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Nicro,

Do you have any evidence or substantiation that Jihad watch is bigoted or racist or operated by KKK-types?

Is it just their rather vocal opposition to Islam that makes you say this or are you aware of their using hate speech or indulging in other racist behavior or talk?
 
Its a fact that they are all a bunch of white supremest rednecks. So yes they are stupid, and ignorant and white. Its when people do stuff like this that people wanna blow stuff up.
You are the pot calling the kettle black.

You are on on racist hate-monger.

You are the mirror-image of those you accuse.
 
Asalam Alaykum,

Dear brothers and Sisters,

I have not posted much but I do see a growing trend of hateful speach coming to this topic. 🤷 This has become unfruitful on both Islamic members and Christian members. Is this not your celebration of Advent celebrating the prince of peace. Why do you allow such hateful speech. I am only asking as I too was once Catholic and know that most are loving people. This is just my two cents. Please keep from personally attacking people. May your Advent be fruitful and peaceful.

humblest regards,
Ali
 
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Trajik has a valid point.

Those who are interested in contributing to the topic at hand should remember their charity and the rules of posting here that they argreed to when they registered at CAF.

God bless-

Rachel
 
Jihad watch is Jew watch but for Muslims. I guess Jew watch is good to right?
 
I want to say that I am sorry if I have contributed to any hate speach on this or any other thread. I have no intention of offending and I am not a hateful person. I want to learn and discuss decently.

Back to my earlier question. If all five major divisions of Islamic law call for the execution of any male apostate, how can we justify this with the no compulsion of religion text from the Koran. After all, the law is based on the Koran and the other writings. Please be decent everyone.
 
I think that law is based on the time. think about it, other Muslims helped you when your family turned you away, they fed you clothed you and gave you shelter and you just go and leave to come back later to fight them, but idk.
 
I think that law is based on the time. think about it, other Muslims helped you when your family turned you away, they fed you clothed you and gave you shelter and you just go and leave to come back later to fight them, but idk.
I can see that. As a rule, and I know that you are not in the Middle Eastern culture to answer this, would Muslims still hold to legal thoughts from 11 centuries ago? Can the application of the law change without altering the faith?
 
Wow I am growing tired of this. Why do you expect me to join your faith when all you do is mock me, and insult me? I will answer about Taqiyya. It is used to save yourself or families. Say like people are being killed for being Muslim, you can say you are not or say something about it to make it appealing to them. But most find it to be a bad thing and wont use it at all. And as for Jihadwatch, it is run by a bunch of ex kkk boys who want something to hate. I think I should start ignorant, stupid, white watch.
You say people are being killed for being muslim like it is presently an issue, is this true? if so who is killing the muslims?

When you look at it the only ones that are killing muslims are other muslims, and muslims are also killing Christians (those that are infidels to them).

There is a Catholic Church over in Jerusalem that a priest of ours visited once. He stated that the door was completely missing, and to his amazement he had to crawl through a hole barely big enough for him to enter. He asked why it was like this, and the answer was; every time there was a Mass being done, muslims would enter on horse back and start beheading people. That was why the door was completely removed.

As for Jihadwatch, everything that they speak of is the truth. I was unaware that ex muslims were allowed to become apart of KKK (not that all of those in jihadwatch are). The truth of the matter is that Muhammad who was a false prophet (Matthew7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.) and was a very violent man.

Unfortunately what I was taught in History class during my time in middle school and high school, was that the muslims were the victims during the time of the crusades. The sad thing about this is, that was totally incorrect. If the schools are teaching this, then where is the true historical documentation? and why aren’t they teaching it correctly?

At Jihadwatch they simply are bring forth these facts (facts that are being avoided). There are even some ex muslims that are involved. I understand why you would make such a statement, you are defending what you believe, and they pose somewhat of a threat.

Here is how Pope Urban II, when he called for the First Crusade at Clermont in 1095, described the outrages suffered by fellow Christians at the hands of the militant Mohammedans: The [the Mohammedan Turks] have invaded the lands of those Christians and have depopulated them by the sword, pillage, and fire; they have led away a part of the captives into their own country, and a part they have destroyed by cruel tortures… They circumcise the Christians, and the blood of the circumcision they either spread upon the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font. When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth, the victim falls prostrate upon the ground. Others they bind to a post and pierce with arrows. Others they compel to extend their necks and then, attacking them with naked swords, attempt to cut through the neck with a single blow. What shall I say of the abominable rape of the women? To speak of it is worse than to be silent… On whom therefore is the labor of avenging these wrongs and of recovering the this territory incumbent, if not upon you? As historian Marian Horvath puts it: “For mediaeval man, the Crusade was an act of piety and love of God and neighbor. But it was also a means of defending their world, their culture, their religion, and their way of life. Then, as today, men fight for what is most dear to them. Then, as today, it is the right thing to do.”

That is all I would like to say.

Take Care and God Bless
 
Muslims not being killed in modern times? Bosnia.
And there are other examples. This is one major issue: ALL faiths have people who are evil. Both sides need to accept that fact. Not all Muslims are evil, not all Christians are good. Not all Muslims want Christians and Jews dead.

My question is does the Koran give more than the option of Death or Tax to non-Muslims? And if there is to be no compulsion in religion, why kill Muslims who leave Islam and why not allow Christians to practice openly?
 
Well Christians are supposed to be able to practice openly. The Christian king of Ethiopia took in Muslims when they were being driven away by the pagans, so they were viewed as friends. But I dont have a very good answer for your other question, maybe someone else does?
 
Wow I am growing tired of this. Why do you expect me to join your faith when all you do is mock me, and insult me? I will answer about Taqiyya. It is used to save yourself or families. Say like people are being killed for being Muslim, you can say you are not or say something about it to make it appealing to them. But most find it to be a bad thing and wont use it at all. And as for Jihadwatch, it is run by a bunch of ex kkk boys who want something to hate. I think I should start ignorant, stupid, white watch.
Spencer? good guy-so are you saying Bob Spencer is a former member of the KKK? Come out and say it if you believe this!!!
Can you show me a newspaper article about this?

The evidence of Islamic persecution against Christians is STAGGERING. If you leave Islam you can’t talk about it openly without fear of retribution.I remember the guy in Afghanistan who converted and was sentenced to death. If a man converts to Islam no one bothers him with death threats. In Europe making public a conversion to Christianity could result in many death threats and
violence.

Re the muslim man who defended the Jews in the subway-God bless him and may a man like this be allowed to stay. I wonder how many people have criticized him at his mosque for defending the Jews.
 
Muslims not being killed in modern times? Bosnia.
And who was the defender, was it not the American forces? Did the christian majority countries condemned it? Who captured Slobodan Milosevic, the one who was responsible for the killing of the muslims in Bosnia?
 
The Christian king of Ethiopia took in Muslims when they were being driven away by the pagans, so they were viewed as friends.
Hi

I think the then King of Ehtiopia perhaps Najashi was his name, he was a Nazarine Christian as I understand and not a Catholic. We always remember that act of kindness of him and pray for him.

Any more information about him, would be welcome.

Thanks
 
Hmmm…ya I read some things on here and alot of people seem to get very…angry when it comes to Islam. But here is a question I have for christians: why do you say Allah is a different God than the One you worship when even Jesus called God by Allah?
Because we believe Muhammad is the author of the Quran, and not God!

Vickie
 
what happened to the decent talk? So many here want to express what is great about their relationship with God. This should be something that one can do without inflicting verbal harm on other people’s relationship with God.
 
And there are other examples. This is one major issue: ALL faiths have people who are evil. Both sides need to accept that fact. Not all Muslims are evil, not all Christians are good. Not all Muslims want Christians and Jews dead.

My question is does the Koran give more than the option of Death or Tax to non-Muslims? And if there is to be no compulsion in religion, why kill Muslims who leave Islam and why not allow Christians to practice openly?
**Thanks for acknowledging that there are good and bad people in all faiths. Your question about non-muslims living in Muslim countries needs to be undersood properly. Please remember that there is no such things as tax or death and there was no such thing in the old time too. There was no death at all. But there may be a challenge for war.

When some small state is lying between two major waring states, it becomes necessary to find out which side that small state will align. If that state agreed to align with Muslims in peace then they were asked to pay some kind of small tax as a token of co-operation and as a sign of alliance.

There is no harm in that. Otherwise it would be understood that state was neutral or aligned with the enemy. This tax will bind the Muslims that state will not be attacked by any one and will be protected by all means. It was a sort of protection tax. There was another very important reason to impose that tax which will be disclosed later on demand.**
 
Spencer? good guy-so are you saying Bob Spencer is a former member of the KKK? Come out and say it if you believe this!!!
Can you show me a newspaper article about this?

The evidence of Islamic persecution against Christians is STAGGERING. If you leave Islam you can’t talk about it openly without fear of retribution.I remember the guy in Afghanistan who converted and was sentenced to death. If a man converts to Islam no one bothers him with death threats. In Europe making public a conversion to Christianity could result in many death threats and
violence.

Re the muslim man who defended the Jews in the subway-God bless him and may a man like this be allowed to stay. I wonder how many people have criticized him at his mosque for defending the Jews.
**If any Muslim will attack any Jew or Christian to make lethal injury or if any muslim will see a Jew dying and will not protect / save him then he is not a muslim. That is for sure. A muslim should be ready to put his own life in danger to protect any innocent person. That Muslim who saved the life of the Jews was a brave man and should be highly respected.

Muslims should not harbor any ill feelings against the Jews or the christians. The political matters are different in each country. I do not talk about that.**
 
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