A New Face to Traditionalism?

[labernadette]

If you could get them in to observe that reverence, lots. But you have to get them in.
Honestly, I probably never would have found the beauty of tradition if it weren’t for sites like monkrock.com that told me about traditionalism. I would probably still have my screwed up ways of thinking. And yes, it was the grace of the gimmick, given to me by the grace of God.

Hmm, that is interesting…would you say that in these times of misguided and mislead youth (and adults), that is the answer? I acknowledge that there are many young people out in the world today without a clue of tradition and its importance, who have lost or never had their Catholic Faith, many misguided souls adrift in a sea of modernism, [edited by Moderator]. So must modernism be used to retrieve the souls lost due to modernism?

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Hmm, that is interesting…would you say that in these times of misguided and mislead youth (and adults), that is the answer? I acknowledge that there are many young people out in the world today without a clue of tradition and its importance, who have lost or never had their Catholic Faith, many misguided souls adrift in a sea of modernism, [edited by Moderator]. So must modernism be used to retrieve the souls lost due to modernism?

Modernism is not being used. Nothing, other than coffee, t-shirts and buttons, is modern about the approach or the presentation.

We are in the world, but not of it. Those who are in the world might need the trappings of the world to bring them to understanding that we are not actually of the world.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I don’t understand this desire to tear apart something that was created with full desire to bring the beauty of traditionalism to the younger generation.
Not all of us were blessed with great Catechism, not all of us were blessed with parents who were traditional in their views. Not all of us were given the chance to read through every last encyclical given to us. Some of us have only just discovered the beauty of the Catechism and of traditional devotions.

MonkRock.com gives the website visitor a place to start. Yes, that place to start might be snappy, shiney, and modern in it’s presentation, but it is a catalyst, and takes the modern Catholic young adult to a place they might not have been before.

 

[labernadette]

I don’t understand this desire to tear apart something that was created with full desire to bring the beauty of traditionalism to the younger generation.
Not all of us were blessed with great Catechism, not all of us were blessed with parents who were traditional in their views. Not all of us were given the chance to read through every last encyclical given to us. Some of us have only just discovered the beauty of the Catechism and of traditional devotions.

MonkRock.com gives the website visitor a place to start. Yes, that place to start might be snappy, shiney, and modern in it’s presentation, but it is a catalyst, and takes the modern Catholic young adult to a place they might not have been before.

Certainly, you make good points, but I hold the opinion that our faith does not need gimmick, it stands alone. It is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church instituted by Jesus Christ. And it is really a rather sad fact that we in this age must use gimmick, trendiness, and “cool” to attract the young to their faith, a faith that I believe, they never really had. And if they “never had it” it is damning evidence of the errors of modernism [edited by Moderator].

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Certainly, you make good points, but I hold the opinion that our faith does not need gimmick, it stands alone. It is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church instituted by Jesus Christ. And it is really a rather sad fact that we in this age must use gimmick, trendiness, and “cool” to attract the young to their faith, a faith that I believe, they never really had. And if they “never had it” it is damning evidence of the errors of modernism[edited by Moderator].

Can, and should, these teens/young adults be punished because of their parent’s poor catechism, and in turn, their poor catechism? No. Rather, we need to appeal to them to show them the truth, because “appeals” and “gimmicks” are all they know.
Christ did not come for the righteous.

 

[Unitas]

We must condemn the modernist notion that just because something is new that it is therefore better.

But at the same time we must not assume the opposite that just because something is new that it is therefore bad, either.

Tradition maintains the fidelity of faith to the Truth, it doesn’t dictate how that faith is to be taught. As long as it’s the Truth being taught without corruption, you can’t condemn the vehicle of that Truth unless the vehicle itself is contrary to that Truth. (Then it wouldn’t be taught without corruption.)

As far as this website is concerned even with it’s buzz words and colloquialisms, it is the Truth being taught. That’s what matters. The buzz words and colloquialisms on the site does not damage the Truth.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

As far as this website is concerned even with it’s buzz words and colloquialisms, it is the Truth being taught. That’s what matters. The buzz words and colloquialisms on the site does not damage the Truth.

Thank you.

 

[labernadette]

Can, and should, these teens/young adults be punished because of their parent’s poor catechism, and in turn, their poor catechism? No. Rather, we need to appeal to them to show them the truth, because “appeals” and “gimmicks” are all they know.
Christ did not come for the righteous.

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

There will come a day when many will get down on their knees in fear…they will not need gimmicks then. Children and young adults today are treated as though they were “little kings” and “little queens”, there is a tendency by many to use soft and sentimental approaches with them, that is a great error that has become the norm with parents today, and it is evident in the way most young people treat adults, without care and without respect. The sad thing is that what goes around, comes around, and they will pay the price.

I can see where you are coming from in your argument, but I think it is not necessarily true.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

There will come a day when many will get down on their knees in fear…they will not need gimmicks then. Children and young adults today are treated as though they were “little kings” and “little queens”, there is a tendency by many to use soft and sentimental approaches with them, that is a great error that has become the norm with parents today, and it is evident in the way most young people treat adults, without care and without respect. The sad thing is that what goes around, comes around, and they will pay the price.

I can see where you are coming from in your argument, but I think it is not necessarily true.

They may not need gimmicks then, but perhaps they need them now so they are not falling on their knees in fear, but rather in love and reverence, because they know the truth.

Thank you for at least seeing my side of the argument.
I see yours as well, and I do agree that there should be no need for gimmicks or glitz.

 

[labernadette]

They may not need gimmicks then, but perhaps they need them now so they are not falling on their knees in fear, but rather in love and reverence, because they know the truth.

Thank you for at least seeing my side of the argument.
I see yours as well, and I do agree that there should be no need for gimmicks or glitz.

I offer my thanks to you as well.

 

[bear06]

I got a quick response from the folks that host monkrock.com He was on his way out of town but said he will take a look at the thread when he gets back but to let you know this:

Feel to pass on that me and my family are not heretic Modernists

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[Franze]

The traditionalism in catholicism must be united with the traditionalism in politics.

 

[Jacafamala]

Ha ha! What is next? How about hosts sold as cookies? Oops! that has already been done. Or maybe auctioning off the Holy Eucharist on Ebay? Seems that has been done too. So much for disrespecting that which pertains to our Faith. Maybe we should try to promote RESPECT, rather than blasphemy.

Whoa Nelly, are we talking about coffee or the Eucharist?

Pax Christi,
Ann

 

[ReConverted]

monkrock.com/s/cart.php?target=product&product_id=634&category_id=41

Modernist? Doesn’t appear to be…

 

[PatienceAndLove]

MonkRock.com has added some more stuff!
Yay!!!

1. Douay-Rheims Bible
2. 1962 Daily Missal
3. How To Be a Monastic and Not Leave Your Day Job
4. Strangers to the City

 

[Genesis315]

I know labernadette is no longer participating, but I think the words of Pius XII are wise for this situation:

“All moreover should abhor that intemperate zeal which imagines that whatever is new should for that very reason be opposed or suspected.”

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I know labernadette is no longer participating, but I think the words of Pius XII are wise for this situation:

“All moreover should abhor that intemperate zeal which imagines that whatever is new should for that very reason be opposed or suspected.”

Confuzzled…
Are you saying this website is good or bad?

 

[Genesis315]

Confuzzled…
Are you saying this website is good or bad?

I said neither But I saw in some posts a very intemperate zeal that was opposing new simply because it was new–according to Pius XII we are to abhor that kind of attitude.

Having now read their manifesto, I will say good

I don’t see how anyone could see the below as a bad thing.
manifesto:

Monkrock, unlike punkrock, is not a reaction to the mainstream or popular culture or the status quo, and no, monkrock is not a reaction to punkrock. Monkrock, unlike **punkrock, is not rebellion, and no, it is not " rebellion of rebellion ". Monkrock seeks to be proactive and not reactive, contemplative and not impulsive, existing for reconstruction, not deconstruction, tradition, not novelty, restoration, not revolution. **
Where the punkrock ideal is formed, fueled, and sustained by a common hatred for the world, the monkrock ideal is formed, fueled, and sustained by a common love for it. However, this " love " for the world is not utopian, democratic, or progressive, but other-worldly, hierarchal, and redemptive, understanding that man is free only to do good, reason and not the senses are to inform the will, man is only as dignified as he conforms himself to truth, inequality is a necessary good, less IS more, modesty is beautiful, suffering is salvific, this world is not our home, and all are called to live the life of monks.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

I know labernadette is no longer participating, but I think the words of Pius XII are wise for this situation:

“All moreover should abhor that intemperate zeal which imagines that whatever is new should for that very reason be opposed or suspected.”

AMEN! Half the time “traditionalists” trot out the term “modernism,” they haven’t a clue what it really is (a specific heresy outlined and defined by the Church, NOT all things contemporary).

 

[anthony022071]

That site is just shallow. Its basically just an internet store selling stuff and calling it “tradition” and “lifestyle”. It’s for people looking for a “religious experience”,not necessarily truth. It’s niche marketing. Their manifesto is muddle-headed.