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Justin_Swanton
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Nice, but one needs to keep in mind that the Argentinian bishops have already brought out the definitive interpretation - as least the part about giving Communion to sexually active remarried divorcees - and that interpretation has been officially endorsed by the Pope.
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Fiasco
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Good on the “Register” and the authors! A great interview from a totally orthodox perspective, and a welcome development.
But the handbook has no authority, so the dissenters won’t take any notice of it will they, unless directly ordered to…doesn’t seem likely!
Justin:
You posted while i was typing/procrastinating, and:
Good point.
But the handbook has no authority, so the dissenters won’t take any notice of it will they, unless directly ordered to…doesn’t seem likely!
Justin:
You posted while i was typing/procrastinating, and:
Good point.
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Ad_Orientem
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What does “officially endorsed” mean? The holy father’s letter to Mons. Fenoy, to be sure, is significant, but it is not the same as if the Holy See issued an official clarification addressed to the whole Church.
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Justin_Swanton
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Officially endorsed - the Pope has written a letter as Pope, signed it as Pope, and said this:
The document is very good and completely explains the meaning of chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia. There are no other interpretations.
Said letter was confirmed by the Vatican as authentic once it was published by the press. It has not been corrected or withdrawn since then. That makes it in practice a public clarification.
It’s difficult to get more official than this unless the Pope brings out something like a Bull or a similar decree. It certainly gives the Argentinian bishops more weight than anything produced by anyone else.
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Stat_Crux
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In the absence of anything definitive or more official which endorses this liberal interpretation, or anything definitive which resolves the inherant contradictions in such an interpretation, I would think it far firmer ground to stick to the definitive teaching we have already been given on this subject and which hasn’t been rescinded:
Familiaris Consortio
Veritatis Splendor
Casti Connubii
2,000 years of rich pastoral theology
The words of our Lord and Saviour.
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ChurchSoldier
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If this is the case, it should be of grave concern to all Roman Catholics. As I have stated before, the lack of clarity is a tool to allow those who want to change Church teaching to implement the changes under the ambiguity of lack of official response, such as answering the Dubia. Once instituted they will, as has already happened, label those who uphold orthodoxy as disreputable and uncharitable.
To see how this plays out, read the history of the (US) Episcopal Church of the last 100 years.
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Justin_Swanton
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Yes, absolutely 100% agree. Never thought otherwise.
The point about the AL controversy is that after Argentina it will need a Pope to lay it to rest.
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Wedge_Antilles
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That will not happen in this Pontificate, I don’t believe. There seems to be little desire for clarity or laying it to rest.Yes, absolutely 100% agree. Never thought otherwise.
The point about the AL controversy is that after Argentina it will need a Pope to lay it to rest.
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TMC
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Why would we not listen to the author of AL on its proper interpretation, especially given that he is the Pope?
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Randolph
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I am now convinced that they do have ground hog days in the twilight zone… This would be good material for a Hitchcock episode.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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TMC
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It seems obvious to me that the Pope does not think that AL “goes against the way the Church does things.” It also seems to me that his interpretation is the one that is binding.
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TMC
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Hmmm, I’m sure the Pope would be interested in learning that you have determined that he has lost teaching authority.
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ProdigalSun
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The Pope has never lost teaching autority. He can not teach against the churches official teaching. The Church teaches that anyone in a state of mortal sin (in this case adultery) should not present themselves for HOly Communion. This has been verified by the last two Popes.Pope Francis can not teach differently, without a complete explantion and that leaves mass confusion for the faithful. This is not his teaching Authority.
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St_Francis
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I have done no such thing.
Let me ask you this: all along and still, I have agreed with what St John Paul II taught in Familiaris Consortio. Pope Francis has proposed something which on the face of it, seems to contradict what was taught in FC. I can either agree with what one pope said, or what the other pope said, but not both. What am I to do?
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Stat_Crux
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He has not lost his teaching authority nor his deserving of our patience and respect.
He has also not exercised the infallibility of his office, in having chosen to not define a matter of faith and morals or by formally binding Catholics to a particular interpretation of AL (either orthodox or unorthodox). Indeed at the start of Amoris Laetitia he even says that pastoral ideas “do not always require the intervention of the Magisterium”.
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Thomas_White
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Yes, but AL raises the question of whether or not a person is in the state of mortal sin by reason of adultery. I think that it does has been largely overlooked or ignored in much of the discussion of AL.
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