A majority of American's Don't want Roe V Wade overturned?

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Brad:
I didn’t watch it - so I guess that means they do want it overturned?

Kidding.

What in the interview makes you think that (I really didn’t see it)?
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Because when Barbra asked them about Roe-v-Wade they didn’t/wouldn’t answer the question. I brought this issue up in my thread about the program that night, and I was told that the president couldn’t speak out directly, it would bring to much pro-abort heat. It’s amazing how he can talk about other topics which are considered political suicide, like changing social security, but heaven forbid that “W” should standup and tell America that we must end abortions once and for all.
Linda H.
 
In point of fact, the vast majority of Americans is far more pro-life than is commonly assumed. See the results of a recent Zogby poll: here A majority of Americans oppose 96% of abortions actually performed. The trouble is, people have been misled into believeing that Roe permits abortion only during the first trimester.
 
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JimG:
In point of fact, the vast majority of Americans is far more pro-life than is commonly assumed. See the results of a recent Zogby poll: here A majority of Americans oppose 96% of abortions actually performed. The trouble is, people have been misled into believeing that Roe permits abortion only during the first trimester.
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THis is a very important issue and one I’d like to see prolife organizations put forward. When people are asked about overturning Roe v Wade they immediately think of the most outrageous exception and believe that overturning the case would result in women dying in childbirth or the 12 year old raped by her older brother not being able to terminate the pregnancy. IOW they only think of exceptions, not the usual case. Most abortions are performed for convenience and many are beyond the first trimester.

If the question is asked properly the majority of Americans would like to see some procedures banned completely (PBA) and others limited ot the most extreme cases only.

Lisa N
 
On the eve of President Bush’s Inauguration, NARAL, a major “abortion-rights” group, is condemning the president’s “dangerous and divisive anti-choice agenda” and claiming that “a majority of Americans supports a woman’s right to choose” – citing as proof the recent Associated Press/Ipsos poll showing a surprising 59 percent of Americans supporting Roe v. Wade.

The only problem is, AP’s poll results were obtained by giving survey respondents grossly inaccurate and misleading information about Roe v. Wade. Specifically, the poll, which was conducted Nov. 19-21, featured this statement: “The 1973 Supreme Court ruling called Roe v. Wade made abortion in the first three months of pregnancy legal.” In reality, of course, Roe legalized abortion throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy by striking down all laws restricting abortion in all 50 states…"

worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42448
 
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Lance:
In the case of Roe V Wade I don’t disagree that if we got rid of the lawmakers who support it we could get it changed. I think we are on the same side, I was trying to point out that our laws should not reflect what the majority wants but what is right. Maybe I did not make myself clear. I don’t care what most people want, abortion is wrong and we should not allow it. Just my opinion.
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You have to face the fact that the majority rules in this country, right or wrong. That is the form of our government.
 
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JimG:
In point of fact, the vast majority of Americans is far more pro-life than is commonly assumed. See the results of a recent Zogby poll: here A majority of Americans oppose 96% of abortions actually performed. The trouble is, people have been misled into believeing that Roe permits abortion only during the first trimester.
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Sorry, but I disagree with you. The trouble is not that people think abortions are permitted only in the first trimester. The trouble is that people want abortion available to them “just in case.” The only poll that counts is the election day result, and for 32 years the same result occurs every election. A pro-abortion majority is placed in congress. You are being hood-winked if you think any other poll means anything.
 
All4life,

We actually do not have a form of government where the majority rules. We are a representative democracy form of government. A representative democracy is designed to protect against the tyrany’ (spelling?) of the majority. We are a self governing people that puts its faith in the rule of law. Pure democracies (majority rules) may be better than dictatorships but are less desirable than what our founding fathrs bequethed to the Nation that they gave their wealth, honor and lives to create. With a representative democracy even minorities can seek and recieve justice and have a voice, the Constitution provides the guiding principals for all laws. The majority cannot subdue a minority with a simple majority vote. We do not vote directly on most issues, we vote for those who will vote on the issue.

That is one of the reasons that makes the Roe V Wade decision so unjust. A minority, the unborn, lost their voice and their representation, even though the Constitution recognizes “Life” as a fundamental “Right.” This unjust ruling must be overturned and we need to work diligently to that end.
 
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mommy:
On mrc.org they had this snippet:

“Plugging the next segment of Barbara Walters’ interview with George and Laura Bush, the ABC announcer on Friday’s 20/20 previewed a look at what “four more years” of the Bush presidency will mean for “your right to choose.” Walters lectured Bush from the left about how the public is “afraid” of what a “conservative” Supreme Court may do: “**The majority of Americans do not want to see the Supreme Court overturn the right of a woman to have abortion, **especially within the first three months, Roe v. Wade. But they’re afraid that a conservative court may do that.””

I’m just curious. Are there any statistics on American’s opinion of this? Or is Barbara Walters just assuming this is not what we want? Because I know Ms Walters does not speak for me.
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YES! There ARE statistics on America’s opinion on this.

See the Susan B. Anthony List web site –

sba-list.org/

On the left side of the Home page is a rectangular, blue box that says:

AMERICANS ARE PRO-LIFE-- See the Polls

click on it, and you get ALL KINDS of statistics… shown in easily readable charts. The bar chart kind and the pie chart kind of charts, with numbers and percentages, for the answers to several questions conducted by a very valid, scientific poll.

sba-list.org/index.cfm/section/whatsnew/page/pollsJan2005.html

**Majority of Americans are Pro-Life!

Since Roe vs. Wade became the law of the land 32 years ago there have been over 43 million abortions in the United States. This landmark decision made abortion legal for any reason and at almost any time during a woman’s pregnancy. This is an atrocity! Today, Americans have become more pro-life and do not support abortion on demand. Poll after poll shows that the American people overwhelmingly support restrictions on abortion. Young people and women are also very pro-life. **
 
So much depends on how they put the question! And do people realize how easy and common it is to get a late-term abortion? And then the old rape/minor/incest case. Hard cases make bad law.

I think if people really know what went on, what it looks like, they would have a change of heart. Yet no one wants us to show them the pictures do they. After all these years I’m afraid there are just too many people who have been involved in abortions in one way or another, even old & conservative people who used to disapprove but then paid for one for their kid. Back in the 1970s I know many older people who sort of gave way under all the counter-cultural pressure and just decided what the heck, get with the program.

And the trouble with “majority rule” here is that Roe was just a court decision, not a legislative one. We could revert easily enough to a few states like Cal, NY, Nevada, Mass legalizing abortion with others outlawing it if we could take the issue away from the courts somehow. That would be progress, I guess. But the nature of the Roe decision has made that very difficult.

I still give credit to Bush for keeping the issue out there in front of the public, who would like very much to not think about abortion, even if it was just a cynical move to get our votes.
 
The statistics shown on the website posted by Veronica Anne (sba-list.org/index.cfm/section/whatsnew/page/pollsJan2005.html) are very instructive. Most people don’t think of themselves as simply “pro-life” or “pro-choice.” The question is, under what circumstances do they approve of abortion being legal: when the life of the mother is at stake? for sex selection? for convenience? during 1st 3 months? during last 3 months? Polls which probe the actual circumstances in which Americans accept or do not accept abortions give a good idea of what type of legislative restrictions would actually be feasible.
 
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YADA:
All4life,

We actually do not have a form of government where the majority rules. We are a representative democracy form of government. A representative democracy is designed to protect against the tyrany’ (spelling?) of the majority. We are a self governing people that puts its faith in the rule of law. Pure democracies (majority rules) may be better than dictatorships but are less desirable than what our founding fathrs bequethed to the Nation that they gave their wealth, honor and lives to create. With a representative democracy even minorities can seek and recieve justice and have a voice, the Constitution provides the guiding principals for all laws. The majority cannot subdue a minority with a simple majority vote. We do not vote directly on most issues, we vote for those who will vote on the issue.

That is one of the reasons that makes the Roe V Wade decision so unjust. A minority, the unborn, lost their voice and their representation, even though the Constitution recognizes “Life” as a fundamental “Right.” This unjust ruling must be overturned and we need to work diligently to that end.
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We are a republic! “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands…”

The representives and senators are placed in office by the **majority **and therefore it is correct to say that we are ruled by the majority. When the majority of voters elect pro-abortion representives and senators then it is correct to conclude that the majority of voters are pro-abortion. While it is true that the minority has a voice, it is the majority that rules and makes the laws. Law is a man made thing (aside from natural and divine law) and it is erroneous to pretend otherwise. We are ruled by men because it is men who make the law. It is men who apply the law and they do not apply it equally.

While abortion was forced upon us by an unelected SC, the people have always had the power to overturn it by placing in Congress, men who will amend the Constitution to protect all human life from conception to natural death. The fact that the majority of people do not do this tells us that the majority of the people are satisfied with the killing of the unborn. You can probably thank Martin Luther for this. If the Church was still united, odds are that we would not have abortion.
 
Linda H.:
Because when Barbra asked them about Roe-v-Wade they didn’t/wouldn’t answer the question. I brought this issue up in my thread about the program that night, and I was told that the president couldn’t speak out directly, it would bring to much pro-abort heat. It’s amazing how he can talk about other topics which are considered political suicide, like changing social security, but heaven forbid that “W” should standup and tell America that we must end abortions once and for all.
Linda H.
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Unfortunately, in our moral climate, I’m afraid a good majority would rebel against an absolute statement as such.

One reason Bush would not answer a loaded question such as that is because he understands that it is not the president’s job to overturn Roe V. Wade - it is the job of judges that do not make law, but interpret it according to original intent. If Bush were to make an absolute statement against Roe V. Wade, the Democrats (and, unfortunately, severl Republicans) would never allow his nominees through. I think Bush’s strategy is to get the nominees through that will do the job, but in a stealth manner.
 
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Brad:
Unfortunately, in our moral climate, I’m afraid a good majority would rebel against an absolute statement as such.

One reason Bush would not answer a loaded question such as that is because he understands that it is not the president’s job to overturn Roe V. Wade - it is the job of judges that do not make law, but interpret it according to original intent. If Bush were to make an absolute statement against Roe V. Wade, the Democrats (and, unfortunately, severl Republicans) would never allow his nominees through. I think Bush’s strategy is to get the nominees through that will do the job, but in a stealth manner.
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Brad:
Unfortunately, in our moral climate, I’m afraid a good majority would rebel against an absolute statement as such.

One reason Bush would not answer a loaded question such as that is because he understands that it is not the president’s job to overturn Roe V. Wade - it is the job of judges that do not make law, but interpret it according to original intent. If Bush were to make an absolute statement against Roe V. Wade, the Democrats (and, unfortunately, severl Republicans) would never allow his nominees through. I think Bush’s strategy is to get the nominees through that will do the job, but in a stealth manner.
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if you believed that, then why was there so much heat when Kerry at least told the truth that the president didn’t have the power to change … you know what, never mind… lets just watch and see what the next 4 years brings…

Peace:thumbsup:
 
space ghost:
if you believed that, then why was there so much heat when Kerry at least told the truth that the president didn’t have the power to change … you know what, never mind… lets just watch and see what the next 4 years brings…

Peace:thumbsup:
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space ghost:
if you believed that, then why was there so much heat when Kerry at least told the truth that the president didn’t have the power to change … you know what, never mind… lets just watch and see what the next 4 years brings…

Peace:thumbsup:
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The job to do something and influence of employees not under your supervision to do something are 2 different matters.

There was heat on Kerry’s comments regarding Roe V. Wade is because he insisted that he would not allow it to be overturned and that he would have a litmus test for judicial nominees requiring they be pro-death.
 
The bottom line here is propaganda.You can take polls with aterget audience and get the results you want.Or you can ask leading questions to change the outcome.I for one trust these polls no more than I would trust the devil if he appeared to me and told me he’s changed.😉 God Bless
 
In my opinion this is ONE issue (abortion) that should be bluntly taken to the American people–not to congress or to the judges. President Bush should pound the airwaves with the truth of abortion on every level. He should explain the potential threat to women’s health, higher cancer risks are possible, re-productive health risks are possible, even death during the abortion is possible. He should show graphic pictures and films of babies being aborted through various means–show the American people the bold-faced truth of the murderous act we call choice. He should pound the people with the facts–then call on all Americans to rid this nation of the horrible sin of abortion. I am utterly convinced that if more Americans were faced with the naked truth of abortion, we would then see this horrible satanic act be made illegal once and for all. There is nothing more heart-wrenching then seeing pictures of an 7-8 month-old baby having its brains punctured…or watch ultrasound film of a baby’s face twisting in pain as it’s life is suck from its body…

After doing all that, if the United States citizens turned its collective backs on the truth, then so be it, God will be our judge (as always). However, this hiding in the shadows game has not worked and it will not work. We need the will of the people behind a movement to end abortion–ALL ABORTIONS.
 
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