A Jesuit's attack of the Pope

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A Church in Search of Itself

Benedict XVI and the Battle for the Future

By Robert Blair Kaiser

KNOPF; 288 PAGES; $25.95

But I finally left the church in spring. The reason: the election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger by the College of Cardinals to assume the papacy after the death of Pope John Paul II. To millions of Catholics like me, the new Benedict XVI represents a step back into the darkness, away from the light of ecumenism, of giving the faithful a greater voice in running the church. Away from a church of love.

These Catholics have floundered in desperation since Benedict’s election, but we finally have our gospel: “A Church in Search of Itself: Benedict XVI and the Battle for the Future,” by Robert Blair Kaiser.

Kaiser, a Jesuit turned journalist, embarks on a two-pronged project and expertly interweaves both angles. One is a thorough retelling of two millennia of Roman Catholic history: the major schisms, popes, reforms and problems right up to discussions among the cardinals sequestered inside the Sistine Chapel, discussions no one else is supposed to hear.

Gustavo Arellano is a staff writer with OC Weekly, where he covers the Catholic Diocese of Orange.

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As fas as I am concern, this person is just another Modernist dissenter who did not get his way. :yawn:

PF
 
And some people wonder why some of use have issues with the Jesuits.
 
MezmerTheMage said:
[discussions among the cardinals sequestered inside the Sistine Chapel, discussions no one else is supposed to hear.
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Then, why is he writing about them?

“Modernist dissenter” is right.

Someone should seriously start a thread in which the question is whether the Society of Jesus has finally had the proverbial biscuit as a bone fide Catholic order.
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ByzCath:
And some people wonder why some of use have issues with the Jesuits.
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I concur,

Its very probable he’s not the only Jesuit with like-minded ideas and attitudes toward Pope Benedict or how the Catholic Church should be. Though if they be so inclined in this way, I think it is better for all (including them) that they leave. And I also suspect many are remaining in the fold only for their pensions and retirement benefits.

Right after the council many left the Church because there was too much change, now they leave because there is not enough change.
 
This goes to show you that if you scream it loud enough and long enough that people will believe it. Old prejudices die, but lies never do.
 
To millions of Catholics like me, the new Benedict XVI represents a step back into the darkness, away from the light of ecumenism, of giving the faithful a greater voice in running the church. Away from a church of love.
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He doesn’t know the first thing about the Pope.
 
i’ll agree. He doesn’t know a thing about the pope then! His Holiness Benedict XVI is a very loving and holy pontiff and has grabbed my heart from the minute of the “Habemus Papam!”
 
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He doesn’t know the first thing about the Pope.
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I think this guy was doing the dope when writing this article. Either that or he’s just short on brains.
 
But I finally left the church in spring. The reason: the election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger by the College of Cardinals to assume the papacy after the death of Pope John Paul II. **To millions of Catholics like me, the new Benedict XVI represents a step back ** into the darkness, away from the light of ecumenism, of giving the faithful a greater voice in running the church. Away from a church of love.
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Millions? :confused: What is this nonsense?
 
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And some people wonder why some of use have issues with the Jesuits.
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ByzCath:

I actually know an orthodox Jesuit - He’s a former student of the Pope! 👍

The persecution the man has faced from his comrades has been incredible! 😦

Pope John Paul wanted them to submit to their local Ordinaries, and they refused.

I saw a lot of young people who were very enthusiastic about Pope Benedict XVI, because they know that he standsfor something and that’s he’s not going t compromise just to compromise.

As Cardinal Ratzinger, he was Pope John Paul II’s point man in negotiating with the TAC. Almost every structure we have that works was suggesed by the then Cardinal Ratzinger.

Why didn’t that former Jesuit ask a few TAC members what they thought about Pope Benedict XVI? Could it be that he was afraid that some of my comrades would have expressed more than a little GRATITUDE and APPRECIATION?

Tell that former Jesuit that Jesus really has risen from the dead, that the Church hasn’t gotten it wrong for the last 1960 years, and that maybe he and his friends are the ones who are mistaken.

In Christ, Michael
 
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I think this guy was doing the dope when writing this article. Either that or he’s just short on brains.
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Bones:

My back’s been REALLY killing me. Do you think you could get me some of whatever he was taking?

Anything that would cause someone to think that what he said was true has got to be stronger than what the pain clinic has been giving me.

Michael
 
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Bones:

My back’s been REALLY killing me. Do you think you could get me some of whatever he was taking?

Anything that would cause someone to think that what he said was true has got to be stronger than what the pain clinic has been giving me.

Michael
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lol
 
I followed the link and read the book hype. I can’t see enough reason to buy the book.

B-16 was elected in a short conclave. I don’t think that there was much will to make a major change of direction. I suppose there will be more talk and speculation this week when the new cardinals get their hats.

At his age, Benedict has to get on with any agenda he may have. And, he’d better have the cardinals to back it up.

He’s supposed to revise the Curia. He’s had a long time to take a look at it, so it shouldn’t take too long to shake it out.

This Jesuit’s lament over a lack of lay participation and empowerment is interesting. It’ll never happen. In any organization that I’ve ever examined, there’s an inner circle of people jockeying for influence. It exists right now in my parish and in my diocese. I’m too outspoken to ever get into one of those groups. Those groups are pretty outspoken, themselves, by the way.

I know of local politicians who are addicted to power and influence who are in those groups. Gee, a know a guy who is real nice. He runs a flower shop and has a virtual monopoly on supplying flowers to our church. Is it no wonder that he is on the parish council and other committees? The same sort of thing happens with members of the local municipal council. Their names show up when they are running for office or in office. They prominently serve as EME’s or readers while they are in power, then they disappear.

Somebody wants to throw the doors open on that to every opportunist who is out there? We already have lay participation right there in the pews every Sunday. do we really want to encourage the emergence of political parties within the church? Oh, boy, here we go. Look at how successfully Iraq is dealing with that.
 
MezmerTheMage said:
A Church in Search of Itself

Benedict XVI and the Battle for the Future

By Robert Blair Kaiser

KNOPF; 288 PAGES; $25.95

But I finally left the church in spring. The reason: the election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger by the College of Cardinals to assume the papacy after the death of Pope John Paul II. To millions of Catholics like me, the new Benedict XVI represents a step back into the darkness, away from the light of ecumenism, of giving the faithful a greater voice in running the church. Away from a church of love.
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Sounds like Protestantism to me.  If things don't go the way you like, you leave.  Anyone who does this was never a true Catholic IMO.  The Holy Spirit will not allow the Pope to err in anything he does Ex Cathedra.  You don't have to like him but you do have to follow him or you are not Catholic.
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MezmerTheMage:
To millions of Catholics like me, the new Benedict XVI represents a step back into the darkness…Away from a church of love.
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I can imagine a confident author just a couple months ago… final draft is away, cover art is being laid out, book tour dates pencilled in – and then the pope releases Deus Caritas Est – author puts head in hands to sooth suddenly building headache. :banghead:
 
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