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I personally believe it to be immoral to force others through voting to assist me in my moment of distress. I do not want my neighbor forcibly burdened with my misfortune. There is nothing charitable about sending people to jail refuse to pay taxes to help me out. I personally think Christ is unimpressed by those whose only attempt to assist the less fortunate is voting for a political candidate promising government relief of the less fortunate. I’d be very grateful to those who of their own accord help me out in my hour of need.
 
Valus said:
“Idealism is the noble toga that political gentlemen drape over their will to power.”
~ Aldous Huxley

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
~ Albert Camus

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the
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Did you ever have to, as an adult, lay in bed for 8 hours in a dirty diaper due to a disability?

That is an example of what can happen if you have only the kindness of others to rely on.
 
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JMMJ said:
Did you ever have to, as an adult, lay in bed for 8 hours in a dirty diaper due to a disability?

That is an example of what can happen if you have only the kindness of others to rely on.
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Are you suggesting that care givers funded by the generosity of others cannot change a dirty diaper as well as government funded care givers?
 
No. I am suggesting that volunteers and organizations funded only by private donations are just that. They don’t guarantee care in the way tax funded initiatives can.

Accountability matters.
 
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No. I am suggesting that volunteers and organizations funded only by private donations are just that. They don’t guarantee care in the way tax funded initiatives can.

Accountability matters.
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Tax funded initiatives are subject to the political winds. A private donor can give anytime and can also ask for accountability as to how his or her donation is spent.
 
That has nothing to do with guaranteeing care for those who need it.

It seems we aren’t going to agree here. I like paying taxes to ensure living in a society where people can get the help they need, when they need it. No system is perfect, to be sure, but relying on the kindness of strangers is no safety net, IMO.
 
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Is what you mean we should force these Catholic in name only to step up and do their part by giving their money to worthy projects?
 
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FrankFletcher:
Hopefully with added years comes wisdom.
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Frank, my state permits indoor dining and outdoor activities. The people I’m with are all well aware of the risks and we all partake in the same activities. All members of my immediate family are the same way. I’m compliant and don’t require or need your approval.
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Others in your circle behave the same way, ergo your actions are justified. There’s just a wealth of fallacies here today.

If nothing else, I’ll point out that the person who started this thread doesn’t “require or need your approval” either, yet you felt it necessary to shame him or her immediately. At least we got the reference to “whining” removed.

I believe the customary move now is to tell you I’m muting you and/or this thread.
 
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I suppose it depends on what kind of help, and how much, is needed. I wouldn’t feel secure at all relying on the kindness of strangers to keep a roof over my head or my diapers changed if I was disabled.
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I don’t think that anything is truly secure in this world, except the love of our Lord. Perhaps our insecurities are gifts from God designed to draw us nearer to Him as we recognize our reliance upon Him.
 
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Little comfort to the person in the soiled diaper, I am afraid.
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There are many biographical and autobiographical accounts which testify that it is indeed comforting.
You might enjoy perusing the lives of the saints. We are all called to sanctity and many have found that turning to God in their difficulties has proven helpful to them.
 
Doesn’t solve the problem at hand, though. Someone in a dirty diaper isn’t really interested in philosophy at that moment.

I get the impression you haven’t spent much time around people with this sort of issue.
 
JMMJ said:
I get the impression you haven’t spent much time around people with this sort of issue.
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That’s because you are making assumptions.
I have both family and employment experience in this area.
 
Well that makes such an attitude towards the subject that much worse. Compassion is what matters, IMO.
 
JMMJ said:
Well that makes such an attitude towards the subject that much worse. Compassion is what matters, IMO.
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Check your assumptions, please.
There are many ways of being compassionate. I care very much about my brothers and sisters, both body and soul and am active in providing support to people with the problems you are referencing, both family members and non-family members.
 
Well we won’t agree on methods for delivering that compassion. As someone who has been in the situation I discussed, I can tell you I wouldn’t have appreciated being told to read up on the saints while my skin was being assaulted with feces. Lucky for me, I was able to have my care paid for with private insurance, and the incident was isolated to a one-time occurance . Other people in the facility weren’t so lucky, but they had government support (yes, paid with tax dollars) that met their needs nicely.

I am too happy to pay my taxes for them to receive care without being lectured to about the suffering of saints.
 
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That has nothing to do with guaranteeing care for those who need it.
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Yes. Well Canada guarantees care for needed surgery. The only problem is that you are not guaranteed treatment right away. For orthopedic surgery, for example, you have to wait about 42 weeks. Guaranteed care in 42 weeks may not help too much as you could be dead by the time they get to your number on the list.
 
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