A Minnesota Priest Asks People Not To Fight FOCA (Freedom Of Choice Act) And To Thwart US Bishops Effort

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**A Minnesota Priest Asks People Not To Fight FOCA (Freedom Of Choice Act) And To Thwart US Bishops Effort **

In the Archdiocese of St. Paul & Minneapolis, His Excellency Most Rev. John Nienstedt, the Archbishop, has spoken very firmly about the need to defend the right to life and the urgent need to resist FOCA:
wdtprs.com/blog/2008/10/st-paulmpls-archbp-nienstedt-on-foca-and-voting/

Here is what Fr. Michael Tegeder, pastor of St. Edward’s in Bloomington, MN, offered to the world in the Minneapolis Star/Tribune, arguably one the worst newspapers in the United States:
startribune.com/templates/Print_This_Story?sid=36598499
 
I agree with him, we need to stick with Obama, he does want to reduce abortions in the long run you know, just not by unconstitutionally banning it.
 
Teen4Christ said:
I agree with him, we need to stick with Obama, he does want to reduce abortions in the long run you know, just not by unconstitutionally banning it.
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I am sorry but you are misinformed. Please read FOCA and review your facts. Obama has stated more than once that he will make it his first act to sign FOCA. He has posted on his website of the President Elect the plan he is looking to implement within the first 100 days of his administration.

The state of Massachusetts passed a similar bill to FOCA in 1993. Since that time, abortions have risen 8% in that state. While in the USA overall, with the restrictions the pro-life movement has fought so hard for, abortions have declined by 9%. Do the math on a nationwide scale?

In addition, the plan listed on his website also calls for funds to be given to countries that would use them for purposes of abortion. Under Bush, this is not allowed.

Obama is EXTREMELY pro-choice ~ so pro-choice, you could call him anti-human. Look at his voting record on all matters of research and abortion. He is far more frightening than Clinton, Kerry or Kennedy.

God help our country if we sit idly by and do not fight for ALL Americans. We must protect life from CONCEPTION TO NATURAL DEATH!!
 
Amen Texas! What I really didn’t get in the article was how he could assume that our fighting this would somehow detriment Christian unity?? Life I had always thought was one of the very few things that truly expressed and supported Christian unity! But in any case, Fr. claims that it shouldn’t be pursued because it won’t get to Obama’s desk anyway. I say pursue it despite that, if not because of it. We OUGHT to let him know that he can’t do whatever he pleases. That we won’t allow him to sweet talk our nation to hell. He is accountable to US, and in my mind, if we sit and twiddle our thumbs while the president elect is promising planned parenthood his signature freeing any and all limitations on abortions in this country is dead wrong. Obama was all about the little guy being heard a while back… let’s see how he feels when we scream in opposition!
 
I think your title is misleading. This priest did not ask people not to fight FOCA or to thwart the US Bishops effort. He is saying that there are more effective ways of fighting abortion than sending masses of post cards about a bill that is not even up for a vote in Congress, and probably never will be. I agree with him. FOCA is a funding/recruiting tool used by lobbyists on both sides. Expending energy shadow boxing with this phantom foe is a waste of time and, frankly, makes the Bishops look politically naive.

But even if he were wrong about FOCA, the priest does not say we should not fight against abortion, he is suggesting there are better ways to do so. I see nothing wrong with that.
 
TMC said:
I think your title is misleading. This priest did not ask people not to fight FOCA or to thwart the US Bishops effort. He is saying that there are more effective ways of fighting abortion than sending masses of post cards about a bill that is not even up for a vote in Congress, and probably never will be. I agree with him. FOCA is a funding/recruiting tool used by lobbyists on both sides. Expending energy shadow boxing with this phantom foe is a waste of time and, frankly, makes the Bishops look politically naive.

But even if he were wrong about FOCA, the priest does not say we should not fight against abortion, he is suggesting there are better ways to do so. I see nothing wrong with that.
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If this is true then this is good news. There are better ways to fight FOCA than to send tons of post cards about a bill that isn’t even up for vote in Congress. Let’s hope it never is. However, I still don’t think that sending post cards about it is necessarily a bad thing.
 
:confused: Then why on earth would Obama promise he would sign into law FOCA within his first 100 days.if this is just in the minds/imagination of people. Lord have mercy on us. Please continue to fight for life while we can. This would be easy to slip through with or on a emergency spending bill. Holy Mary all the angels and saints Pray for us.
 
Teen4Christ said:
I agree with him, we need to stick with Obama, he does want to reduce abortions in the long run you know, just not by unconstitutionally banning it.
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How would signing FOCA reduce abortions in the long run? Removing all restrictions to “reduce” abortions is like removing security guards to reduce bank robberies.
 
I agree with him, we need to stick with Obama, he does want to reduce abortions in the long run you know, just not by unconstitutionally banning it.

**A constitutional amendment banning abortions, by its being part of the Constution, cannot be “unconstitutional.”

And anybody who would kill babies would eat dodo with coconut sprinkled on it.**
 
I don’t know much about FOCA, but from what little I’ve heard, I am repulsed.

Are they websites where we could learn what it really is?
 
Holly3278 said:
If this is true then this is good news. There are better ways to fight FOCA than to send tons of post cards about a bill that isn’t even up for vote in Congress. Let’s hope it never is. However, I still don’t think that sending post cards about it is necessarily a bad thing.
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And his way is to leave it to Obama? What can he do? More importantly, what would he do if given all power? A reasonable person would take Obama at his word. He will most likely reverse all of Bush’s policies. He will do nothing to prevent a single instance of abortion and most likely would make it more available. He is one of those who are not open to debate on the issue. We can only hope he is not a zealot.
 
Teen4Christ said:
I agree with him, we need to stick with Obama, he does want to reduce abortions in the long run you know, just not by unconstitutionally banning it.
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Considering the fact that abortion was illegal at the founding of the nation and continued to be until the 1970’s, it is absurd to consider abortion to be constitutional at all. The founding fathers certainly did not intend to legalize it. If they did, then they would have done so. However, they did not.
 
Steeltemplar said:
Considering the fact that abortion was illegal at the founding of the nation and continued to be until the 1970’s, it is absurd to consider abortion to be constitutional at all. The founding fathers certainly did not intend to legalize it. If they did, then they would have done so. However, they did not.
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Abortion was generally legal when the U.S. was founded. Anti-abortion laws didn’t start to appear until c. 1820.
 
Benedictus said:
Abortion was generally legal when the U.S. was founded. Anti-abortion laws didn’t start to appear until c. 1820.
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Prior to that, it was simply covered under murder because no one thought that a special law was needed.

So no. Abortion was not legal in the United States until Roe vs. Wade.
 
Benedictus said:
Abortion was generally legal when the U.S. was founded. Anti-abortion laws didn’t start to appear until c. 1820.
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An argument from silence fallacy on your part.

To argue that it was legal because no law said it was illegal (something you need to prove by the way) is not logical, as it could also be seen that prior to 1820 such laws were not necessary.

We certainly know they were long condemned before then.
 
Rascalking said:
I don’t know much about FOCA, but from what little I’ve heard, I am repulsed.

Are they websites where we could learn what it really is?
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priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/johnston-foca.htm

<-From Priests for Life. Father Frank Pavone’s Website. He is a great Saint, in the making, for our times.

Search for “FOCA” at this website, to read more.​

Rev. Fr. Thomas Euteneuer has a pro-Life website. He is another great Saint, in the making, for our times. Fr. Euteneuer is also an Exorcist:

hli.org/president_hli.html​

Father John Corapi, the 3rd great Saint, in the making, for our times has something to say about FOCA:

prolifeblogs.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=corapi+foca&IncludeBlogs=2&limit=20​

3 Great Lights, definitely led by God The Holy Spirit, in the darkness of this world.
 
stinkyweed said:
:confused: Then why on earth would Obama promise he would sign into law FOCA within his first 100 days.if this is just in the minds/imagination of people. Lord have mercy on us. Please continue to fight for life while we can. This would be easy to slip through with or on a emergency spending bill. Holy Mary all the angels and saints Pray for us.
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This will probably “happen,” (Obama promised Planned Parenthood as his first act as President) and be touted as “good” for us:

onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=364520

Abortion industry asks Obama for billions in funding

…A major abortion provider wants taxpayers to fork over more money, even while the economy is down.

Over 50 pro-abortion groups have submitted a 55-page wish list called “Advancing Reproductive Rights and Health in a New Administration” to the incoming Obama administration. Jim Sedlak of American Life League’s (ALL) Stop Planned Parenthood, or Stopp International, has tallied the cost.

“They want unfettered abortion. They want the government paying for all of its programs,” he contends. “In fact, [if] you total up everything that they’ve asked Obama for, Planned Parenthood and their friends want the taxpayers to give them $4.6 billion next year.”

According to an ALL press release, the document requests $700 million to fund Title X, $900 million for international “family planning” programs, and additional millions for STD and sex education programs. Putting it under a microscope, Sedlak says the request is shocking when there are people on the streets looking for an income.

“We have to remember that last year, Planned Parenthood got $356 million in government money and [got] $114 million in profit,” he points out.

Sedlak suggests the wish list represents a request to support an agenda, rather than a genuine need…
 
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