If it is truly intelligent then how do we know it will not come up with its own superstitions?
As the creator of this intelligence, would we not be as God to it?
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As the creator of this intelligence, would we not be as God to it?
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BobCatholic
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Artificial intelligence without artificial conscience, always leads to evil.
Skynet and Hal come to mind.
Skynet and Hal come to mind.
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Solmyr
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I guess, we shall just have to wait and see.
I can suggest a short story for you to read: themindi.blogspot.com/2007/02/chapter-19-non-serviam.html It talks exactly about the question you posited. Well worth your time to read it.
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Solmyr
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I think your “always” is not very well established. Especially based upon two science fiction stories.
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Bradski
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We could hardly call ourselves omniscient if we made something and had no idea how it would evolve (which might be God’s position in regard to us anyway - omniscience is simply a definition of God, not a logical requirement).
I just listened to a TED talk where it was suggested that most leaders in the field of AI believe there’s a 50% chance of building a machine that will match Man for intelligence by 2050. And a 90% chance of that happening by 2090. ted.com/talks/nick_bostrom_what_happens_when_our_computers_get_smarter_than_we_are?language=en
Best start thinking about some safeguards before we get there.
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inocente
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Let’s say Apple starts making AI units and calls them iPersons. Each iPerson would obviously have wifi and Bluetooth, because everything is better with Bluetooth.
So say an iPerson in Moscow is having a party for humans and doesn’t know how to cook paella, it/he/she sends a request over the internet and iPersons in Madrid upload the instructions. Where their individual instructions differ, they do a bit of peer-to-peer to sort out any issues.
Essentially, every iPerson knows what every other iPerson knows, and whenever one learns, they all learn instantly. Hive mind. So superstitions probably wouldn’t last long.
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Lion_IRC
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Did they clarify that the machines in 2090 would only be able to fool ‘primitive’ humans from the year 2016?
Yes, computers might be smarter, but so too will the humans who designed those machines.
There’s a reason it’s called artificial.
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Lion_IRC
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Meanwhile, in other news, Usain Bolt loses race with a Ferrari.
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Bradski
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The smartest computer at the moment is about as smart as a four year old. gizmodo.com/one-of-the-worlds-best-a-i-computers-is-as-smart-as-a-791902984.
Human IQ rises at about 3 points per decade. So in 75 years you’ll be a lot smarter.
But the rise in computer power will be exponential. What put men on the moon only 45 years ago is a lot dumber than this iPad on which I’m typing. In my business I have gone from producing drawings by scratching lines on some paper, just the same as the Ancient Eqyptians would have done on a piece of papyrus, to virtual reality.
You’d never heard of the term Google a few years back and now you have more information literally at your fingertips than anyone else that has ever existed. For a few dollars a week.
You won’t believe what is going to happen in the next few years. You need to be prepared for it. We all do. Pretty soon it will be too fast to logically control.
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o_mlly
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I hope that the programmers soon develop a scheme that allows my laptop to solve the CAPCHA test instantly. However, if the laptop’s voice tells me it now wants to be placed next to my desktop during the night so some wires can cohabitate then I suppose I’ll first have to send them both to a pre-cana conference.
Superstitions perhaps.
But religion is deeper.
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BobCatholic
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So take a look at a recent incident where Microsoft put up a AI bot which promptly started spouted racist and bigoted stuff. People taught it to be evil.I think your “always” is not very well established. Especially based upon two science fiction stories.
techcrunch.com/2016/03/24/microsoft-silences-its-new-a-i-bot-tay-after-twitter-users-teach-it-racism/
Artificial intelligence without artificial conscience = evil.
Period.
Just like natural intelligence without natural conscience = evil.
It always happens.
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ThinkingSapien
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I’m going to in all seriousness ask what may sound like a silly question. But in this context, what is evil?
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DaveBj
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Here’s what I’ve heard: like cold is the absence of heat, and darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good.
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mikekle
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They have robots right now that it is difficult to determine if its human or not, give it another 20-50 years…we can not even speculate about how AI technology will be at that time, Im sure if we saw it today, we would say ‘impossible’ or it would look like magic to us, just like if you were to show a modern cell phone to a person back in the 1960s or 70s, they would call that magic imo.
No matter what, computer technology WILL surpass humans eventually, and when that happens, whatever safeguards we think will protect us, its likely they wont, the computer/robot will be more intelligent than we are and its intelligence will GROW much faster.
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ThinkingSapien
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The “lack of good” definition seems that it could be applied to a number of otherwise innocuous things.
I’ve seen some people use the term “evil” to refer to harmful intent. I’ve heard some refer to anything that causes damage or hard (ex:a rock the slid off a cliff would be “evil” if it hit someone).
Wondering what usage was being applied to A.I. above.
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Bradski
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I think that you meant your religion.
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Bradski
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Did you know that if your wife Googles something and you Google exactly the same thing, you will get different results. There are algorithms that filter your search depending on what you have been previously looking at.
Your computer is effectively deciding what to show you. And it knows a lot about you.
And in passing, anyone with an internet connection can find out anything about you with no problem at all. A guy on another forum didn’t believe this so a friend and myself, using methods that I won’t explain, decided to see what information we could get about him having nothing more than his forum name and the fact that he’d mentioned months earlier that he lived in California.
We ended up with his current employer, job history, school year book, address, telephone numbers, pictures of his family, some freaky pictures of his time in a glamour band in the 70’s, car rego etc. If we were so inclined we could have got financial details as well, but we thought we’d proved a point.
So be careful…
Nope, wrong.
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ThinkingSapien
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I was able to do the same thing in a certain forum with only a profile image. I never gave hint to the person that he or she was so easy to find. It can be hard to be anonymous these days?
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