A New Jersey man gets seven years for being a responsible gun owner!

[colmcille1]

After reading the following historical facts, read the part
about Switzerland twice!

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control… From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million*
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated…

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million*.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.

With guns, we are ‘citizens.’

Without them, we are ‘subjects’.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade mainland United States because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message
to all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is
supplemental.

SWITZERLAND** ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!**

SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

**SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY **
CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

Kennesaw, GA imposed a law that every head of household must keep at least one gun. The crime rates plummeted. In contrast, where there are the most gun laws, there is the highest crime rates. (NYC, DC, Chicago, Detroit)

IT’S A NO BRAINER!
DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS
IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

Hi stan,
What your declamatory post indicates is that you are vehemently against gun control. But yet, I believe that ultimately you are very much FOR a version of gun control. IOW, you would not, presumably, remove the necessity of gun licences? The world in peacetime is run on a different socio-political dynamic.
Also, the Swiss example is interesting. If ever there was a close-fitting example of an ordered society this is it. You have to consider the Swiss temperament, the particular mindset of a people who jealously guard their almost Utopian system of government and society.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[vz71]

BTW, the feeling of power I experienced when I initially handled this weapon lasted for about thirty seconds. This was then replaced by a nauseous feeling of sadness for the rest of the filming, a full three hours. I think this adequately shows that I do not possess blood lust.

The proper response is one of respect and caution, not excitement and power.

Your 30 seconds of insanity is enough to show that you should never own a firearm.
But do not read your 30 seconds as an indication of what normal people feel when in possession of a firearm.

As to how I would know about the vast majority? Personal first hand experience.
Check the location tab, gun ownership where I live is the norm, not the exception.

 

[colmcille1]

I have to agree with the elder statesman SamH on this one. Colmcille has worked in the land of make believe, and on a “Deliverance” set to boot. I wonder why?

As my previous post mentioned, does the Church allow you to judge other’s hearts? Have a nice weekend.

Peace, Graubo

Hi Graubo,
As I pointed out to vz, sneering weakens ones position and shows a poor grasp of debating strength.
You should answer your own questions with regard to “wonder”.
I never worked on a ““Deliverance” set” and can see how your interpretation of the information presented tallies with your status as a poor debater.
Can you please indicate precisely the words of judgement I used?
I am not aware of the calendar system where you reside but here in my part of the world the weekend means Saturday and Sunday. As we are currently within that timespace labelled Monday your “have a nice weekend” is a mysterious non-sequitur.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[vz71]

I recall the news stories surrounding an horrific shooting spree in the town of Hungerford, UK, several years back. A lone gunman shot dead a number of people in this otherwise quiet English town. A psychologist commented at the time that, despite our brilliant scientific and technological advances as a species, we ultimately know very little about the human heart. So, this is where our focus should be: cure the violent heart and you will not need a tool to express that violence.

Pray tell…

Did this murderer hold back for the unarmed status of the victims?

 

[vz71]

If I may add a personal note here. About twenty years back, I was involved in the acting business. On set we were filming a send-up of the infamous mountain men scene in the movie ‘Deliverance’.

Hi Graubo,
I never worked on a ““Deliverance” set” and can see how your interpretation of the information presented tallies with your status as a poor debater.

OK, so which is the lie?

 

[vz71]

Hi Graubo,
As I pointed out to vz, sneering weakens ones position and shows a poor grasp of debating strength.

And also be advised…
A sneer is any argument that weakens his position.

 

[colmcille1]

The proper response is one of respect and caution, not excitement and power.

Your 30 seconds of insanity is enough to show that you should never own a firearm.
But do not read your 30 seconds as an indication of what normal people feel when in possession of a firearm.

As to how I would know about the vast majority? Personal first hand experience.
Check the location tab, gun ownership where I live is the norm, not the exception.

Hi vz,
I am sorry to say that you are digging an ever bigger hole for yourself here.
You now state that you have “personal first hand experience” of the vast majority of gun owners. Forgive me if I do not take you on trust with this one. And therefore you should also not be surprised that i do not consider seriously for a nano second your comment about my thirty-second feeling twenty years ago.
It’s been interesting chatting with you.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[vz71]

Can you please indicate precisely the words of judgement I used?

Absolutely.

You admit to 30 seconds of blood lust, and project those feelings upon everyone else.

You have placed a judgement upon every other person on earth that we all react in a fashion similar to your own when holding a gun.

 

[vz71]

Hi vz,
And therefore you should also not be surprised that i do not consider seriously for a nano second your comment about my thirty-second feeling twenty years ago.

Right.
So what would you call this 30 seconds? Sanity?

 

[Samson01]

Deer season is in. Good luck. Kids have off all this week to fill the freezer.

 

[colmcille1]

Absolutely.

You admit to 30 seconds of blood lust, and project those feelings upon everyone else.

You have placed a judgement upon every other person on earth that we all react in a fashion similar to your own when holding a gun.

Hi vz,
Again, I hate to ponint these things out to you: check the posts again. Do you deliberately misquote?
More to the point at hand, I would like to hear your defence ot the statement about your “personal first hand experience”. (That’s an accurate quote, by the way!)
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[vz71]

Again, I hate to ponint these things out to you: check the posts again. Do you deliberately misquote?

I did not quote anything.
I just took you at your word.
You describe blood lust rather well…

When I held this beast of a thing the instant feeling of power was unnerving.

I guess I should know better then to accept your words at face value…

I never worked on a ““Deliverance” set”

On set we were filming a send-up of the infamous mountain men scene in the movie ‘Deliverance’.

Which is the lie?

 

[Listen_to_This]

If I read the article correctly, it seems the state of NJ coinsiders you guilty until proven innocent if you are in possession of a handgun.

You read the article wrong. Possession is the crime, all elements of which have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. A person who possessed a gun can show an exception applied, but the the accused bears the burden on the exception.

 

[Listen_to_This]

I’m personally not a fan of guns, but that’s neither here nor there. This kid got a bum rap, no doubt about it…but what do you do when the judge is corrupt? I mean the JUDGE. What can you do? I think this case is ridiculous!!! Also, don’t cops need a warrant to search your trunk? I think they can “ask” you to open it…and most people do (because they think they have to) - but as far as I know, you can refuse and then they need a warrant to inspect your trunk.

What is your evidence that the judge was corrupt?

 

[Listen_to_This]

Even after reading the obviously biased article, it appears this guy broke the law. He possessed a firearm. His claim that he was moving is not supported by the scenario in the article. He was moving from his residence in Colorado to an apartment in New Jersey. When he was arrested he was going from his parents’ house (not his residence) to his apartment.

There is no additional exception that allows a person to transport a gun from his parents’ residence to his own residence. He should have taken the gun directly from his Colorado residence to his New Jersey residence.

He broke the law. A jury heard the evidence and convicted him. He will now have plenty time to think about the importance of following the law. I congratulate the judge and jury.

nraila.org/media/misc/nj.htm

 

[colmcille1]

I did not quote anything.
I just took you at your word.
You describe blood lust rather well…
I guess I should know better then to accept your words at face value…
Which is the lie?

Hi vz,
Again I ask you: please defend your statement that you have “personal first hand experience” of the vast majority of gun owners.
Until you do that adequately, I cannot take seriously anything you say.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[SamH]

Hi vz,
Again I ask you: please defend your statement that you have “personal first hand experience” of the vast majority of gun owners.
Until you do that adequately, I cannot take seriously anything you say.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

Just an observation, but how can the vast majority of 80 million gun owners have a reaction similar to your mere 20 seconds and not a act on them?

 

[colmcille1]

Just an observation, but how can the vast majority of 80 million gun owners have a reaction similar to your mere 20 seconds and not a act on them?

Hi Sam,
I do not understand your question. Can you enlighten me?
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[Graubo3]

Apologies to you, stanmaxkolbe. This will be my last response away from OP.

Hi Graubo,
As I pointed out to vz, sneering weakens ones position and shows a poor grasp of debating strength.
You should answer your own questions with regard to “wonder”.
I never worked on a ““Deliverance” set” and can see how your interpretation of the information presented tallies with your status as a poor debater.

Intentionally de-railing and hi-jacking threads away from the OP, I believe is against forum rules and it shows a poor grasp by you to adhere to rules. I have never claimed to be a debater and I also think that shows poorly upon your grasp of what I have written. I guess I never realized that we were in debate because your concise argument lacks precision and definition, much like the would-be spray from that shotgun you held playing “Deliverance” that freaked you out. I still agree with SamH, you should never be allowed to own a gun. You have made many rash generalizations that have me laughing rather than “sneering”. I see your debating skills are swaying others into your way of thinking:thumbsup:. God bless the U.S.A. and the freedom worth dying for! I guess if you have never had it, you wouldn’t understand it.

Can you please indicate precisely the words of judgement I used?

But I truly believe that guns are the result of a disordered desire that is born in the human heart.

I think the Church is pretty clear in her teachings about judging the hearts of others. Thank God for the wisdom the Church teaches and her freedom worth dying for. Have a nice weekend.

Peace, Graubo

 

[colmcille1]

Apologies to you, stanmaxkolbe. This will be my last response away from OP.

Intentionally de-railing and hi-jacking threads away from the OP, I believe is against forum rules and it shows a poor grasp by you to adhere to rules. I have never claimed to be a debater and I also think that shows poorly upon your grasp of what I have written. I guess I never realized that we were in debate because your concise argument lacks precision and definition, much like the would-be spray from that shotgun you held playing “Deliverance” that freaked you out. I still agree with SamH, you should never be allowed to own a gun. You have made many rash generalizations that have me laughing rather than “sneering”. I see your debating skills are swaying others into your way of thinking:thumbsup:. God bless the U.S.A. and the freedom worth dying for! I guess if you have never had it, you wouldn’t understand it.
I think the Church is pretty clear in her teachings about judging the hearts of others. Thank God for the wisdom the Church teaches and her freedom worth dying for. Have a nice weekend.
Peace, Graubo

Hi Graubo,
Thank you for your reply.
My intention is not to derail this thread. We all know that is the business of the assorted trolls out there. In any case, one may legitimately ask: is my initial question necessarily off topic? When you cite this “off topic” point as possible refutation of my argument it reflects badly upon you. Why? Because you were happy to engage with me up to now and, dare I say, when you see the weakness of your argument, you fall back on the old chestnut of it being “off topic”.
Next, I acted in a comedy sketch. It was a send-up of a scene from the movie ‘Deliverance’. It was intended as a comedic comment on a spate of robberies that occurred in rural Ireland at that time. Now, is this clear? It was not a movie, it was not something called ‘Deliverance’ and, to enlighten the other poster,it was not a “Deliverance set”. The reason I draw your attention to these facts is because I wish to highlight how selective and erroneous your grasp of what is written can be.
Next, I feel it is sad that you would play the jingoistic card here. You seem to view my debate as an assault on your country and then you childishly intone that “if you never had it, you wouldn’t understand it”. Sir, you do not know the first thing about freedom if you invoke it’s name as a haughty sneer to others.
I find it doubly tragic that you then have the temerity to speak about the Church and her wisdom and conflating it’s role with your view of America’s role : both “worth dying for”.
Sir, I will pray for your guidance.
God Bless,
Colmcille.