A Glimpse of Purgatory?

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I’m a convert to the Catholic faith, I’ve been Catholic for 13 years now. I spent my youth and young adult years in all kinds of churches, Non Denominational/Fundamentalist (most of my childhood), Pentacostal, Baptist, Assemblies of God, Methodist…

I must admit I was puzzled when I heard Catholic people say they “hoped” for heaven…that it was a sin of presumption to say “I’m saved. I’m going to heaven.” At first, I couldn’t see how it was a presumptous thought. From my earliest days I’d been taught that you believe in Jesus as the Son of God, that He died and rose again for our sins—and that was all you needed. Passport to heaven assured.

As I have grown in my faith, however, I realize that sin is much more insidious than I’d thought. It is like an invasive weed that needs to be pulled out and it keeps growing back again and again, tendrils of that viney weed always wanting to sneak in. We can never get to the very root of that weed to kill it, because we have original sin, and this world is steeped in it. It would be like saying, “Swim in the ocean but don’t get wet.” It permeates this world and we can never be totally free of it here. We have to be vigilant, we have to WORK to stay close to God, to be on guard from sin and the effects of sin. It is a constant task to try to sin as little as possible. It is not a one and done proposition. We cannot simply ask to be saved and that’s the end of it. We are to take up the cross DAILY, to follow Him.

We need to be saved. We do need to know that Jesus is Lord, that He died for our sins, that He rose again and conquered death. Atonement is necessary, however. It’s not optional. God gives us the great MERCY of Purgatory. We are forgiven. We have to be purified so we can meet God, because we cannot come before Him as we are.

I don’t believe Protestants are guilty of the sin of presumption. They don’t presume anything on their own…they truely believe that they ask to be forgiven, and that is all that required.

I am not scared of dying. I place myself at God’s mercy. I pray and try not to sin. I fail many times, but I know God is there for me, He has provided a way for me to be with Him eternally. I try to follow this way as closely as I can and I know that even if I am not perfect He will make me perfect someday as long as I love Him and try my best. “Love covers a multitude of sins.”

If I only had 30 minutes before death, I think I 'd thank God profusely for the 30 minutes and spend that time in prayer, begging for pardon and appealing to God’s great mercy. What a GIFT a heads up of 30 minutes would be!!!
 
With 30 minutes notice, I would attend a mass (a fast one hopefully) and receive communion at the Shrine of Our Lady, go to confession, and say a prayer for our Pope. Thereby fulfilling the requirements to receive a full plenary indulgence. Then I would say goodbye to my family and friends reminding them that I love them all.

And in my last breath, I would say Jesus, King of divine mercy, I trust in You.
 
I understand what you write,…
For me, I must not go away from the reason why Jesus came ,that is to spread the good news,open to all Faiths, to clarify , yes open to ALL faiths ,by this I mean to accept Jesus firstly in repentance and forgiveness by a repentant Heart,then becoming a New person in Christ giving up the old way of life ,which includes what one believed first .One true LIVING God one Jesus ,The way the Truth and the Life.
We are talking past each other. For the sake of this conversation, I will assume that you are not getting this information from Jesus directly. But, rather, are taking it from “The Bible.” As you say…
…I need not go on just one reason why I will not be labelled any denomination ,I believe the Bible ,I believe in what Jesus came for and his word,I cannot and will not argue ,I know my Salvation is secured…
However, there is not an agreement on what is, “The Bible.” Some have different books. Thus, people have to submit themselves to an authority to determine what is truth.

I’m curious about how you reconcile that you are two things at once. 1st - you are an island dependent upon nothing but Christ alone. 2nd - you rely upon material (written by a person) to teach you about how you can rely upon Christ alone. But, there are so many different materials out there written by so many people. How does one choose, being an independent island, which person is writing the authentic Word of God? It makes me very curious.

I wonder if people are getting tired of me asking this because I keep asking it every chance I get. I’m really quite curious about it because I don’t get it. It seems like the 1st and 2nd conditions are orthogonal. If you could help me out, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!
 
We are talking past each other. For the sake of this conversation, I will assume that you are not getting this information from Jesus directly. But, rather, are taking it from “The Bible.” As you say…

However, there is not an agreement on what is, “The Bible.” Some have different books. Thus, people have to submit themselves to an authority to determine what is truth.

I’m curious about how you reconcile that you are two things at once. 1st - you are an island dependent upon nothing but Christ alone. 2nd - you rely upon material (written by a person) to teach you about how you can rely upon Christ alone. But, there are so many different materials out there written by so many people. How does one choose, being an independent island, which person is writing the authentic Word of God? It makes me very curious.

I wonder if people are getting tired of me asking this because I keep asking it every chance I get. I’m really quite curious about it because I don’t get it. It seems like the 1st and 2nd conditions are orthogonal. If you could help me out, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!
No problem:)
I have the E.S.V Study Bible.
I Know a person from the Lebanon who became a Christian,who naturally understands Hebrew .What was said then means different things in some translations today. The main thing for me is believing 2 tim ch 3 V’s 16-17, I naturally attend church Sundays ,of any denomination that professes the word of God, I am happy where I am at present.🙂
 
I’m a convert to the Catholic faith, I’ve been Catholic for 13 years now. I spent my youth and young adult years in all kinds of churches, Non Denominational/Fundamentalist (most of my childhood), Pentacostal, Baptist, Assemblies of God, Methodist…

I must admit I was puzzled when I heard Catholic people say they “hoped” for heaven…that it was a sin of presumption to say “I’m saved. I’m going to heaven.” At first, I couldn’t see how it was a presumptous thought. From my earliest days I’d been taught that you believe in Jesus as the Son of God, that He died and rose again for our sins—and that was all you needed. Passport to heaven assured.

As I have grown in my faith, however, I realize that sin is much more insidious than I’d thought. It is like an invasive weed that needs to be pulled out and it keeps growing back again and again, tendrils of that viney weed always wanting to sneak in. We can never get to the very root of that weed to kill it, because we have original sin, and this world is steeped in it. It would be like saying, “Swim in the ocean but don’t get wet.” It permeates this world and we can never be totally free of it here. We have to be vigilant, we have to WORK to stay close to God, to be on guard from sin and the effects of sin. It is a constant task to try to sin as little as possible. It is not a one and done proposition. We cannot simply ask to be saved and that’s the end of it. We are to take up the cross DAILY, to follow Him.

We need to be saved. We do need to know that Jesus is Lord, that He died for our sins, that He rose again and conquered death. Atonement is necessary, however. It’s not optional. God gives us the great MERCY of Purgatory. We are forgiven. We have to be purified so we can meet God, because we cannot come before Him as we are.

I don’t believe Protestants are guilty of the sin of presumption. They don’t presume anything on their own…they truely believe that they ask to be forgiven, and that is all that required.

I am not scared of dying. I place myself at God’s mercy. I pray and try not to sin. I fail many times, but I know God is there for me, He has provided a way for me to be with Him eternally. I try to follow this way as closely as I can and I know that even if I am not perfect He will make me perfect someday as long as I love Him and try my best. “Love covers a multitude of sins.”

If I only had 30 minutes before death, I think I 'd thank God profusely for the 30 minutes and spend that time in prayer, begging for pardon and appealing to God’s great mercy. What a GIFT a heads up of 30 minutes would be!!!
👍 I don’t think many people understand the way you do to what extent Purgatory is a testament of God’s great mercy, as you put it yourself. I think I can learn a thing or two from you. I think you have a great way of explaining things in a deep yet simple way. Have you considered becoming a catechumen?
 
Thank you for your compliments! Is a catechumen one who learns or one who teaches?

I still have a great deal to learn, for sure.
 
👍 I don’t think many people understand the way you do to what extent Purgatory is a testament of God’s great mercy, as you put it yourself. I think I can learn a thing or two from you. I think you have a great way of explaining things in a deep yet simple way. Have you considered becoming a catechumen?
Hi, I will say I do admire one’s Faith,
Yes it is not escapable ,we all die,the point for my belief,is that Jesus died for my Sins ,I still believe in what the torn curtain meant at Christ’s death,it is not for me just forgiveness of my sins ,it is a continual thing for forgiveness, I know by Jesus resurrection that I will live again by all Jesus said ,he will not take away our free will,otherwise we become puppets, he ask’s that we Love him and I Mean Him Jesus, FIRST and foremost ,even more than my wife,
I need not go on as it would take a while to explain, I mainly believe in the promise ,even to the man next to him on his cross, today you will be with me in paradise, and Who ever calls upon my name even in the Last hour will be saved, This is my belief, for me. When we die the truth will be out, if I am wrong you win ,I am assured in my body and my soul and have the peace of God in me which even though trials come ,Jesus said I am there with you, I will never leave you, ,I know where I am going ,do you, if you do not believe in God’s promise of eternal life , then carry one ,I cannot knock what you believe and if possible comforts you,I am at peace,what ever happens man can destroy me, only God has control of my Soul which no man can take away, you may say I am crazy , fine, at least I live in the knowledge of God’s Love for me. and the more I know of Jesus and His Love for me a sinner the more peace in my Heart I have, I can thank the Lord for his saviour and his forgiveness through his death . I know and believe in what I know ,can you have that assurance? All I will say is that while I live I will profess Jesus and His Love for all .God LOVES the Sinner , Not the Sin…
That is me …so please do not take offence , you have you faith I have the spirit of God with me ,if I am crazy then I will need to be more crazy ,until you come to Jesus first and put Him first you may never know his Love for you.
Peace and the Love of Jesus to all. 🙂
 
Hi, I will say I do admire one’s Faith,
Yes it is not escapable ,we all die,the point for my belief,is that Jesus died for my Sins ,I still believe in what the torn curtain meant at Christ’s death,it is not for me just forgiveness of my sins ,it is a continual thing for forgiveness,
It is a shame you are not reading the posts in this thread.

Otherwise you would know by now that the notion you argue against is untrue.
 
God, for whatever reason, refuses to write things down for us. People write things. People publish books. People have different opinions. People have different versions of “God’s word”.

To “believe in God’s word”, one must FIRST believe a person has the authentic Word of God.

“Bible is truth” - can you tell me which person (for you as a non-conformist) has the authority to assert the authentic Word of God? I’m really curious about that. For example, how does one really know that the full text of the bible is really authentic. For example, maybe some writings from the Essenes should be consider authentic - who’s to say?

It is actually right on top of the topic for this thread. Lucky for me, I’m able to lean on the Magesterium to look at these kinds of things and make a ruling under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is my assumption that a non-conformist would be on their own to determine everything for themselves.
Well said:)
 
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