A New Country For Religious Freedom

[Scout]

I was just wondering if, one day, Christians will have to leave the United States and begin their own country. We’ve done it before, maybe we’ll have to do it again. Maybe we could pool all our money and buy some land up in Canada, seeing as most of that is uninhabited.

What do all of you think? Do you think that persecution of Christians is going to get so bad that one day we’ll have to start our own country? Would you be willing to leave to begin a new life without religious persecution? Maybe a new theocracy?

I’m just interested in some opinions.

Scout :tiphat:

 

[Edwin1961]

Scout:

I was just wondering if, one day, Christians will have to leave the United States and begin their own country. We’ve done it before, maybe we’ll have to do it again. Maybe we could pool all our money and buy some land up in Canada, seeing as most of that is uninhabited.

What do all of you think? Do you think that persecution of Christians is going to get so bad that one day we’ll have to start our own country? Would you be willing to leave to begin a new life without religious persecution? Maybe a new theocracy?

I’m just interested in some opinions.

Scout :tiphat:

Canadian Catholic will probably come down HERE first before we’d even consider going up there. Have you heard what their courts are doing? Ask Ani or any of the other Canadians on this Forum. Canada is becoming MORE pagan by their court system.

It should be the Liberal show should be leaving not us…but this should happen AFTER we evangelize in charity.

 

[Scout]

Yes, I know what’s going on up there. But if we bought some land and started our own country, then it wouldn’t matter what the Canadian courts were doing. We’d be our own country.

Besides, Canada was just a suggestion since there’s so much uninhabited land up there.
Scout :tiphat:

 

[Philip_P]

Um, Christians founded America to avoid persecution? The way I heard it, some Christians came to America because of persecution by *other *Christians back in Europe. It was denomination against denomination, not Christianity vs. a non-Christian power.

Then when it came time to join the disparate communities of North America into a single political entity, the founders went out of their way to *avoid *establishing any official religion precisely to avoid the sort of governmental persecution of one group against another the original settlers were fleeing.

Yes, there still continues to be attempts at persecution in this country. For instance, a school district in Texas is trying to mae the Bible part of their curriculum. Think it’s the Catholic Bible? Nope. Definitely smacks of the kind of Protestant abuse of the public education system in the 19th century that inspired the creation of Catholic schools in the first place.

All in all, though, I think that, given the religious diversity of our country, we’ve done a stellar job of avoiding religious persecution of one group by another.

 

[Cockney_Clive]

Ermmm! But you have your own country. Or am I missing something here? And where, exactly would you go? Like, who do you intend to displace? Or would that be extermination? You know, like the Indigenious peoples who were already in possession of this land you know call the Good 'Ol USA.

No. You just hang on in there and defend your own religious freedoms and don’t come bothering us. You hear now!

 

[WanderAimlessly]

What we need to do is take this country back from the secularist. Vote them out of office, impeach their judges, and disbar their lawyers.

Make them leave, not us.

PF

 

[Scout]

Cockney Clive:

Ermmm! But you have your own country. Or am I missing something here? And where, exactly would you go? Like, who do you intend to displace? Or would that be extermination? You know, like the Indigenious peoples who were already in possession of this land you know call the Good 'Ol USA.

No. You just hang on in there and defend your own religious freedoms and don’t come bothering us. You hear now!

The point is that we’re loosing this country to the secularists and atheists and others. All I’m suggesting is there may come a point in the future when the persecution of Christians becomes so great that we’ll have to begin our own country-again.

And who said we’d come bothering you? England is worse than the States when it comes to liberalism, secularism, and political correctness.

I’m just interested in knowing, if the persecution ever gets that far, who would be willing to move for religious freedom?

Scout :tiphat:

 

[Scout]

WanderAimlessly:

What we need to do is take this country back from the secularist. Vote them out of office, impeach their judges, and disbar their lawyers.

Make them leave, not us.

PF

I heartily agree that that’s the way to go. However, I don’t see that happening. In fact, I see just the opposite happening. We promote the liberalists and secularists and keep good, spiritual people out of office simply because they believe in God and have a solid faith.

Scout :tiphat:

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Scout:

I was just wondering if, one day, Christians will have to leave the United States and begin their own country. We’ve done it before, maybe we’ll have to do it again. Maybe we could pool all our money and buy some land up in Canada, seeing as most of that is uninhabited.

You have got to be joking. We are in worse shape up here in the Troo North than you could ever dream of being in down there in the Sunny South. Besides you would have to buy your land and then separate after years of persecution. And I have to remind you that, while Toronto is fairly bearable, large expanses of Canada are freezing cold.

Benedictus:

What do all of you think? Do you think that persecution of Christians is going to get so bad that one day we’ll have to start our own country?

I dream of it constantly.

Benedictus:

Would you be willing to leave to begin a new life without religious persecution? Maybe a new theocracy?

Yes.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Scout:

Besides, Canada was just a suggestion since there’s so much uninhabited land up there.
Scout :tiphat:

Fair enough. Just a thought: the tundra is uninhabited to some extent. But it needs to stay that way because it is very very fragile.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Edwin1961:

Canadian Catholic will probably come down HERE first before we’d even consider going up there. Have you heard what their courts are doing? Ask Ani or any of the other Canadians on this Forum. Canada is becoming MORE pagan by their court system.

I dream of having a hotdog stand in New York. Rosalinda asked me to pick her up on the way down. She intends to do sidewalk chalk portraits. :bounce: Look, the persecution up here is not a joke. Grapevine: the Catholic Civil Rights League has not until now considered defending individual Catholics in court. But now is considering it. For the time being they are contacting a few pro bono Catholic lawyers. But the degree of persecution increases daily. People are being fired from their jobs, evicted from their homes, publicly defamed. And it will only get worse. There has to be some sort of affordable legal mechanism whereby Catholics can defend their constitutional rights.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Cockney Clive:

No. You just hang on in there and defend your own religious freedoms and don’t come bothering us. You hear now!

Ha! You put the kettle on, Clive. We’re coming over there in shiploads. We think we’d like to settle in Wales. No actually we’ re thinking we might replant Northern Ireland with Catholics.

D-oh! Ani ducks and heads for the hills.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Scout:

I’m just interested in knowing, if the persecution ever gets that far, who would be willing to move for religious freedom?

Me. Actually this sounds like it would make a good poll.

 

[Cockney_Clive]

Wales? Have you seen how seriously small the Prinipality of Wales is? Park three SUV’s and you will be stuck for space!

As to ‘planting’ Catholics in Ulster. Don’t bother; we Catholics are already 52% of the population and growing.

But as to kettle. Consider it done me lovely.

 

[deb1]

There was a recent news article about FUndamentalist Christians moving to S.C to start a new country. When they get enough members they plan to suceed from the union.

There is still a lot of hope left for our country. Granted, we are not always given the best list of politicans to vote for, but we still have a voice.

If we aren’t proactive enough in this country to defend ourselves from secularist what makes you believe that we will be proactive enough to defend a new country?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Cockney Clive:

Wales? Have you seen how seriously small the Prinipality of Wales is?

I thought we could live in Pencynor Woods Wild Life and Dinosaur Sanctuary. Surely there is space there between the hadrosaur and the barking turtles.
Cockney Clive:

Park three SUV’s and you will be stuck for space!

Well, SUV’s… I guess… I think I will just walk in with my dragon.
Cockney Clive:

As to ‘planting’ Catholics in Ulster. Don’t bother; we Catholics are already 52% of the population and growing.

Yes, I heard you were growing. I was hoping yall might be desirous of some help in that area. D-oh!
Cockney Clive:

But as to kettle. Consider it done me lovely.

Ah good, and that reminds me…it’s tea time in Canada. (Tea time in Canada is all day long.)

 

[amateurthomist]

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” He also said, “blessed are you when men persecute you for justice sake.” Why should we worry? Christ also said that as the world hated him so they will hate us. There is no place to go. We can found a theocracy somewhere and within 100 years it will likely become a secular, pagan state. Why? because the world is fallen and our only true home is heaven. This world is not our home. God has put us in the individual countries we are in for a reason. There are people we are to minister to in our midst. If we all leave and find some “pure” place to live out our lives in peace, then who will bring the Gospel to the lost? We need to trust in God’s sovereignty. God knows what He is doing.

 

[Cockney_Clive]

Hi Deb1.
South Carolina? Seceding from the Union? Didn’t they do that once before? Circa 1860? And didn’t it all end in tears?

Ani Ibi; great about the dragon. Hope you feed it well. Don’t overdo the Princess diet however; the odd one or two is fine but too many makes for a rich diet. And you wouldn’t want to know your dragon when it suffers wind. Phweeeh!

If you are serious about living in Wales you might have to learn to love Rugby Football which is a far superior, more intelligent game than American Football.

Wales won the “Six Nations” cup this past season so they are on a roll and expecting to continue. Even the NZ All Blacks are worried by this new Welsh team but we will see in the Fall.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Cockney Clive:

If you are serious about living in Wales.

I’m not at all serious about living in Wales. I do have a cousin there, however, and would like to see her at some point. When I was on the BBC boards a group of us created a kind of legendary alternative reality in Penscynor Wood centred around the Working Men’s Institute there. Old habits die hard.

 

[BlestOne]

As a Catholic, an American, and a vetran of our armed forces… I would fight for my country as surely as I did while in the military. I will campaign to get every liberal, every christian hater, every immoral idiot out of office! I am sick and tired of the minority claiming rights they don’t have… This country has elections to ensure majority rule. The minority has no right to impose their morals on us, and we ARE the majority!!