A Latino pope : a problem for USA?

[EssentialBeing]

Marx never put anyone to death, or anything like that, but he created a very seductive philosophy that has turned everything it ever touched to rot.

Marxs & Engels philosophy is better know as “historical materialism” & is a very important part of our modern history. The materialist philosophy has been mainly hidden, suppressed even labeled as USELESS, it has not been properly studied by western academia in any great depth…

As the 2 opposing ends of a battery they combine to generate power, could we say that Adam Smith was also ROT as capitalism also has many downsides?

Both philosophies, when given a chance actually moderate each other as too much of one thing is never good.

 

[EssentialBeing]

But as you know with a lack of money it is very difficult to have the life you want to have, the insecurities to a non steady job or unployement are stressful.

Even with all the money it may still be very difficult even impossible to have the life you want.
It is how modern society’s function where money translates to food, shelter & so much more, but this is because we are intertwined in ways that make it very difficult to escape.

I do realize the things that are at stake (livelihoods, education, health, shelter, nutrition, just to name a few), I only propose that our heavy reliance on money causes us to feel a sense of helplessness & loose the ability & or knowledge to live without so much reliance on it.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to alleviate our dependence on money.

I am not suggesting it is easy or even possible for so many, but then again this is where the difference is. OUR ABILITY TO CHANGE OUR WAYS

 

[HomeschoolDad]

As the 2 opposing ends of a battery they combine to generate power, could we say that Adam Smith was also ROT as capitalism also has many downsides?

Both philosophies, when given a chance actually moderate each other as too much of one thing is never good.

Unbridled, unfettered capitalism — cold-blooded, soulless Randian-type objectivism where making money is the be-all and end-all of human existence — also leads to spiritual rot, even if there is great material prosperity.

As with all things, truth and virtue are found in the middle — virtus in medio stat.

 

[EssentialBeing]

Absolutely right the 'balance" is most important as anything to its extreme is bad.

 

[Jbrady]

but I have yet to meet a Filipino who can speak Spanish.

There aren’t very many. They are called Chabacanos, and there are two groups, one from Cavite near Manila, and one from western Mindanao. I used to work with one from Cavite.

The dialect is an archaic form of Spanish heavily loaded with words from Tagalog (or Cebuano in Mindanao). They sorta bounce between the two languages, sometimes speaking almost pure Spanish, and sometimes speaking almost pure Tagalog. You really have to know both languages very well to make complete sense of it.

 

[mythbuster1]

For the Pope to say we should venerate the poor because they are poor is wrong. Jesus blesses poverty caused by righteousness and poverty which produces righteousness, but being poor does not automatically make you righteous.

 

[mythbuster1]

That photo is nothing, but we do take offense at being rebuked for wanting law and order on the border.

 

[Ridgerunner]

If you go to Paris to smell the intellectual culture, you should have to go where she is, theaters, conferences, museums, libraries. The places are various.

Do they still hang out in the bar at the Ritz?

money is less a goal in itself than in America.

I could imagine that. In America, people pay for most things themselves; higher education, much of healthcare, much of retirement. As a consequence, money has to be more of a goal than in places where so much of life is paid for by the government

And of course, in France, average earnings are considerably lower than in America, so perhaps it balances out.

could we say that Adam Smith was also ROT as capitalism also has many downsides?

I think we definitely can, but not for that reason. Smith was every bit as much a historical determinist as Marx was. Just in a different way.

Randian-type objectivism where making money is the be-all and end-all of human existence

Ayn Rand certainly was a cold-hearted person if one judges her by her philosophy, but in her philosophy, money was deifnitely not the end all and be all. Definitely not.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Interesting.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

Randian-type objectivism where making money is the be-all and end-all of human existence

Ayn Rand certainly was a cold-hearted person if one judges her by her philosophy, but in her philosophy, money was deifnitely not the end all and be all. Definitely not.

Well, that’s the vibe I picked up. I got about one-third of the way through Atlas Shrugged (I had to read it in very, very small doses, over a long period of time, it’s just too dense) and I finally threw up my hands, said “I give up!” — she went into such minute detail about everything that (no unkindness intended here) it was like reading something written by a person with Asperger syndrome or high-functioning autism. AS is a major time investment, and I found that you almost have to shut down a portion of your brain, to soak it all in. Her character depictions were kind of stilted, almost cartoonish. It is as though you are not even reading about real people.

However, the movie (the first one) was outstanding, and Taylor Schilling was put on this earth to play Dagny Taggart.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’m considered conservative by most, but to me, Ayn Rand was a “one trick pony”. She worshiped talent and effort in any walk of life and despised bureaucracy and any form of rewarding incompetence through political means. She fled the Soviet Union as a young woman and hated the Soviet system with a passion. But her “heroes” and “heroines” aren’t necessarily rewarded financially, though some are. With her it’s more a matter of recognizing excellence. “Reward” might be monetary, but it might simply be recognition or acceptance.

But she never gets beyond development of that one theme in her works. Not to be mean, but her characterizations are lame, as you said, and her plots are almost silly. But she did say one thing worthwhile in an era in which communism was being romanticized by the “cognoscenti”.

 

[BornInMarch]

On the other hand, because in the eyes of François, the United States is not the center of the world but a country like any other.

The problem is that no Pope came from the United States yet. Prior to Francis they all came from the Old World, usually from Europe. I don’t think Europeans have an America-centric worldview.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

I’m considered conservative by most, but to me, Ayn Rand was a “one trick pony”. She worshiped talent and effort in any walk of life and despised bureaucracy and any form of rewarding incompetence through political means. She fled the Soviet Union as a young woman and hated the Soviet system with a passion. But her “heroes” and “heroines” aren’t necessarily rewarded financially, though some are. With her it’s more a matter of recognizing excellence. “Reward” might be monetary, but it might simply be recognition or acceptance.

But she never gets beyond development of that one theme in her works. Not to be mean, but her characterizations are lame, as you said, and her plots are almost silly. But she did say one thing worthwhile in an era in which communism was being romanticized by the “cognoscenti”.

I quite agree. It is as though she had an obsession, and kept hammering away at it relentlessly. Her prose is so leaden, and every microscopic detail is described in a way I found kind of bizarre. Maybe it’s a Russian thing — they are very meticulous, thorough people, and I have found that in eastern Europe in general, there is a greater tolerance for detail, than in the hurry-up, bottom-line West.

I find the plot of AS far from silly, but again, her characters seem kind of stilted and robotic. The movie was able to get around this, at least up to a point.

 

[Anicette]

Anicette:

If you go to Paris to smell the intellectual culture, you should have to go where she is, theaters, conferences, museums, libraries. The places are various.

Do they still hang out in the bar at the Ritz?

The Ritz is a very luxious hotel restaurant. I just check on the internet the price, and see how it is expensive, it can be only very upper class society. Intellectuals peole are not always that rich. It would say more, unless a small majority of them, it ius very diffucult to live only with your vrain creativity such as a writter. Many bars and cafés are more cheap.

Anicette:

money is less a goal in itself than in America.

I could imagine that. In America, people pay for most things themselves; higher education, much of healthcare, much of retirement. As a consequence, money has to be more of a goal than in places where so much of life is paid for by the government

I agree.

And of course, in France, average earnings are considerably lower than in America, so perhaps it balances out.

I agree with the reserve that people who earn a low salary are certainely in a worst economic situation in America than in France. As they have to pay for “most things themselves”. And lower salaries may be lower than in France considered many criterias.

 

[Angannas]

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Or it could be a translation problem because English is not his first language.

English was not the first language of any pope, But, only Francis seems to be getting lost in translation.

Except for Adrian VI, who was English**

 

[Johann_du_Toit]

Oh come on. Pope Francis is more Italian than his two predecessors combined.

While one might argue that a some of the criticism the Pope received from conservative and Traditional Catholics borders on uncharitable (especially from the Sede trolls and Resignationists, who all belong in an asylum in my opinion), to simply dismiss it by playing the race card is a cheap and morally bankrupt stunt.

Virtually all the trads who are very critical of Pope Francis would dance in the streets if Cardinal Sarah were elected Pope, so ethnicity is for the most part irrelevant.