A Case for Once Saved Always Saved

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Right when you are reborn or saved Christ has entered you life and will never leave. And you are correct that this does not guarantee salvation. Being saved offers God’s gift of salvation which can be lost unlike being saved which cannot be lost.
Rev Kevin is correct on this. He is just using different words than Catholics do.

We are all SAVED by Christ’s one Eternal Sacrifice.

To achieve eternal salvation, we must respond to Christ’s sacrifice: We must be Baptized, we must confess our sins, we must participate in the Eucharist, we must obey God’s laws.
 
Is not St. Paul clearly stating in verse 5-6 to Timothy, that saved Christians who had a sincere faith, pure heart, and a good conscience, have strayed? Saved Christians strayed because they strayed from The Church. He goes on to tell Timothy to hold fast to The Faith and not shipwreck it like Hymenaeus and Alexander 1Tim 1:19-20. Now one of the ways in which we stray are by being taught false doctrines, by false teachers, who have no mandate from Jesus Christ and His apostles to preach, teach and Baptize. Timothy had a mandate through the laying on of hands by the apostle St. Paul to teach doctrine which now saves us. OSAS comes from false teachers who have no mandate from Christ’s Church. They do not have the sacrament of Holy Orders instituted by Our Lord.

I apologize for the confusion on the "to and fro statement. I was referring to a statement by St. Peter.

We are in agreement when you say “we should know what the bible says…”. However we can’t do it without The Catholic Church. The Ethiopian eunuch bears witness to this simple truth in Acts8:29-39. I dare say this Ethiopian was better educated than most in our day When we disregard this and become puffed up with pride the we see the fragmentation of 40,000 communities outside The Catholic Church which Our Lord founded and promised the gates of hell shall not prevail.

God Bless,
DCD
 
Right when you are reborn or saved Christ has entered you life and will never leave. And you are correct that this does not guarantee salvation. Being saved offers God’s gift of salvation which can be lost unlike being saved which cannot be lost.
Please clarify your last sentence, which seems to contradict itself:
"Being saved offers God’s gift of salvation which can be lost unlike being saved which cannot be lost."
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As for Christ not leaving us - you are correct. This is the Catholic view. However - we CAN leave HIM. The Dcriptures are very clear on that.

PS - Again, being reborn and saved are NOT the same thing.
 
Right once saved always saved but you can loose your salvationn not go to heaven. That is what I have been saying all along. Being saved is not the same as salvation.
Perhaps it would be less confusing if we said instead: Once baptized always baptized.

Baptism saves us, but we can lose this precious salvation by sinning “sins leading to death” (mortal sins cause the loss of spiritual life in the soul). They are called “sins leading to death” because until we die, we can still repent and gain spiritual life back again. However, once we die with these sins not repented, then these sins cause the loss of eternal life; they cause spiritual “death” for eternity.
 
Well thanks but I didn’t have a choice in being Catholic it was my parents choice not mine which is one of the things I disagree with. But I will not change my Baptist status and will consider myself Baptist.
I think that your parents desired for you to be reconciled to God as a baby so that you could then be taught to do the things that Jesus commanded so that you could inherit eternal life when you die. Matthew 28:18-20

Baptism removes Original Sin from the soul. Removing Original Sin from the soul is what reconciles us spiritually to God. I am extremely grateful that my parents had me baptized when I was only 11 days old. This spiritual birthday (born again, spiritual rebirth) is more important to me than my physical birthday! 🙂
 
Nobody said that Catholics are the only ones who have a lifelong committment to Christ. As I stated before - you are all over the board on this thread.
That’s not an uncharitable comment - just an observation because you seem to change the rules - and your position with every post.
That is because this is not my belief and I am trying to give OSAS a good run for its money. Since I don’t believe it, I am having to guess on some answers, read on others, and to be quite honest sometimes my beliefs might have snuck in.
Did I ever say that you had to constantly keep working with “no down time” or “no breaks”. That is a false accusation, friend. Where’s that mutual charity you spoke of?
How is that being unloving? This is me for a second I honestly think I am not doing enough. So people who want to do Christ’s work is not an insult, it is a compliment.
The Catholic position - which IS the Biblical position - is that you can truly have faith and live it, and STILL fall away. I tire of providing the same Scriptural proof ad nauseam but you have YET to address it.
Ok. Just give me the scriptures (don’t paste them) and I’ll try to address them again. I thought I have been covering them with Rev Kev, but you keep saying I missed some, and I don’t see it.

gtg to Bible study. I’ll try to answer the rest of this when I return. (stopped reading here)
Now - if the woman at the well never sinned again after meeting with Jesus, but never had any intention of following him or being baptized - she couldn’t be saved. Salvation doesn’t just come to people who behave well but to those who have new life through Jesus and endure in faith to the end.

For the last time - will you please finally address the following passages on whether or not a Christian can lose their faith and thereby lose the promise of salvation?
Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of (our) Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
 
Rev Kevin is correct on this. He is just using different words than Catholics do.

We are all SAVED by Christ’s one Eternal Sacrifice.

To achieve eternal salvation, we must respond to Christ’s sacrifice: We must be Baptized, we must confess our sins, we must participate in the Eucharist, we must obey God’s laws.
We have all been “redeemed” by Christ’s sacrifice 1 Timothy 2:3-6. He redeemed mankind from Adam’s Sin Romans 5:16, and He also redeemed the Jews from having to obey the Law of Moses Hebrews 9:15. However, in order for the individual man to be saved, Baptism is the means provided for the individual to be saved.

Being saved (spiritually reconciled to God through removal of Original Sin from the soul Romans 5:12) through Baptism gives us hope of eternal life Titus 3:7. It does not guarantee eternal life. In order to inherit eternal life after Baptism, we must obey God’s commandments Hebrews 5:9 and also fulfill the purpose which we were created to do Ephesians 2:10.
 
Ok. lets try this for a second.

Jesus meets with the woman at the well. He knows her sin and he tells her.He forgives her sins and tells her to go and sin no more.

What happens if she does just that? What happens if she is blameless for the remainder of her life?

Isn’t she saved?
Yes - why wouldn’t she be? (Assuming she actually repented, and stopped living with her boyfriend or pretending that he was her husband.)

It’s only if she continues in her sins, never actually repenting of them, or commits new sins, that she loses her salvation.
 
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elvisman:
**Please clarify your last sentence, which seems to contradict itself:**Read post 241 its more clear
"Being saved offers God’s gift of salvation which can be lost unlike being saved which cannot be lost."
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**As for Christ not leaving us - you are correct. This is the Catholic view. However - we CAN leave HIM. The Dcriptures are very clear on that.**Its also our view, see we are not that far apart on some views.

**PS - Again, being reborn and saved are NOT the same thing.**Ya it is. If you are reborn you are saved. Being saves is being reborn into the family of God.
 
Ya it is. If you are reborn you are saved. Being saves is being reborn into the family of God.
If you substitute the word “baptized” for “saved,” your theology is Catholic theology.

Most Baptists believe that when you “get saved” (accept Jesus into your heart) then from that moment on it is as if they are already in Heaven - they can’t lose their salvation.
 
I think that your parents desired for you to be reconciled to God as a baby so that you could then be taught to do the things that Jesus commanded so that you could inherit eternal life when you die. What does my parents desire have to do with me being taught to do the things that Jesus commanded. It could be done without their desire. Matthew 28:18-20

Baptism removes Original Sin from the soul. Removing Original Sin from the soul is what reconciles us spiritually to God.Being Baptized does not remove original sin, it a commitment to God, a rebirth into his family which is your choice and nobody eles. How can someone accept Christ for you? We all have a sin nature that will never leave us and this sin nature is the original sin. I am extremely grateful that my parents had me baptized when I was only 11 days old. This spiritual birthday (born again, spiritual rebirth) is more important to me than my physical birthday! 🙂
 
If you substitute the word “baptized” for “saved,” your theology is Catholic theology. Thats what we also believe so we are not that far apart.

Most Baptists believe that when you “get saved” (accept Jesus into your heart) then from that moment on it is as if they are already in Heaven - they can’t lose their salvation.
You haven’t read my posts then because I said that once you are saved or accpet Christ into your life he will never leave you, {once saved always saved} but you can loose your salvation. Salvation is not a sure thing. I never said anything different.
 
You haven’t read my posts then because I said that once you are saved or accpet Christ into your life he will never leave you, {once saved always saved} but you can loose your salvation. Salvation is not a sure thing. I never said anything different.
Yes, I know what you’ve been saying. It’s way different than what every other Baptist I’ve ever encountered, says. Like I said before, your theology is Catholic - not Baptist.
 
Yes, I know what you’ve been saying. It’s way different than what every other Baptist I’ve ever encountered, says. Like I said before, your theology is Catholic - not Baptist.
Well I don’t know what to tell you except that is what my Baptist church teaches and that is what I teach my 6th grade Sunday school class. Its in the book that we teach from. I guess you have just encountered a different kind of Baptist church.
 
Ya it is. If you are reborn you are saved. Being saves is being reborn into the family of God.
That’s not what the Bible says (Acts 2:47 - they were BEING saved). Being reborn is being reborn - not saved.

The Bible indicates that those who have finished the race are saved
You must read the Bible in CONTEXT or you are doing a great disservice to yourself and those to whom you evangelize.


**You cannot “be saved” then lose your salvation. You can lose the process of salvation. **There is nobody who is still alive that is completely saved - NOBODY.
 
Yes and yes. Does God take salvation away from anyone who accepts him even if they done wrong. People who are saved sin everyday. Do you go to a priest and confess your sins everyday? If not then you are not saved until you do confess to a priest.
If you do not ask God for forgiveness are you still saved. Yes you are still saved but you are out of fellowship with God.
Catholic Christians do not go to Confession every single day. However, they should go at least weekly or once a month. The reason we go to Confession is so that we don’t lose our salvation. Not asking God for forgiveness and thinking that you are still saved is the height of religious arrogance. You really are off in your understanding of salvation. Like I said, poor soul. We will pray for your enlightenment.

By the way, Jesus instructed his apostles to forgive sins, something that was formerly reserved to God. There is nowhere in the NT where Jesus says anything contrary to His own instruction to the apostles.
 
=rev kevin;6216548 Being Baptized does not remove original sin, it a commitment to God, a rebirth into his family which is your choice and nobody eles. How can someone accept Christ for you? We all have a sin nature that will never leave us and this sin nature is the original sin
Rev. Kev, do you believe in original sin? If you do, how is it removed if not by baptism?
 
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