.

A person is free to take offense at Cindy Sheehan’s behavior without being “Republican Nationalist.” As for the Vagina Monologue, perhaps you might be interested to learn that it was condemned both by feminists and by people with Christian moral concerns.

A perusal of the content shows it is vastly at odds with what the Church holds on love, gender and sexuality.

If you do not know why member Fitz is opposed, and you do not know of the content of the Vagina Monologues, perhaps it is best not to make assumptions on motives?

Didn’t Christ say something about “the measure you use to judge”?

 

[Phemie]

You realize this is very much akin to the people who say “n*r isn’t racist! It just means ‘lazy shiftless person’" or "bh isn’t offensive, it is just a term for a female dog.”

There are appropriate and inappropriate times to use words. Unfortunately in our culture of shamelessness we have forgotten this, and as a result “a medical term” is now paraded around for the shock value.

No, I’m sorry, using the proper term for a body part is not shocking and I don’t see why anyone would be embarrassed to use the word in polite conversation. Using the proper word certainly beats using some of the euphemisms people are so fond of.

Comparing the appropriate term for a body part to the word n***** is really stretching it.

 

[Steeltemplar]

I think the question of decency is one which is rather fruitless in an internet environment. All those who think that “The Vagina Monologues” is a clean, wonderful name should go and ask a good Priest about the matter.

And by a good Priest, I mean one who is FULLY in union with Rome.

 

[basilisk]

You realize this is very much akin to the people who say “n*r isn’t racist! It just means ‘lazy shiftless person’" or "bh isn’t offensive, it is just a term for a female dog.”

There are appropriate and inappropriate times to use words. Unfortunately in our culture of shamelessness we have forgotten this, and as a result “a medical term” is now paraded around for the shock value.

What the freak? If it were the P**** Monologues, you might have a point. Vagina is the proper name for that body part, and it’s use in society is NOTHING like the “N” word. You are the one with a problem here. The word makes you uncomfortable… that doesn’t make it immoral. Use of the “N” word in our society is indefensible, because of its past, and the fact that its only place in society today is to wound. There is no other use for it. “B” being similar, but not as bad, IMO. Vagina is a perfectly proper word and the correct term for the body part.

 

[basilisk]

I think the question of decency is one which is rather fruitless in an internet environment. All those who think that “The Vagina Monologues” is a clean, wonderful name should go and ask a good Priest about the matter.

And by a good Priest, I mean one who is FULLY in union with Rome.

And if the CONTENT of the play were about married love, the joy of birth, and the sacramental unity of husband and wife, from a woman’s perspective, I bet any grownup, ordained or not, would be OK with the play. Because it’s the content you should object to, not the use of a correct term for a body part. Maybe not the words you would have chosen, but still… nothing morally wrong with the words themselves.

 

[Steeltemplar]

And if the CONTENT of the play were about married love, the joy of birth, and the sacramental unity of husband and wife, from a woman’s perspective, I bet any grownup, ordained or not, would be OK with the title. Maybe not the words you would have chosen, but still… nothing morally wrong with the words themselves.

Ask a good Priest, as I say.

 

[mdgspencer]

If I recall correctly, this play, for one thing, glorifies a lesbian raping an teenage girl. Perhaps someone can find a link showing something about the contents of this play, since I have to go to a meeting now.