A movie about Muhammad

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planten said:
** Lapell, not all hadith are lies. Similarly not all bible is true. Only 20% of bible may be true.

Lapell, this post is not actually intended for you. So please allow it, as it is, for some Catholics only.

I do believe that Hadith to be a lie. What harm is there? It is not true. Similarly there are reports of prophets in the bibleOT misbehaving with their own daughters or a son of Jacob (Yehuda?) who had sex with his own daughter in law and produced illegitimate children who were the ancestors of King David and Jesus, all those reports must be wrong.

Why can’t you people understand those things. Is it necessary that we believe such bad things. **
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planten, you probably misunderstand the reason as to why that story is there in the first place. Tamar gave her father-in-law a lesson, to make him aware of the wrong he did to her. He promised her that his other son would be made her husband but didn’t fulfill his promise. Judah finally recognized the wrong he did. It wasn’t written so that anyone should act like them! Her deed was also a kind of revenge. But the thing here was that she was a victim of a wrong that demanded reparation… Such passages can be used in examining our own consciences when asking God for the forgiveness of my sins.
The Jews also have such a thing as a time to examinate their consciences and ask God to forgive them for the sins they committed. It culminates into the day of Yom Kippur…
 
planten said:
** Lapell, not all hadith are lies. Similarly not all bible is true. Only 20% of bible may be true.

Lapell, this post is not actually intended for you. So please allow it, as it is, for some Catholics only.

I do believe that Hadith to be a lie. What harm is there? It is not true. Similarly there are reports of prophets in the bibleOT misbehaving with their own daughters or a son of Jacob (Yehuda?) who had sex with his own daughter in law and produced illegitimate children who were the ancestors of King David and Jesus, all those reports must be wrong.

Why can’t you people understand those things. Is it necessary that we believe such bad things. And what is your special interest in maligning the prophet in foul reports even if they are written some where. The other reports about the illegitimate ancestors of Jesus are also written in the bibles. What would you say? Would you believe them as true?
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Illegimate, I don’t know… but they certainly were his ancestors through Joseph. We do believe it, planten. Even though the list differs in Matthew and in Luke after the exil to Babylon, Joseph the carpenter was a descendant of David in his own right, and one thing even surer, he was of the tribe of Judah. Back then, every Jew would be identified according to his tribe…
 
planten said:
** Lapell, not all hadith are lies. Similarly not all bible is true. Only 20% of bible may be true.**
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My dear planten, you may not believe this, but the whole Bible is true, not just 20%!
Now, if there is any fiction in it, it doesn’t make it a lie.
I remember very well a definition of a legend as told by Father Benedict Groeschel, of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, some years ago on EWTN: “A legend is something that never happened but that is true anyway.”
But, if miracles, very unusual things, are told of in the Bible, it doesn’t automatically means that they are merely legends, they may have happened. A number of them must have happened anyway, if not all…
 
** Lapell, I am aware of the things you have written in the last three posts. And thanks to you for confirming and informing me further into those things. That was good. Almost everything you have written is true.

I had planned to reply my last post to one of the Catholics. But by chance (or mistake) I started it in your name. I hope you would not mind my that previous long post**.
 
planten said:
** Lapell, I am aware of the things you have written in the last three posts. And thanks to you for confirming and informing me further into those things. That was good. Almost everything you have written is true.

I had planned to reply my last post to one of the Catholics. But by chance (or mistake) I started it in your name. I hope you would not mind my that previous long post**.
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Which post? I didn’t notice… I’ll look back!
 
Well, I haven’t found it… or, is it the one you started by speaking to me?
I don’t mind that one at all, in fact!
 
One thing we should not forget in this movie is the slavery that still exists in Islam that was highly valued in mohammed’s life. From the battles that he started against caravans and cities to gather slaves, and other loot, to the orders to his followers how to treat them.

And to make sure that some notable accounts of the muslim slave masters that were caught in our country, the USA, such as an embassador to the ones caught and in prison in Colorado and L.A. And especially focus on the slavers taking their booty out of Africa and into Saudi Arabia and/or other places for their slave trading.

Here is my favorite article on it, just in case anyone hasn’t read it, Slavery in islam. And a video I have posted before: Slavery in Islam.

And here is a new article on the subject: ffi’s article on slavery in islam
 
Another aspect that maybe should be brought out in a movie about mohammed is that phenomenon that no one bothers muslim clerics. But that same courtesy is not extended to priests (7 were killed in 2007-2008 and one this year was burned alive). Or just recently muslims beat up a minister.

And that everything from honor killings to genital mutilation is done to women. BUT - make sure to show that it is happening in our country where sharia laws are not the laws of the lands.

to me this is just one more reason why allah wasn’t so perfect… if it said to mutilate its own creatures - it seems that it didn’t create things too well.

Make sure to show our own government and media cowering and bowing to islam’s demands of censorship and whitewashing their atrocities too. Of our TV industry doing the same, I might add, in some half-baked fairy tale about mohammed.
 
R_not said:
Another aspect that maybe should be brought out in a movie about mohammed is that phenomenon that no one bothers muslim clerics. But that same courtesy is not extended to priests (7 were killed in 2007-2008 and one this year was burned alive). Or just recently muslims beat up a minister.
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Good observation.
Make sure to show our own government and media cowering and bowing to islam’s demands of censorship and whitewashing their atrocities too. Of our TV industry doing the same, I might add, in some half-baked fairy tale about mohammed.
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I think a lot of this cowering has to do with a money trail.
 
R_not said:
Here is my favorite article on it, just in case anyone hasn’t read it, Slavery in islam. And a video I have posted before: Slavery in Islam.
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From the article
It is also noted that as the slaves get too old to perform service or sexually satisfy their masters, their masters ‘manumits’ the slaves. Now, aged, worn out, they are put out on the streets to fend for themselves. These ex-slaves are left to fend for themselves. Their former owner has committed a great, righteousness act in freeing a slave! He gets rid of the burdensome slave, and gets a bonus in heaven. What a religion!
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The same thing “What a religion!”] could be said about the other practices of Islam.
 
sedonaman said:
From the article

The same thing “What a religion!”] could be said about the other practices of Islam.
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The whole article is just moving. Before hollyweird got into major ‘pc’ mode with the muslims, they actually brought out the muslim slave trade that still happened in 1871 via at least one movie made in 1939 - Stanley and Livingstone (1939). 1871 was AFTER the American Civil War was over.

Now from hollyweird we get the politically correct junk about islam. They are not even close to the true facts about islam or mohammed. And this sort of junk is on channels that are labeled ‘history channel’, or discovery, etc - channels that we are hoping are closer to the truth than not!

it is all just very disgusting what is being fed to not only our kids but adults that are too lazy to find out about islam.
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
If you were to create a movie regarding the Islamic Messenger of Allah, Muhammad, what scenes would you put in it?

I’m not looking for your details about the whole movie, but perhaps you could suggest a scene that would be worthy to teach people about Muhammad.

The idea is to create a movie that could teach people about Muhammad.
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This thread is too long to read all the posts, so tell me please why on earth a catholic would want a film made about a false prophet for exactly.
 
Eternaly_Secure said:
This thread is too long to read all the posts, so tell me please why on earth a catholic would want a film made about a false prophet for exactly.
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A billion people believe Mohammed/Islam. Five billion+ don’t, but out of the five billion far too many think it is something that it isn’t. If Moslems can have holy text that deny the Catholic faith as the Koran does- an accurate movie about Mohammed might make other realize its true nature and not the dhimmi myth of Islam/Mohammed.
 
Verisimilitude said:
A billion people believe Mohammed/Islam. Five billion+ don’t, but out of the five billion far too many think it is something that it isn’t. If Moslems can have holy text that deny the Catholic faith as the Koran does- an accurate movie about Mohammed might make other realize its true nature and not the dhimmi myth of Islam/Mohammed.
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I’m not saying a muslim is any more sinful than anyone else, but Islam is sinful and against scripture and God condemns it.
These people are on their way to hell, because they are being taught lies. A film about a false prophet is not what anyone needs, unless it is a film entitled ‘‘The false Prophet’’.
 
What the biggest problem to getting the truth out is how poorly behaved the ‘mainstream’, or ‘peaceful’ muslims behave if something like this ever was made. Look at how Geert Wilders has to have 24 hour guard now. Look at how Father Botros, or the minister that I brought up in my previous thread are treated - Father Bortros has a price on his head (a fatwa - a call for an assasination), and the minister was beaten up.

We would see massive riots. Maybe one or two clerics, or spokesmen for one of the muslim brotherhood controlled organizations in our country, would issue a letter saying how they abhor violence blah blah blah - same old stuff different day. While nothing would change. People would be killed because of the movie - people who have nothing to do with it and usually the weakest or the ones least likely to protect themselves.

And you would think that people would have a hint about what islam is all about just with this behavior alone! But, our mainstream media likes to either ignore this type of news, or rename the perpetrators, or whatever to deflect who/what the problems are.
 
Eternaly_Secure said:
A film about a false prophet is not what anyone needs, unless it is a film entitled ‘‘The false Prophet’’.
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I think I’d call it: “Mohammed: saint or sinner? You tell me.”

or

“Mohammed: The most perfect man???”
 
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