A Clinton Reprise

[Elaine_s_Cross]

Al Masetti:

I get a kick out of some of these names… some of these folks have enormous assets, well protected by “trusts” so that they are immune from the slings and arrows of daily life. One famous finance guy, not named here, is vitriolic against estate tax reform. Turns out, that because of the high taxes on estates, he is able to buy family businesses for CHEAP. Of course, he doesn’t want the tax structure changed!!!

We need a thread about those truly rich who have a real conflict of interest when they legislate or lobby against working people.

I’m sorry, but I view any taxes that rake in more money than it takes to take care of the basic services of government (at the federal level; national defense, interstate commerce, basic expenses for the 3 branches of gov’t) as theft.

Let me use Bill Gates as an example. If Bill Gates has a surplus and he doesn’t use enough of it to do good works for charity, then shame on him. If I vote to take (steal) more money from him in the form of taxes, then shame on me.

If someone like Bill Gates does not give away enough of his excess for charitable works, it is between him and God. It is not for me to tax (steal) from him to do more.

 

[mary_bobo]

koda:

Clinton isn’t perfect but then nobody is. But I believe that he really cares about people while I don’t think the current admin. care about anybody but their rich buddies - but that is just my opinion. And I was raised as a FDR Democrat, so I’m sure that explains why I feel this way.

Koda, I can understand why you feel that way, however, I believe you do not have the facts. Clinton is a wonderful speaker and communicator and can say whatever you need to hear to tell you how he cares about you. But I don’t think it is caring about people to continue to keep them dependent on a benevolent federal government to take care of them. People appreciate more that which they have to work for and giving people the opportunity to make it on their own is one of the precepts of the GOP. You have heard so much about “Bush’s rich buddies” in the media that you believe it. But if you will investigate, I think you will find that every time the taxes are cut (under Kennedy, Reagan and GWB, revenues into the federal treasury increased. “Rich buddies” are the ones who own big companies, create jobs for those of us not in this tax bracket. Remember when they raised the taxes on luxury items? A number of companies that manufactured yachts went out of business and the folks there lost their jobs. It takes money made to reinvest in companies, make them grow and provide more jobs to folks. Accept this in the spirit it is given and look and see if I am right or wrong. “Rich buddies” keep the economy growing.

 

[2shelbys]

koda:

Clinton isn’t perfect but then nobody is. But I believe that he really cares about people while I don’t think the current admin. care about anybody but their rich buddies - but that is just my opinion. And I was raised as a FDR Democrat, so I’m sure that explains why I feel this way.

At least you know and admit why your feelings are so at odds with the facts. I admire that. We all have our biases. Like me for instance. I am a conservative/constitutionalist who has studied WWII since I was about 10 years old and to me F.D.R. was without question the most damaging, treasonous President this country has ever had. Nearly all of our worst domestic problems can be traced directly back to his administration. But that is a subject for another thread.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Elaine's Cross:

I’m sorry, but I view any taxes that rake in more money than it takes to take care of the basic services of government (at the federal level; national defense, interstate commerce, basic expenses for the 3 branches of gov’t) as theft.

Let me use Bill Gates as an example. If Bill Gates has a surplus and he doesn’t use enough of it to do good works for charity, then shame on him. If I vote to take (steal) more money from him in the form of taxes, then shame on me.

If someone like Bill Gates does not give away enough of his excess for charitable works, it is between him and God. It is not for me to tax (steal) from him to do more.

It becomes a problem with these people who are protected by trusts then turn around and either pass legislation (if they are in Congress) or influence legislation (if they are lobbyists or hire lobbyists) to maximize taxes on the rest of us.

I encourage everyone to become rich. That’s fine with me. I object to folks who are already rich who try to prevent the rest of us from aspiring to that state in life.

 

[2shelbys]

Al Masetti:

It becomes a problem with these people who are protected by trusts then turn around and either pass legislation (if they are in Congress) or influence legislation (if they are lobbyists or hire lobbyists) to maximize taxes on the rest of us.

I encourage everyone to become rich. That’s fine with me. I object to folks who are already rich who try to prevent the rest of us from aspiring to that state in life.

And you have to love people like George Soros. He uses our capitalist way of life to get extremely rich and then uses his money to attempt to buy our election in order to destroy that way of life and instill the same failed one he fled from when he came here.

 

[Al_Masetti]

2shelbys:

And you have to love people like George Soros. He uses our capitalist way of life to get extremely rich and then uses his money to attempt to buy our election in order to destroy that way of life and instill the same failed one he fled from when he came here.

Yeah. I can’t figure out Soros at all.