A concern about Catholic schools

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HI PO18guy,

I tried to go to the Bishop, but was told I could not speak to him by his “assistant”. Pretty sad. Looks like the lay people will have to do double-duty.

Thanks for responding.

mom4truth
 
HI PO18guy,

I tried to go to the Bishop, but was told I could not speak to him by his “assistant”. Pretty sad. Looks like the lay people will have to do double-duty.

Thanks for responding.

mom4truth
Well, then, band together and bomb him with letters and calls. It IS his responsibility. Can you find a couple of concerned priests? They have a direct line. There’s gotta be a way!

Christ’s peace.
 
I think when you have a truly Catholic school matched with parental guidance and support it will be more rare for a child to leave the faith. But we must keep in mind that even when exposed to a good truly Catholic education matched with parental support and presence every person has free will and can leave if they choose too. Fr. Corapi has said before that his mother raised his family in a good Catholic home and provided them with a good Catholic education but even still he walked away. It was not his mother’s fault or the fault of those who taught him, but rather because of his own personal choice.

There is a crisis in the Catholic school system though. Many of our “Catholic” schools are not Catholic. For those who say there is not a problem with our Catholic schools… well, they are fooling themselves. They teach the kids watered down Catholicism. In Religion class they tell the kids that original sin does not exist, the devil does not exist, the Eucharist is not really Jesus, Mass is all about community, women can be priests, women should be priests, and that the Bible has error in it, the Pope is just a silly man and a figurehead. The Health classes teach contraception. In Science they will teach that Evolution is a proven fact. Proper respect for Jesus in the Eucharist is not shown or taught. Many new age meditation type things are going on in the chapels. They have the kids walk around labyrinths to “find themselves.” And “World Religion” classes… oh boy! You should see these textbooks that they give the kids. They are more concerned with getting good scores and how many AP classes they offer then if they are leading over 150 young souls astray each year.

My parents paid 15,000 for just my Freshman year at an all girls Catholic school and the whole Catholic experience there was horrific. What a complete waist of money! There are about thirty Catholic schools in our Diocese and about five or six Catholic High Schools. I have not heard one good thing from any alumni of the schools about their high school experiences when it comes to the subjects of Catholic identity and teaching. Yes, they are faithful Catholics now. But that was not before they either had to live with the heresy being taught at the school and fight it while they were there or they grew up and actually learned what Catholicism really taught after walking away from the faith for a number of years. There is one good Catholic high school in our Diocese where we have some good sisters who are teaching truth, but there is an unspoken racial problem there that seems to keep many people from applying there. And the other schools (some of which refuse to acknowledge the Bishop as head of the Diocese but yet keep the Catholic name) refuse to have the sisters walk through their doors.

Not every Catholic High School is like what I have spoken about, but many are. It is difficult to find a good Catholic school these days. There was a survey done of young people who practice their faith and attend Catholic schools and you should read their comments. Only a handful had positive remarks about the Catholic environment at their schools.

Many people have said that the parents are to blame for the poor Catholic education being received at Catholics schools simply because they are not as involved as they should be. Yes, I think that is a problem, but even if parents were not to get involved then still we should be able to rely on Catholic educators to teach Catholic teachings. It is their job. When they teach teachings that are watered down or just flat out heresy it cannot be blamed wholly on the parents. It is the educator and school’s fault primarily. The Devil seems to be attacking our schools. It is a major reason why I had to finish out my high school experience home schooled.
 
Hi everyone,

I have a very big concern regarding Catholic schools. My kids have been to one Catholic school for a year and a half, public schooled, Catholic home-schooled (awesome) and are no entering into another Catholic school. The problem is, the schools who claim they are Catholic, really are not. They are not obedient to the Magisterium. Both of these schools I am speaking of are not. I have even heard it straight from the horse’s mouth…so to speak. The only reason my kids are going to another Catholic school is because a) I am very sick and cannot homeschool them any longer b) the school is smaller than a public school and I feel there would be less chance of physical/moral/spiritual damage that they may encounter. Question: who allows these so-called Catholic schools to be called Catholic, when actually they are not? What do our Bishops do about this/why do they allow this?

Any info would be very much appreciated.

mom4truth
After I had my horrific experiences (the last straw was finding out that they wanted to send me to a conferance that in the past had sponsered ex-communicated priests as key speakers) my mother took measures against the school. My mother and I asked the same questions your asking. Why does the Bishop allow this? Why doesn’t the Bishop do anything? We found out. People associated with the school and the liberal sisters who were on the board (although no longer taught at the school) were also working for the Bishop. Everyone in the diocese knew what was going on at the school I attended. But nobody does anything or says anything. The Superintendent of Schools in our Diocese told my mother that he/she could not do anything about it. That person, if they had done anything, would have taken a chance at losing their job. The people associated with the school and on the board have big places in the Diocese and sadly influence the decision of our Bishop when it comes to the subject of this particular school I attended.

It also could simply be (in your case) because the Bishop has no idea of what is going on. If after notifying him and still nothing is done then I would guess there is more of a political problem. After leaving the school I found out so many things about the politics of our Diocese that I am positive that if it had not been for the good people I knew working in the Diocese for the good and for the many graces given to me at that time that strengthened me then I would have lost all faith.
 
Hi DaughterofMary,

Thanks for sharing your experience. Not only is the “faith” not taught in many Catholic Schools, but there is also no compassion nor kindness taught; virtues of the Church. This is a reason why my kids were homeschooled. I, unfortunately, can no longer do it. My kids also felt isolated from other kids when homeschooled. There are no support groups around here. My daughter just graduated from a homeschooling Catholic program. I am so proud of her. It was very tough, though.

My kids have been hurt through the public and Catholic school system. I am a very involved parent and apparently, people in the school systems (authorities) don’t really care about what I have to say - which is in conformity with the Magisterium.

Hopefully, my son’s experience at this new Catholic school won’t be bad. But I’m worried …

Thanks for sharing! God bless and keep us in your prayers and I will keep you in mine!

Hugs,

mom4truth:hug3:
 
My mother also took my brother out of public school (which he was attending at the time) and home schooled him for a year with Seton. Seton is difficult (although very good, I used Seton) and we found it takes a lot of time. It was just too difficult for her to keep doing with him. We have put him back in school too, but it is something we constantly have to watch out for. We have to go back over all of the things they teach him in Religion and other subjects just to make sure everything is being taught as it should be. So I can relate. I pray your son has a good year and enjoys the new school. God bless you!
 
Hi DaughterofMary,

Sorry to hear that about you and your brother. We have also used Seton. My daughter is graduating from Seton. It’s tough, to say the least. I can relate to your mom, too.

Thanks for sharing this and I will keep your family intentions in my rosary tonite.

God bless,

mom4truth
 
mom4truth - Not only is the “faith” not taught in many Catholic Schools, but there is also no compassion nor kindness taught; virtues of the Church.
Amen, mom4. I heard some paraphrase from the late archbishop Fulton Sheen that went something like “I’d rather have a child go to a government school and have to defend their faith then go to a Catholic school and lose it.” Well I went to Catholic schools, where the combination of weak catechesis and being at the receiving end of a lot of decidedly un-Christian behavior took its toll. I found Catholics to be self-centered hippocrites. By 12th grade I had lost any capacity for faith. I became an atheist/agnostic and hated the Church for 20 years after that. Made many terrible and sinful mistakes in my life, trying in vain to find some sense of peace.

Ironic thing is, though, that the turmoil that started in “Catholic” school and followed me into my 20s and 30s is what ultimately led me back to find out what the Church really was. Alas, to great sinners comes great mercy.

-Tim
 
I think one of the problems in practically every Catholic school today, even the ones faithful to Catholic dogma, is that they use secular textbooks. I understand why, in days of rising expenses, there is a temptation to buy textbooks from the public school book depository at reduced prices, but that means that students are getting minimal exposure to their Catholic faith–if the books aren’t actually deriding it.

I know good Catholic textbooks are available in just about every course but science through Seton Home Study School. Personally if I had a child in Catholic school today, I would rather pay an extra fee to have the school purchase Catholic books from Seton, rather than getting secular books from the public school book depository…
 
Hi all,

I just paid $450 for my son’s books at a Catholic school. That’s on top of tuition and a fee that must be paid to enroll $350 and another fee for “volunteering” if you are unable to volunteer. I think there are other expenses as well. I haven’t looked at the religion book yet. Hopefully, it’s Catholic. I don’t know. These schools are getting worse and I don’t know why the bishops don’t do something. I’m the one (parent) who’s always out there fighting for Catholic doctrine and obedience to the Magisterium. But I don’t want to cause problems for my son since I have no other option to school him. We did homeschool and Catholic school and public school. Homeschool was great - but no friends. That was a big problem for him. Any thoughts anyone?

Thanks and God bless!

mom4truth
 
Have you checked to see if there are any homeschool support groups in your area? HS has become so common these days that even small communities will have several families who homeschool–and a HS support group would give you playmates for your son…
 
Hi NM Jenny,

I have checked. There are none. Since my health is so bad, it is difficult to drive my son (15 years old) around to look for distant HS groups. We are going to try the “Catholic” school and see what happen. Please pray he will be alright (my son). He’s kind of quiet and a very kind young man. Something the “world” doesn’t always admire in a person. I think I have a backup plan. If the CS thing doesn’t work out, he can take 2 classes there, play basketball and then be HS the rest of the day. If I keep remembering that, I won’t wig out so much about my son. Pray for me, too, please! Thanks for responding!

Sincerely,

mom4truth:thumbsup:
 
Taking two classes at the Catholic school, playing basketball, and then HS the rest of the time seems like a good compromise, Mom, given your health problems. I assume you would be using a Catholic HS program (I recommend Seton as the best I’ve ever seen), but your son would probably have to take a religion class at the Catholic school too–just be sure that it is a genuinely Catholic religion class, many are not. But if he’s on a Catholic HS program, he’ll be taking religion there also, and he can use that as a check on what he’s being taught in the brick-and-mortar school.

I know it sounds as though I’m “down” on Catholic schools, but I know of too many of them that not only don’t teach true Catholicism, but actually teach heresy:eek:
 
Some parents send their children to Catholic schools due to the reputation for discipline. Such students arrive with a handicap, as they are disciplinary problems already. For other students, this is their only catechesis. Mass at school ends up being the only time they attend. This breeds weakness in faith, and you know who senses weakness-then attacks! You mentioned the proof of this.

Students arriving with a strong faith and a good catechesis based on a faith life at home have a much higher chance of remaining faithful. They had a solid foundation to begin with. The role of parent is of paramount importance.
Christ’s peace.
AMEN!!!
 
Hi Pyropam,

Read your post and you are absolutely right. It’s the OTHER kids I’m worried about. My kids are very well-versed in their faith AND practice it. They are extremely kind, compassionate, wise kids for their ages. It’s other parents’ children I’m concerned about and the disciplinary measures that are NOT taken at the Catholic school. Even the principal seemed very liberal - and the SISTER.
:eek: What is going on in this world? Of course we know the answer - satan. But, how do our kids combat the evil if they are more on the quiet side and don’t want to make waves just survive this hell on earth? Anyone have any answers?

mom4truth:shrug: 🤷
 
Hi Pyropam,

Read your post and you are absolutely right. It’s the OTHER kids I’m worried about. My kids are very well-versed in their faith AND practice it. They are extremely kind, compassionate, wise kids for their ages. It’s other parents’ children I’m concerned about and the disciplinary measures that are NOT taken at the Catholic school. Even the principal seemed very liberal - and the SISTER.
:eek: What is going on in this world? Of course we know the answer - satan. But, how do our kids combat the evil if they are more on the quiet side and don’t want to make waves just survive this hell on earth? Anyone have any answers?

mom4truth:shrug: 🤷
You have taught your children charity. Tell them that all are sinners, and not to judge other kids, but to pray for them. That way, you point out error to them without being judgmental. Your children have a loving mother who has taught them righteousness. Talk to them daily about school, and what they have seen and heard. You may then report major concerns directly to the school. This is all preparation for later life, when they are on their own. God has placed those precious children in your care for a reason! Trust Him to watch over them-and realize that He also relies on you! :bigyikes:

Christ’s peace be with you.
 
*Good advice, PO18guy! Definitely will do as you say! Thanks for responding!👍

mom4truth*
 
But, how do our kids combat the evil if they are more on the quiet side and don’t want to make waves just survive this hell on earth? Anyone have any answers?
If you honestly believe this world is now ‘hell on earth’, then all the more reason for you to send your son out into that world just as God sent His. How do your kids combat the evil even if they are more on the quiet side? As any of us do: through the gifts of the Holy Spirit. When those gifts are activated there is nothing that can stop us from doing God’s will, serving Him well.

While I do think that compromise of yours to have him attend a few classes, play a sport, and then HS makes sense, it is possible that your son is meant to attend either the Catholic or public high school in your area full time to be His light in the darkness. It doesn’t mean your son will confront the principal or correct the teacher during class or even get into a tussle with an onry student. It could simply mean your son sits in the class, raises his hand, and responds to questions truthfully so that others present can hear the truth (if the teacher has been telling lies). Hearing probably won’t lead to any real changes or conversions, but seeds will be planted through your son which may bear fruit 15 years down the line.

It is scary out there, I know this. I was terrified as well when my son was a sophomore in HS and he was in a crisis of faith. I took the matter to adoration and learned to let Jesus and Mary take a more hands-on role with my kids from that point. It’s not that I stopped doing my mothering job to my kids after this, and it’s not as though I had raised them up to that point without God as my guide, but it was different at this stage. It was more like I was allowing myself to enter into a co-parenting role with Mary and Jesus through these rough waters.

Until I looked at it that way, I was like you - my choices seemed limited to 2 options: hang onto the kids for dear life or leave them to the wolves. The problem was that I knew in 3 short years my son was going to be 18 and free to move out on his own. THAT terrified me and is what brought me to my knees at adoration. I prayed to Mary and Jesus and their response to me was the revelation that I was doing a good job, they were pleased with what they saw in my children, and they assured me that they were in good hands and will continue to be. It was almost a vision of them waiting off to the right with their hands extended asking me to lead my children into their care and assuring me that they will be safe with them there. From that moment on every ‘mother’ decision I’ve made, every ‘mother’ conversation I’ve had with my kids has been between them, Jesus, Mary and myself. I feel Their influence in every interaction with my kids now. I’m one year away from empty-nesting but I feel ok about letting the kids make their own way because I know they won’t be alone.

My kids were educated in the public school system but it was in their high school years that they became committed to catholicism as they prepared for and received the sacrament of confirmation. They, too, wanted to stay under the radar through high school but the Holy Spirit inspired them with confidence to put themselves out there in various activities. In every activity they represented Catholicism and did not get the ridiculing they anticipated. They don’t preach but if asked about something they speak the truth, they don’t swear and correct anyone around them who do to not do so in their presence, they don’t gossip and stop gossip from being part of any conversations in their presence. It’s those little things that make a difference and the kids respect their confidence to be true to something like that. I’ve seen what an influence they’ve been in people around them over the past 3-4 years. Some old friends walked away, new friends were drawn to them, and everyone respects them, including the teachers.

I asked them how they did it, remained strong in their faith at public school. They told me having a stable and loving home makes a big difference. Their friends who are struggling most in their faith don’t have stable family relationships. The other thing was the magisterium of the Church. It helps to have that beacon of light pointing them in the right direction whenever they hit a crossroads on what to do or what to say.

My apologies for the lengthy post. My point was to encourage you to take this matter to prayer and listen to what Jesus says to you. I shared His response to me and the results of following His way to offer you hope if it turns out you end up having to send your son to either school full time. It won’t be as bad as you fear.
 
HI PO18guy,

I tried to go to the Bishop, but was told I could not speak to him by his “assistant”. Pretty sad. Looks like the lay people will have to do double-duty.

Thanks for responding.

mom4truth
Schools run by Opus Dei organizations are the best assurance of having a good Catholic education that is doctrinally faithful, etc. With diligent search, there should be one near your area. Perhaps a google search will do.
 
A few thoughts:
  1. All Catholic High Schools follow the usccb text conformity list found at the usccb website. Therefore, to claim they are not teaching Catholic doctrine and practice (we seem to forget the latter), is wrong. However, some teachers will supplement with other material. It appears some people’s beef with the lack of Catholic doctrine has nothing to do with text, but rather the teacher. And if you disagree with the approved texts (of which I have taught out of almost all), I suppose you could call or email the the usccb.
  2. SPORTS. Now before we complain about coaches or parents, let us realize that sports is what keeps families coming to Catholic schools. And as much as you may view that as the inherent problem, let us instead view sports not as the enemy but rather a moment of evangelization. Sports raises money for the school, puts the schools name in the media (hopefully if they are any good) and produces the largest alumni base who give back to the school. And I know countless coaches who view coaching as ministry and win state titles.
 
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