A Case for Once Saved Always Saved

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1beleevr said:
But, you see, the face of the priest is not the face of Christ!
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See you can’t grasp simple things how do you expect to grasp more complex things?Christ stated His followers are the light of the world just as He is.The light that shines forth from His followers is not of their own but of His.By showing Christ’s mercy the preist becomes the face of Christ for the confessee.How do you expect people to beleive your message if you don’t show His face to them?To you the face of Christ is mere text, not living, but dead unable to bring forth life.
 
1beleevr said:
Well, the truth is what the truth is: Jesus is not on the Cross, and it is sacreligious to keep Him on it!
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I sure gots me some power here by depicting Christ on the cross i can defeat God and hold Him on the cross.
babble on,not listening:p
 
fbl9 said:
See you can’t grasp simple things how do you expect to grasp more complex things?Christ stated His followers are the light of the world just as He is.The light that shines forth from His followers is not of their own but of His.By showing Christ’s mercy the preist becomes the face of Christ for the confessee.How do you expect people to beleive your message if you don’t show His face to them?To you the face of Christ is mere text, not living, but dead unable to bring forth life.
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You see, we, as the followers of Christ, also reflect His light! Jesus said, “Let your light so shine before men.” We reflect Christ, when we are doing His will, not our own. We do not need a priest to interced for us, we can go right to the Father. Hebrews 4:16
 
fbl9 said:
I sure gots me some power here by depicting Christ on the cross i can defeat God and hold Him on the cross.
babble on,not listening:p
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There is no power inkeeping Him captive on the Cross; He was removed from it by two Pharisees!:cool:
 
fbl9 said:
See you can’t grasp simple things how do you expect to grasp more complex things?Christ stated His followers are the light of the world just as He is.The light that shines forth from His followers is not of their own but of His.By showing Christ’s mercy the preist becomes the face of Christ for the confessee.How do you expect people to beleive your message if you don’t show His face to them?To you the face of Christ is mere text, not living, but dead unable to bring forth life.
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Okay, let me ask one last question about confession: As a catholic, are you compelled to go to confession, or is it optional?
 
1beleevr said:
Okay, let me ask one last question about confession: As a catholic, are you compelled to go to confession, or is it optional?
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You are compelled but not checked on like record keeoer. Lots of people do not go to confession. We have a big church and thr priest said he takes a book to read so few come/
 
tweetymom said:
You are compelled but not checked on like record keeoer. Lots of people do not go to confession. We have a big church and thr priest said he takes a book to read so few come/
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Strongly encouraged to go would probably be more like it!
 
tweetymom said:
You are compelled but not checked on like record keeoer. Lots of people do not go to confession. We have a big church and thr priest said he takes a book to read so few come/
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Probably similar to 3 large churches within 7 mi of me, Tweety. They have 6, 7, and 8 weekend Masses and once a week confession schedules of 30 minutes, 50 minutes, and 60 minutes respectively.
 
tweetymom said:
Not me I use the direct method.
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I’ve said, there is nothing wrong with going to a priest for confession. I think a priest might help resolve some of issues people have with sin. There are a variety of sins. Some sins are against people, which we should ask those people for forgiveness. Some sins are against God, which we should ask Him personally for forgiveness.
 
Walden said:
I would direct you to 1 Corinthians 1:23.
(KJV by the way)
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Yes, but Paul also taught and we stil teach today, RESURRECTION!!! Christ died on the Cross(crucifixion). He was removed from the Cross and buried. In three days, he rose(resurrection).So, it is our choice to keep Him off the Cross, since Joseph of Arimethea, and Nicodemus took Him of!👍
 
brb3 said:
You ask alot of questions here. Too many to answer in one respondo. I’ve given my interpretation of Heb. 6:4 earlier.
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JL: Yes and I have reposted my questions along with your, totally contradicting interpretation, following the text of Hb6:4-6. [Hb6:4 For it is impossible for THOSE WHO WERE ONCE ENLIGHTENED, AND have TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and were MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST, 5 And have TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD, AND THE POWERS OF THE WORLD TO COME, 6 IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.]
brb3 said:
Paul is speaking of Apostates. Theoretical Christians, ones seeking their own glory. They have been instructed in the gospel … yet never became God’s election. They were baptized by water, but not by Christ’s H.S. They have ‘tasted’, received the Eucharist … but, they received wrongly … as did Judas. They don’t really possess the indwelling H.S. … they don’t abide/persevere IN CHRIST.
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jlhargus said:
Where does the text, in Hb6:4-6, say apostates are theoretical Christians? Where does the text say they seek their own glory? Where does the text say they never became God’s election? Where does the text say they didn’t receive the H. S. when baptized? Where does the text say they received the Eucharist wrongly? Where does the text say they don’t really posses the indwelling H.S.? Where does the text say they don’t abide/persevere IN CHRIST? Those are only your words, which contradict the text.
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You can’t defend your contradiction, so you make the excuse it’s to many questions, for one respondo. Then do two respondos and don’t make up so many things. That way I wont have to ask you, so many times, to show where those things are in scripture.
 
As a Catholic I can know if I am in a state of sin or grace and on the road to eternal life at anytime, by examining my conscience, in light of Christ’s teaching taught by his Church. Right now I am in grace. However, I have no absolute assurance that I will perserver to the end, as I don’t know the future. I have confidence I will and I have absolute assurance that Christ will provide the way and grace for me to overcome any temptation.

I have free will at all times, to choose life or death, this day or any other day. God never forces, he supplies the grace, yet I am free to say, yes or no, accepting or rejecting that grace. I also have absolute assurance if I willfully sin in a serious matter, losing the life of God within (the indwelling of the Holy Spirit), and repent (sorrow and intention to sin no more) and confess I will be cleansed by the blood of Christ and RESTORED to life in Christ. One cannot willfully commit adultery and expect the Holy Spirit to be united to sin and remain within, when one has freely choosen death orver life, the soul that sins will die spiritually, the wages of sin is death. Just as after sinning ONCE Adam and Eve died spiritually the day they sinned.
 
1beleevr said:
Yes, but Paul also taught and we stil teach today, RESURRECTION!!! Christ died on the Cross(crucifixion). He was removed from the Cross and buried. In three days, he rose(resurrection).So, it is our choice to keep Him off the Cross, since Joseph of Arimethea, and Nicodemus took Him of!👍
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A focus on one does not mean the Church excludes the other. I think I’m just a little confused as to your objection to crucifixes. Of course, this is way off topic but perhaps you will indulge me. I find issues like this interesting. To me, it seems like a vestige of some old, anti-catholic rhetoric. It seems as though you are implying that Catholics would like to “keep Jesus on the cross” as if we are unaware of the Resurrection. To me, and this is 100% just me, I don’t see the meaning of a cross unless you consider what happened to God upon it. I see a crucifix as a symbol and reminder of God’s love for us. Now, this does not mean that I deny that Jesus rose from the dead after being laid in the Holy Sepulchre.

I completely respect your decision to “keep Him off the Cross”, but from earlier posts I got the feeling that you disapprove of crucifixes. So, what exactly is your objection now that I have explained that the Catholic Church (and me for that matter) wholeheartedly believe in and preach the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ?
 
Walden said:
A focus on one does not mean the Church excludes the other. I think I’m just a little confused as to your objection to crucifixes. Of course, this is way off topic but perhaps you will indulge me. I find issues like this interesting. To me, it seems like a vestige of some old, anti-catholic rhetoric. It seems as though you are implying that Catholics would like to “keep Jesus on the cross” as if we are unaware of the Resurrection. To me, and this is 100% just me, I don’t see the meaning of a cross unless you consider what happened to God upon it. I see a crucifix as a symbol and reminder of God’s love for us. Now, this does not mean that I deny that Jesus rose from the dead after being laid in the Holy Sepulchre.

I completely respect your decision to “keep Him off the Cross”, but from earlier posts I got the feeling that you disapprove of crucifixes. So, what exactly is your objection now that I have explained that the Catholic Church (and me for that matter) wholeheartedly believe in and preach the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ?
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Speaking solely for myself, I do not need a crucifix to remind me of the torture and pain that my Saviour endured on the Cross. I can look at an empty Cross, and imagine him writhing in agony, being held there by His love for us! To wear a cruifix gives the impression that He must be put back on it. I totally respect your faith and beliefs, and am trying to understand the need for the crucifix:confused:
 
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