"A New Power Rises"

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Given the increasing strength and aggressiveness of China and its pawn, North Korea, Japan can hardly be blamed for wanting to be stronger militarily.
 
Indeed, especially as rockets have been sent over, and in proximity to Japan. Some family members were in Japan at the time of the second event, and saw first hand, the unease and concern of their Japanese friends.

We Australians, located as we are, also feel concern…our loyalties are clear.
The Government received a surprising letter this week that cannot have any effect on our position.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/20/asia/north-korea-australia-letter/
 
Japan seems to know something . About an imminent attack…
 
Nope, not a chance.

The border is rugged and heavily mined.

Also tanks don’t have a chance against modern air superiority.
The A-10 Warthog would have a field day since it was designed to be a tank killer.
 
I hope you are right. Still, from the article:

““With 70% of the Ground Force positioned south of the Pyongyang-Wonsan line, North Korea is maintaining a military posture capable of conducting a surprise attack at any time,” reads the South Korean Ministry of National Defense 2014 defense white paper. “In particular, the 170 mm self-propelled guns and 240 mm MRLS [multiple launch rocket systems] in forward positions are capable of surprise, massive concentrated fire on the Greater Seoul Metropolitan Area (GSMA).”

A surprise attack by NoKo would have the U.S. scrambling to evacuate dependents, and possibly a scramble of South Korean citizens trying to evacuate themselves. I don’t know what the military outcome would be or how it would play out. Rapid deployment of US and SoKo aircraft would be critical.

I’m assuming North Korea would not use nukes but that’s not a given.
 
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I’m not saying it wouldn’t be messy if they targeted Seoul, it would be

Maybe an analogy - They can throw things over the fence, but they won’t be able to cross the fence without air superiority.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
Japan seems to know something . About an imminent attack…
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I was in Japan for work a few weeks back. The office area had a TV on showing the news the entire time and while i could not understand a single word they were saying, it was quite obvious they were talking about NK a whole heck of a lot. they had pictures of the NK leader and President Trump or the NK flag, and American flag whenever they were talking about it. they also had pictures of aircraft and other military equipment under each flag, which i took to be a comparison of the size of each countries military.
 
Given that most of those tanks are obsolete T-54s, T-55s, and T-62s, I doubt it. Even the relatively modern T-72 is no match for an M-1 Abrahams tank. The US Army feasted on T-72s during Desert Storm. I don’t think they’ll perform much better in North Korean hands than they did in Iraqi ones.
 
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Given that most of those tanks are obsolete T-54s, T-55s, and T-62s, I doubt it. Even the relatively modern T-72 is no match for an M-1 Abrahams tank. The US Army feasted on T-72s during Desert Storm. I don’t think they’ll perform much better in North Korean hands than they did in Iraqi ones.
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You might be right, but one also remembers that in WWII, American Shermans were hopelessly outclassed by German Panthers and Tigers, one-on-one. It’s just that we had so many more Shermans than the Germans had Panthers and Tigers (and certainly air power played a role). How many M-1 Abrams do we or the South Koreans have there?
 
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You might be right, but one also remembers that in WWII, American Shermans were hopelessly outclassed by German Panthers and Tigers, one-on-one. It’s just that we had so many more Shermans than the Germans had Panthers and Tigers (and certainly air power played a role). How many M-1 Abrams do we or the South Koreans have there?
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The US produced almost 40,000 Sherman tanks in WW2, most serving in Europe. The Germans produced less than 2,000 Tiger and King Tiger tanks in the same period, and most of those fought on the Russian front. We’re not talking about those kind of ratios.
 
All the USA needs to do is to slowly and quietly start to send the US military dependents back home.
 
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Japan has already developed a substantial anti-missile-missile system deployed aboard Japanese destroyer hulls.

I think they just increased their deployed fleet to two ships. With the remainder in port.

A while back I posted an inventory of the Japanese anti-missile systems. From public sources.
 
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We also are switching to smart artillery shells. They find their targets “autonomously”.
 
I just hope that the defenses are sufficient to deal with, say, a 3am Sunday morning massive surprise attack. North Korea apparently believes firmly that it can win the next Korean war.
 
The biggest problem in North Korea is that there’s nobody who can tell Kim Jung Un that he’s wrong. Hitler thought he was going to win WW2 as the Russians were on the outskirts of Berlin. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same level of delusion exists in Pyongyang.
 
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You might be right, but one also remembers that in WWII, American Shermans were hopelessly outclassed by German Panthers and Tigers, one-on-one. It’s just that we had so many more Shermans than the Germans had Panthers and Tigers (and certainly air power played a role). How many M-1 Abrams do we or the South Koreans have there?
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Have we had a tank battle since WW2?

In both Iraq battles, our air power decimated their vehicles before our tanks engaged.
Our hand held anti-tank missiles have also come a long way since WW2
 
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I just hope that the defenses are sufficient to deal with, say, a 3am Sunday morning massive surprise attack. North Korea apparently believes firmly that it can win the next Korean war.
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I recall Seoul has many bomb shelters and they have regular city wide practice alarms when air raid sirens go off, all transportation shuts down, and everyone moves to a safe location. They are better prepared for conflict than any other industrialized city.
 
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