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Ani_Ibi
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No.
No. Catholics are holding the wall for the freedom of all people. Catholics go down, and the rest falls like a stack of dominoes.
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Ani_Ibi
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Is that what we said? Or is that the strawman you are building in order to attack us?
The interpretation of those laws is not. The interpretation of those laws was given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ.
An oversimplification of a lot of human pain and imperfection.
It seems to me that you are comparing Osama Bin Laden to the Pope. Are you?
You’re right.
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cynic
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Yeah but it’s their choice. Tell people fine - but get the police to arrest homosexuals, unmarried partners, adulterers, forbid expression of non christian (or non catholic) religion? That’s what I hear when I read this stuff.
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Petertherock
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My mother hit the nail on the head when she said the USA is going to fall from within. It’s not terrorism, Al Qaeda, the economy, or Osama Bin Laden that is going to bring this country down. It’s turning away from everything this country was founded on. This country was founded on Judeo Christian morals. Religion and belief in God was a very important part of almost all of our founding Fathers lives. We as a society have given up on the religion this country was founded on.
This country with the help of liberals and their organizations like the ACLU and the liberal Supreme Court is going to cause this country to fall. I think the Ayatollah Komeni was right when he said America is the great satan. I know he was saying this for different reason but he is still right. Our western culture is all about the world and material things and religion is either a private thing or just doesn’t matter.
Always remember, the wages of sin is death. As a nation, we are supporting sins of all kinds. Almost everything on television and on the movies is sex sex and more sex. As a society we are condoning homosexual marriage and acting like homosexuality is normal. We have abortions on demand, we have no respect for the sanctity of life and we are heading down the path of destruction. The wages of sin is death and I believe that as long as the nation as a whole continues down this path we are dooming ourselves.
I have often wondered if 9/11 was a wakeup call from God to turn away from sins and turn to Jesus or else face total destruction. I think the nation may be missing the wakeup call and all we can do is pray for the strength to continue the battle all of us Christians will be facing in the time to come. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better.
This country with the help of liberals and their organizations like the ACLU and the liberal Supreme Court is going to cause this country to fall. I think the Ayatollah Komeni was right when he said America is the great satan. I know he was saying this for different reason but he is still right. Our western culture is all about the world and material things and religion is either a private thing or just doesn’t matter.
Always remember, the wages of sin is death. As a nation, we are supporting sins of all kinds. Almost everything on television and on the movies is sex sex and more sex. As a society we are condoning homosexual marriage and acting like homosexuality is normal. We have abortions on demand, we have no respect for the sanctity of life and we are heading down the path of destruction. The wages of sin is death and I believe that as long as the nation as a whole continues down this path we are dooming ourselves.
I have often wondered if 9/11 was a wakeup call from God to turn away from sins and turn to Jesus or else face total destruction. I think the nation may be missing the wakeup call and all we can do is pray for the strength to continue the battle all of us Christians will be facing in the time to come. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better.
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cynic
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Oh yeah so God - who is supposed to value every human soul - just killed 5000 people as a big “heads up” for the rest of America? You are officially in the loony bin.
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Petertherock
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I don’t think you get what I am saying. I do not believe that God wanted 9/11 to happen. I believe the wages of sin is death. The western culture is all about death and lack of morals. We are turning our backs on the Christian principles this country was founded on. We are endorsing sin instead of Jesus. The wages of sin is death. The attacks of 9/11 I believe are related to the sins of our country as a whole.
I further believe if this country doesn’t turn to Jesus then 9/11 is just the beginning. Remember the message of Our Lady at Fatima…the wages of abortion is nuclear war.
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allhers
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Ani Ibi:
Seriously though, I think that until and unless we all get with the program and follow the ten commandments, we are lost. I like the way I heard Fr. Corapi say it one night, He said that if we follow the first one, then we will have no problem with the other 9.
Anyway, the first one is this: I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. Now someone once explained to me that if we put ANYTHING before God, then we have a strange god. (some of us have stranger god’s than others from what I see.) So, why don’t we all try to do it God’s way now? I am sure most of us have tried it our way already, and look at the mess this country and the whole world are in.
Probably that cold, frozen tundra!! So I suppose we could all move up there and be elves.
Seriously though, I think that until and unless we all get with the program and follow the ten commandments, we are lost. I like the way I heard Fr. Corapi say it one night, He said that if we follow the first one, then we will have no problem with the other 9.
Anyway, the first one is this: I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. Now someone once explained to me that if we put ANYTHING before God, then we have a strange god. (some of us have stranger god’s than others from what I see.) So, why don’t we all try to do it God’s way now? I am sure most of us have tried it our way already, and look at the mess this country and the whole world are in.
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Ani_Ibi
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That’s what you hear us saying? That’s not what we are saying. You are building a strawman to attack us.
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didymus
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What **persecution of Christians??? **Let’s see, what religion is the President, most of the House and Senate – the majority of the electorate for that matter?
Freedom of religion is more secure here than just about anywhere else on Earth. People are still coming here to escape persecution.
I truly don’t understand those who try to make it sound like we’re in danger of being thrown to the lions.
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Scout
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didymus said:
Are you saying there isn’t religious persecution in the United States? Just look at what the Senate is trying to do to John Roberts. They’re actually considering whether his religious beliefs should keep him from holding a position on the U.S. Supreme Court! They would never do that to a Jew, a Muslim, or even a Buddhist. But, if you’re a Christian, then you’re fare game.
And look what’s happening on the University Campuses. Say you’re a Christian and you get slapped by the “intellectual elite”.
And as far as the House and Senate being Christian-they may “say” they’re Christian, but their actions prove otherwise. Most of them aren’t living according to Christian values, and those who do get blasted as being zealots.
No, we’re not being thrown to the lions. But, as far as I’m conscerned, it’s still religious persecution.
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iamrefreshed
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Considering the fact that Africa and South America are the fastest growing Catholic areas you may need to learn a new language!
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didymus
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Shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot, doesn’t it? Christians got to discriminate against everyone else for the first 150 years of US history. Christians didn’t have any problem with racism or anti-Semitism. They showed no compassion at all for homosexuals, merely consigning them to Hell (and to prison on Earth, if possible). Let’s not idyllise the past.
And let’s not forget that up until maybe WW II most “Christians” definitely did not consider Catholics to be Christians, and many still don’t. I suspect that many more would dump us if they felt they could politically.
Christianity has lost its privieged postition? Certainly. The US is a secular society. Definitely – though less than Europe.
Persecution is when the government comes to arrst you for you faith. There are people around the world, Christians and others, who are being beaten and starved and jailed and killed for their faith. It is an insult to them for any American to talk whine about being “persecuted”.
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Scout
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I’m not denying the fact that religious persecution is worse in other countries, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist in the US.
And I’m not denying that the world has seen some horrific acts, all done in the name of Christianity. However, that doesn’t make persecution okay.
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puzzleannie
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have you been thrown in jail, sent to a gas chamber, had your fingernails plucked out, placed on house arrest, gunned down by armed government or revolutionary agents, forced into attending underground religious services, had your livelihood, family, home or business seized or destroyed because you are Catholic? Then you have not undergone religious persecution.
with all its faults and its increasingly secular popular culture, America is still the country with the best protections of rights and freedoms in the world. Why not become a good, concerned, involved citizen and work on improving government and evangelizing the culture instead of tripping off to Canada (surely you cannot imagine you will have more freedom there, have you taken a good look at Canada lately?)
with all its faults and its increasingly secular popular culture, America is still the country with the best protections of rights and freedoms in the world. Why not become a good, concerned, involved citizen and work on improving government and evangelizing the culture instead of tripping off to Canada (surely you cannot imagine you will have more freedom there, have you taken a good look at Canada lately?)
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st_julie
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Quo Vadis Persecution is good for honing Christian virtue. Be not afraid.
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iserve
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Catholics would be in a much better position if they could get it together from within. Instead of sending our children to schools where heathen virtues are taught, we could better support Catholic schools and make them more accessible to a majority of Catholics, not just the richest ones. We could see to it that our own organizations follow Catholic values and principals, so they can let go of worrying about losing contracts and start worrying about losing souls. Catholics could stop trying to be mainstream by selling out to secularism and seeking a higher education that only nets a better job, not a better educated person. Catholics could get it together if they pressed their bishops to lead instead of meeting in secret and coming out a few pounds heavier for all the buffets, but have not one bit to show the people for it. Catholics could take a look back to the great sacrifices and fidelity shown by their ancestors and try to emulate them in our godless world. Instead, we keep arguing and fighting amongst ourselves, everybody clamoring to get on the top tier, whilst the foundation is crumbling away, bit by bit.
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Scout
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I’m not suggesting that our religious persecution is anything compared to other countries. However, persecution is persecution. I realize that we have it easy compared to many other countries, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have persecution.
I actually am a good, concerned, involved citizen. I am working to improve our country. I’m not planning on going anywhere. I was just asking a question-do you think it’ll ever get so bad that we’ll have to leave, and if so, would you be willing to do so.
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djrakowski
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Goodness, I was beginning to think that I was the only one who felt this way. I’ve never been arrested for attending church or owning a Bible, and I still have a job. Sure, Christian views may not, on the whole, be popular in America, but at least we’re still permitted to hold them!
Does anyone recall that, after last year’s U.S. national election, people who voted for President Bush cited “morals/values” as a primary reason? It certainly doesn’t sound like persecution when a person can become president on a platform that emphasizes (primarily Christian) morals and values!
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