A comment on the Holy Father’s Mass at Nationals Stadium [Fr. Z]

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Lorik said:
Then you feel very badly for Pope Benedict. He has written very clear directives on what music is appropriate for Mass and what is not.
These people totally disobeyed the Pope.
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So you say.
 
All I can say is that it saddens me to see people tearing the mass apart like this. Even one offered by our Most Holy father. No wonder we had a protestant reformation. Is there going to be another mass exodus. We say, correction, you say this is done because you want things perfect Well, as long as we are on this planet, things wont be. I hope to see perfection in heaven. i know at present, we are a long way from being there. Instead of concentrating on what you feel was wrong with the mass (and I bite my cheek saying that) why don’t you stop, take a breath and see what was right with that mass. And before you say nothing, reflect that Jesus came down body, blood, soul and divinity at the consecration, for you and for me. If thats not right and the total sum and substance of our faith, than we are definitely not in the same Church.
Many prayers and blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
We say, correction, you say this is done because you want things perfect Well, as long as we are on this planet, things wont be. I hope to see perfection in heaven. i know at present, we are a long way from being there.
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So let’s give up on trying to have respectful Mass and just do things any imperfect way we think of, right? The Mass is supposed to be Heaven on earth. Read Scott Hahn’s Didache book number 2, or read If your Mind Wanders at Mass, or read Scott Hahn’s The Lamb’s Supper. They all describe this. Through Revelation we know that the Mass patterns Heavenly worship. Although it is true that as long as the Mass is valid, it is very, very sacred, that doesn’t mean we should go crazy and do whatever irreverent things we want in the name of inclusiveness or multiculturalism or diversity or progressiveness or whatever the buzzword of the week is. The Mass is so amazingly holy that it’s horrible to corrupt it in any way. So we should do as good a job as we possibly can. Otherwise we’d be offering not our best to God, and what happened to the people who tried to do that in Acts?
 
Spiller said:
It was a great Mass! I feel sorry for those who focus on the negative. I cannot imagine what their lives must be like.
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Sometimes I wish I didn’t “know” so much about liturgy, because some of the musical selections (not musicians, who are all very talented) were inappropriate for the Mass. I did enjoy the Pope’s homily and hearing him speak in English so well!

ps. I for one, have a blessed life. not a perfect one, but blessed. please don’t make unwarranted comments like this.
 
So when are these so called “liturgicists” gonna be removed permanently from their positions?!!. This was not the Pope’s fault!!. You could see the only piece he liked was the one by Placido Domingo. What an embarissment like I knew it would be when we read about the selection weeks ago!.:mad:
 
Spiller said:
So you say.
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First of all, your assumption that all those that focus on the correct liturgy of Church are living negative lives is quite insulting, pathetic, and unintelligible. Perhaps you should read the Holy Father’s own statements about the practice of sacred music and liturgy. There is a strict form and reveranace that should always be used in the presence and sacrament of the Lord in the Eucharist. It would be beneficial for you to review this liturgical law before you make heinous comments about people who wish to follow sacred liturgy and music.
 
MattS said:
Although it is true that as long as the Mass is valid, it is very, very sacred, that doesn’t mean we should go crazy and do whatever irreverent things we want in the name of inclusiveness or multiculturalism or diversity or progrehttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/smilies/confused.gif
:confused:ssiveness or whatever the buzzword of the week is.
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How in the world do you get this out of what I said. How can you jump to such conclusions.
The Mass is so amazingly holy that it’s horrible to corrupt it in any way.
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I beg your pardon, but I did not see the Holy fathers mass as corrupt. Where in the world are you coming from.
So we should do as good a job as we possibly can. Otherwise we’d be offering not our best to God,
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We did offer our best. We offered Jesus in the unbloody sacrifice of the mass, offered by none other then the Vicar of Christ on earth chosen by the Holy Spirit.
and what happened to the people who tried to do that in Acts?
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???

Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
The Mass is so amazingly holy that it’s horrible to corrupt it in any way. So we should do as good a job as we possibly can. Otherwise we’d be offering not our best to God, and what happened to the people who tried to do that in Acts?
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Deacon_Ed_B said:
Are we not a multi-cultural Catholic Church??? Don’t let cultural bias stand in the way of liturgy.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Multi-culture is a culture of its own. If being Catholic is being of a single culture, then I’m proud to be a Catholic.
 
Catholic_Opinion said:
I don’t know precisely what is planned for the Mass in NYC. Perhaps it is the intention of the organizers to counter-balanced some of what we saw and heard in Washington.
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Maybe they were waiting for someone to bring in two loaves and five fish. 🙂
 
Okay, I finally watched most of the Mass on my computer via EWTN. There was some excellent and uplifting music and there was some that just felt so wrong for the Mass. Turns out that the small piece I was actually able to hear was the part that just was all wrong :rolleyes:.

For the most part the music was great. Of course every piece was well done for what it was and maybe it is just a preference on my part - even though I like the Bi-lingual all Spanish music Mass at my Parish.
 
If things were as bad as some on here are saying, it logically follows that there will be some public rebuke by the Vatican. Without that, perhaps folks should rethink their criticisms.
 
Spiller said:
Oh Dear God! The Mass was glorious!

I feel very badly for anyone – including this priest who feels compelled to carp about what was a gorgeous event.

Something is definitely broken here – and it wasn’t with today’s Papal Mass.
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Spiller said:
It was a great Mass! I feel sorry for those who focus on the negative. I cannot imagine what their lives must be like.
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I’m with you, good Lord, this awful sentiment is all over this board. :eek: what a sad day on here.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
All I can say is that it saddens me to see people tearing the mass apart like this. Even one offered by our Most Holy father. No wonder we had a protestant reformation. Is there going to be another mass exodus. We say, correction, you say this is done because you want things perfect Well, as long as we are on this planet, things wont be. I hope to see perfection in heaven. i know at present, we are a long way from being there. Instead of concentrating on what you feel was wrong with the mass (and I bite my cheek saying that) why don’t you stop, take a breath and see what was right with that mass. And before you say nothing, reflect that Jesus came down body, blood, soul and divinity at the consecration, for you and for me. If thats not right and the total sum and substance of our faith, than we are definitely not in the same Church.
Many prayers and blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Saddens me too Deacon. I would expect all the clergy to be like St Pio, or John Vianney… but I know better.

As for the Reformation, I grant you that the problems were there…many of them. And the main dissenters were the priests (or monks :rolleyes: ). But there was no leadership at the top, and slow communication to correct error even if we had a good Pope at the time.

Yes the Consecration was, as always, awesome… incense was noteable too.

We are in the same Church, but I see that your level of permissiveness is much different than many other deacons I know. That too saddens me, considering how many see what you post.

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I am truly sorry you feel that way. But I tend to look for the good and not to pick. Whatever any one says, we truly had a beautiful mass today. No I did not like all the music, I can say that at a lot of masses I attend. But thats not why I attend and participate. It is because my focus is the Eucharist, not the incidentals.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
I would like to draw attention to the quote in my signature line.

*“For what does it profit if we abstain from fish and fowl and yet bite and devour our brothers and sisters? The evil speaker eats the flesh of his brother and bites the body of his neighbor.” *St. John Chrysostom

Please stop sniping. People can have opinions about a public event without being “arrogant” or “insensitive”. And people are free to disagree with your opinion too without being “arrogant” or “insensitive” either.

The charity level on this thread, that is the charity directed to other posters is quite low.

Please post about your opinion of the Mass, not each other. Otherwise, a moderator may step in and start handing out infractions - or worse.
 
That liturgy was an abomination to God. I feel sorry for the Holy Father who was embarrassed with that pagan music. I saw the Pope wince and look very uncomfortable.

The Holy Father had to recite the awful ICEL translation of the Novus Ordo. How sad that he used the short second Eucharistic prayer that mentions no sacrafice, saints, or martyrs.He had to say “for all” instead of pro multis which he has rightly changed.

I wanted to puke when I saw the misguided faithful who stuck out their “paws” to recieve the sacred host. I wonder hown many will be sacrilegiously left on the ground like at so many Pope JP II Masses.
The news are reporting that apostate pro-arbortion Kerry sacrilegiously received communion!

**This spectable is proof that we need restoration of the Mass of all time. The most beautiful thing this side of heaven.The Novus Ordo must go away as the miserable failure and debacle that has lead to the Church having no priests anymore.
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Our Lady of Fatima Ora Pro Nobis!
 
This is a forum

A place for discussion and expression of opinions

So I expect that if someone did not feel the music was appropriate, and apparently it wasn’t since so many people are touching on the same topic, it should be ok. This is the appropriate place for that type of discussion

and for other posters to attack someone’s PERSONAL life just b/c they express an opinion or to take on a condescending, judgmental, holier than thou attitude, is the INappropriate action here. Unfortunately I’ve noticed that quite a bit in this forum in other threads and some posters tend to act that way more so than others.
 
brotherhrolf

thank you for posting that article

seems like the people on this forum aren’t the only ones with this opinion. Must have some validity to it!
 
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