A new cause of immorality exposed sorry conservatives this one is enviromental

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Immorality can start in some cases in the home where self control isn’t taught.

Without self control and knowledge of mortal sin we have the Western epidemic of Sex without Purpose and Murder of Children (some kids said they were just trying something new).

Our society killing 5,000,000 by abortion and 5,000,000 estimate from abortion by birth control pills is giving them legal examples to follow.

Both were in the old testament in societies with temple prostitution and child sacrifice. Remember what God though of them?

Some kids are unwittinly given the example of sugar or other addictions at home. Self control needs to come from Dad and Mom’s example first. I wish I could have done better don’t make the same mistakes I did.

The young without self control become easier prey to sex, drug and porn pushers and sex abusers.

Free the children from sugar addiction.

Brother John
 
Impossible to make a judgement on the number of babies never conceived because of birth control. Sounds like those numbers were far over-estimated just to make it sound worse. Also, with abortion you have a stronger argument. With birth control it really isn’t any of your business.
 
A friend of mine went to South America, there are no children.

Birth Contol is killing a Catholic continent, whose business is it?

The 50,000,000 women on birth control pills are aborting fetus check the science ONE MORE SOUL website.

Brother John
 
No one is doubting that birth control causes abortion in many instances. But I do doubt statistics on this occurrance.
There is no real way to track this.
 
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jbuttrey:
A friend of mine went to South America, there are no children.

Birth Contol is killing a Catholic continent, whose business is it?

The 50,000,000 women on birth control pills are aborting fetus check the science ONE MORE SOUL website.

Brother John
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As much yours as everything else people do in the bedroom. You don’t get to monitor their intimacy, you don’t get to monitor, control, or limit how they use drugs there, either, when the drugs are not illegal. Peopel aren’t yours to decide life for.
 
Any one think 5,000,000 per year lost to pill too high. I guessed it being the same as 5,000,000 known reported abortions per year it probably is also low.

My guess PILL death is way too low, probably 10,000,000 at least.

Brother John
 
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jbuttrey:
Any one think 5,000,000 per year lost to pill too high. I guessed it being the same as 5,000,000 known reported abortions per year it probably is also low.

My guess PILL death is way too low, probably 10,000,000 at least.

Brother John
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You miss the point that what pills people are on is not your business to decide, even if your laughably high estimate is true. You don’t get to force your religious beleifs on people. An un-realized possibility is not, scientifically, a child.
 
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jbuttrey:
Immorality can start in some cases in the home where self control isn’t taught.

Without self control and knowledge of mortal sin we have the Western epidemic of Sex without Purpose and Murder of Children (some kids said they were just trying something new).

Our society killing 5,000,000 by abortion and 5,000,000 estimate from abortion by birth control pills is giving them legal examples to follow.

Both were in the old testament in societies with temple prostitution and child sacrifice. Remember what God though of them?

Some kids are unwittinly given the example of sugar or other addictions at home. Self control needs to come from Dad and Mom’s example first. I wish I could have done better don’t make the same mistakes I did.

The young without self control become easier prey to sex, drug and porn pushers and sex abusers.

Free the children from sugar addiction.

Brother John
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I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. If you are saying that abortion and artificial contraception are evil and a mortal sin then all Catholics have to believe and accept that or are you making another point?
 
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Liberalsaved:
As much yours as everything else people do in the bedroom. You don’t get to monitor their intimacy, you don’t get to monitor, control, or limit how they use drugs there, either, when the drugs are not illegal. Peopel aren’t yours to decide life for.
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Sorry I though you may have been a catholic. I guess you see why we are so angry at the loses, but maybe it is only our way of looking at the problem?

What causes are you angry about, maybe we have some common ground.

Brother John
 
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Liberalsaved:
As much yours as everything else people do in the bedroom. You don’t get to monitor their intimacy, you don’t get to monitor, control, or limit how they use drugs there, either, when the drugs are not illegal. Peopel aren’t yours to decide life for.
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But it sure as heck is okay to discuss what might be the truth of this matter…and to change people’s hearts and minds.
They get pregnant in the bedroom–does this mean all discussion of the implications of aborting a baby is off-limits?

Peace.
 
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jbuttrey:
My guess PILL death is way too low, probably 10,000,000 at least.

Brother John
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Operative word here is ‘guess’ there is no way to collect statistics on this. Why not stick with what we know?
 
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Liberalsaved:
You miss the point that what pills people are on is not your business to decide, even if your laughably high estimate is true. You don’t get to force your religious beleifs on people. An un-realized possibility is not, scientifically, a child.
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He’s talking about the fraction of instances where the pill does in fact permit fertilization of the egg, but then carries out its secondary effect of *preventing the new embryo from implanting, *thus causing an abortion.

Peace.
 
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thistle:
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. If you are saying that abortion and artificial contraception are evil and a mortal sin then all Catholics have to believe and accept that or are you making another point?
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My point is if more children come out of sugar free homes they will not use the pill.

John
 
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jbuttrey:
Any one think 5,000,000 per year lost to pill too high. I guessed it being the same as 5,000,000 known reported abortions per year it probably is also low.

My guess PILL death is way too low, probably 10,000,000 at least.

Brother John
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I gotta go with you on the estimate being a very high number. Take the dozens of millions of sexually active females on the pill, many of them for years, consider ovulation would take place monthly. Even if the pill was successful in its primary mission of preventing ovulation 99 percent of the time…
Geez! One percent failure resulting in early abortion, over the forty-some years that the pill has been popular…

Sure LiberalSaved, we might be wrong, but I don’t think so. It’s certainly an issue worthy of solemn consideration, in view of what we’re talking about.

Peace.
 
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Teach a child moderation, self-denial, other-centeredness…
I get it.

Peace.
 
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jbuttrey:
Sorry I though you may have been a catholic. I guess you see why we are so angry at the loses, but maybe it is only our way of looking at the problem?

What causes are you angry about, maybe we have some common ground.

Brother John
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Religion has nothing to do with laws in my country. I like religious ideals and legal structure and try to make them get along.

And my causes are pretty clear. The defense of true free will, the right not to have government exceed the bounds of keeping society together on a non-moral level, which is the job of government, the right for everyone to express what they feel they want to express, which is why you are allowed to express this view and I am allowed to disagree. I also beleive in views not being forced on people, which is why I will fight for your right of expression but will also fight for other people’s right not to have to live by that opinion.

My cause is humanity. My cause is being able to write a story about abortion without condemning the subject if I so desire. My cause is to be able to write a book concerning Catholicism or Protestantism or Buddhism or Atheism and be able to write it the way I wish, without having to bow to the way the people in question see themselves, for only by writing the world the way you see it can a story be good. And only by writing the world the way you see it can a story be bad. It’s the only way to get ANY real truth out of a story.

My cause is for people who are told “You cannot live this way, someone you have never met who knows you only as an abstract concept says that it is wrong”. It’s for people who have to hide the only true beleifs and passions they will ever feel for a religion or a person or a thing or a place because those around them want them to be more like themselves. It’s for people who’ve been pushed around and made to feel like less because someone else somewhere decided they were the ideal of perfection and that everyone who didn’t measure up was to be discriminated against.

THAT is my cause.
 
I understand the point now, but lets not confuse a cause effect relationship with a conjunctive relationship.
 
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vz71:
I understand the point now, but lets not confuse a cause effect relationship with a conjunctive relationship.
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Yeah, I’d say that even in the event that everyone could successfully raise their children to be non-self-indulgent, they’d still be on the pill in marriage, given the cultural influences.

BUT, I think there’s definitely a causal relatinship between lack of self-discipline/self-control and the number of conventional abortions.

Peace.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Religion has nothing to do with laws in my country. I like religious ideals and legal structure and try to make them get along.

And my causes are pretty clear. The defense of true free will, the right not to have government exceed the bounds of keeping society together on a non-moral level, which is the job of government, the right for everyone to express what they feel they want to express, which is why you are allowed to express this view and I am allowed to disagree. I also beleive in views not being forced on people, which is why I will fight for your right of expression but will also fight for other people’s right not to have to live by that opinion.

My cause is humanity. My cause is being able to write a story about abortion without condemning the subject if I so desire. My cause is to be able to write a book concerning Catholicism or Protestantism or Buddhism or Atheism and be able to write it the way I wish, without having to bow to the way the people in question see themselves, for only by writing the world the way you see it can a story be good. And only by writing the world the way you see it can a story be bad. It’s the only way to get ANY real truth out of a story.

My cause is for people who are told “You cannot live this way, someone you have never met who knows you only as an abstract concept says that it is wrong”. It’s for people who have to hide the only true beleifs and passions they will ever feel for a religion or a person or a thing or a place because those around them want them to be more like themselves. It’s for people who’ve been pushed around and made to feel like less because someone else somewhere decided they were the ideal of perfection and that everyone who didn’t measure up was to be discriminated against.

THAT is my cause.
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OK, I’m confused again.
What was the topic?
 
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