A letter from a woman in Hell

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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Yeah, there are people who reject God, and they may very well do it at deaths door too (a truly terrifying thought to me, but…)
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i can totally see the whole business about how the way you habitually thought and acted throughout your life will be the way you think and act when you die. If you always believed in God, you’d probably run straight to God or Jesus if you saw them. If you weren’t sure, but in the back of your mind you really didn’t reject God and were open to the possibility of Him but just had some doubt, you’ll probably throw yourself on God’s mercy. If, on the other hand, you have spent years and years actively hating on God or actively rejecting God, you’re not suddenly going to change your ways just because you died and He showed up.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
the main point of these stories is not for us to sit around and determine their truth, but rather to think about the possibility of us going to Purgatory or Hell
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Bingo.

Whether or not these kinds of letters are true or not is not my place to say.

However, after reading this letter the second time (I have already seen it years ago), the first thing I did was pray one Our Father, three Hail Mary’s, one Glory Be, and the Fatima Prayer.

I think they are written primarily to inspire people to right living and prayer, and if it does that, I am not going to quarrel over it as long as it doesn’t promote downright heretical ideas.
 
Unfortunately, much of Catholic history since the Reformation, has been a focus on purgatory and hell to the point of hope of going to heaven has been lost.

Jesus spoke more about the Kingdom of Heaven than he did about hell.

Jesus came to save us, not condemn us to hell. This is the faith we should have, especially today, Divine Mercy Sunday.

Jim
 
The four last things: death, judgement, heaven, and hell must all be taught.

However, I think too many people have an automatic presumption that they will be in heaven. It helps that there be a reminder that there is always the possibility that we may be counted among the lost if we ignore the King’s will to the end.

But I look to heaven above and the Beatific Vision which God has promised to those who love Him to the end. After making Holy Confession, then I be sure to receive Holy Communion as soon as possible, which brings us closer to God and is a source of sanctifying grace.
 
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John 11:25-26 “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.

Romans 8:38-39 “For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

1 John 5:11-13 “And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

I have hope of salvation because I have faith in Jesus Christ.

JIm
 
Deliberately missing your Sunday obligation is not a petty sin. It is grave matter and can be mortally sinful.
 
Well, God knows everything, and so presumably He’d know that many even here on this website would find the contents spiritually edifying.

Also, she had prayed regarding her soul, and now she knows what happened to her.
 
But you wouldn’t know their culpability, God would. And they themselves might. We do not know the workings of a heart.
The letter itself relays multiple examples of disregarding God’s Grace. I do not think that anyone who comes from a bad background is guaranteed salvation if they repeatedly turn down God’s Grace.
 
It doesn’t strike me as very egotistic. If viewed from the standpoint of being true.

Some revelations seem to be commending the commendable in other examples.
 
PetraG said:
I mean the full name of the religious sister to whom the dream is attributed, the convent in which she lived, and so on, not the place you found this on the internet.
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You probably won’t find a lot of information on the convent and names. My bet is that when this was first published, the author had to be discreet because we’re dealing with reputations here. The reputation of the family and even the woman in the letter. Maybe even the family of the nun didn’t want names or particular locations involved so as to not get too much attention. We may never know.

But, if you happen to do some digging and find anything I would be interested in seeing what you find.
 
Kei said:
But you wouldn’t know their culpability, God would. And they themselves might. We do not know the workings of a heart.
The letter itself relays multiple examples of disregarding God’s Grace. I do not think that anyone who comes from a bad background is guaranteed salvation if they repeatedly turn down God’s Grace.
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Much of our understanding of culpability comes from society. From an understanding of psycology she couldn’t be held accountable for the ways she “denied” God’s grace.

To me, it’s clearly a misdirected work of pious fiction based strongly on the very ignorant understanding of sin and responsbility at the time.
 
I’d be careful not to place this at the feet of the Protestants, Jim.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
Much of our understanding of culpability comes from society. From an understanding of psycology she couldn’t be held accountable for the ways she “denied” God’s grace.
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And you make this call upon what? If you want to, you can try to go down the list and try to explain how she wasn’t culpable for them. But I think many today are too quick to apply mitigating factors when they cannot see one’s heart like God can.
Judgement is God’s alone.

She was treated well by her father but her mother was not. Perhaps this would present some trauma. However, after this she created her own god, made an idol of a man, loved the material things, lost love for everyone having only affections for those who aided her, stopped praying, knew full well what she was getting into, ran away from God’s love, etc., etc.
 
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Kei said:
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
Much of our understanding of culpability comes from society. From an understanding of psycology she couldn’t be held accountable for the ways she “denied” God’s grace.
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And you make this call upon what? If you want to, you can try to go down the list and try to explain how she wasn’t culpable for them. But I think many today are too quick to apply mitigating factors when they cannot see one’s heart like God can.
Judgement is God’s alone.
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I did in my first post. Many of her adult behaviors can be directly attributed to the deep and serious wounds from her chlildhood. For instance, she listed one of her sins as not wanting children…note NOT contraception but not wanting children. However, she had described how she was a “surprise” and deeply unwanted, resented by her siblings and told by her parents she was the thing that drove them apart.
 
I don’t recall that being said, but I recall her not wanting children. Where did it say that was a sin rather than simply showing the prefiguring of her character?

She created her own god, made an idol of a man, loved the material things, lost love for everyone having only affections for those who aided her, stopped praying, knew full well what she was getting into, ran away from God’s love, etc., etc.
 
She didn’t want children because she was more focused on having nice things. I see this as clearly not that simple…people who were unwanted children tend to find ways to fill an unfillable void. In the end the emphasis was that “things” were more important than children. But not wanting children isn’t a sin–only contraception is. Her hero-worship of her husband is a clear echo of the breakdown of her parent’s marriage.
 
misstherese said:
You probably won’t find a lot of information on the convent and names. My bet is that when this was first published, the author had to be discreet because we’re dealing with reputations here. The reputation of the family and even the woman in the letter. Maybe even the family of the nun didn’t want names or particular locations involved so as to not get too much attention. We may never know.

But, if you happen to do some digging and find anything I would be interested in seeing what you find.
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My bet is that if this were presented not as an instructive dream pointing out the very real dangers of “polite worldliness” but as a pronouncement that some particular person is in Hell, it would not get an imprimatur. To my knowledge, the Church has never pronounced a single identifiable person among the dead to be in Hell, but only receives miracles from Heaven to help in identifying the saints and the blesseds, that in accordance with the will of God we may publicly ask for their intercession.
 
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Indeed. The fact that a “letter” is sent from heel ought to be your first clue.
Sometimes those who wish us to learn something use various methods of instruction.
There is no mail service of any sort, supernaturally, or naturally from hell,
Cautionary tale? Perhaps.
 
I didn’t see any sort of super focus on her not wanting children.
I saw the painting of a picture.

She rejecting the healing of Christ, and went astray.

Let me ask you, is anyone in danger of damnation to you? If I really wanted to, I could probably find some psychological reason behind much evils, even of such despised men like Pol Pot and Stalin and Hitler. I think it is a destructive idea that if something can be shown to have some psychological reasoning that it means you have no duty to fight the temptations, and incites one to weakness or a fatalism that is dangerous to the individual.

This woman did not go to communion since getting married, and presumably did not receive absolution since either. Do you think she managed to avoid mortal sin this whole time?

But the point is not to be on this person, but is a caution against the worldly life.
 
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