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That’s a very strict way to view the faith
It’s also very false

Jesus always spoke about how suffering and sadness can be used to help us

I’m sure he wasn’t talking about only suffering from sins or that true sadness only comes from sinning

If true sadness only comes from sin
Why did Jesus weep when Lazarus died? Was he not showing perfect charity?
Jesus never sinned yet experienced great sadness and suffering.

Sadness and suffering actually merit us
But that wouldn’t be so if the only good sadness came from sinning because we would have to sin to gain these merits.

Your views of the faith is scrupulous (I struggle with this too) but do not let in ruin your view of the truths like it has

Pain can be felt and be good for our souls
 
Again those arguments remit to someplace else.
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The joy of marriage stems from nature and not from faith, so it is not meritorious.
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The joy of charity is supernatural and thus spousal love is a special unique case, bringing together Eros, Agape, Caritas and Philia all in one. In a dynamic of love.

As some in the church have said following the Fátima seer Lúcia words “The final battle will be over the family.” Thus I’m not about to let the joys of family be devalued or called into question by some abstract detached separation of the joys (however profitable that exercise in discerning - it is only partial, thus not complete nor encompassing nor entirely applied.) [It needn’t necessarily be done, not by way of some imperative categorical devaluation of one over the other.] I’d put emphasis on bearing the cross wisely when it comes your way, that’s the decisive moment when joy and happiness are most at stake of being lost.
 
Beautiful post @ineedofmercy I all too frequently forget those points and examples.
 
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ineedofmercy said:
If true sadness only comes from sin
Why did Jesus weep when Lazarus died? Was he not showing perfect charity?
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The soul of Christ was not in sorrow because of the death of Lazarus, his tears came from his sensitivity and not from the sadness of his soul. Christ in his soul was always in joy, even if his sensitivity could sometimes show signs of sadness.
In Heaven, for example, the saints are always in perfect joy as they see all our sufferings and misery because they are stripped of sensible passions.
In human nature when one is in perfect charity, only our sensitive passions can show signs of sadness, but the peak of our soul must always be in joy. Jesus was in this state throughout his earthly life.
 
adgloriam said:
The joy of charity is supernatural and thus spousal love is a special unique case, bringing together Eros, Agape, Caritas and Philia all in one. In a dynamic of love.
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Supernatural joy is the result of Faith, and not of sensible passions. The joys of marriage are sensitive joys that even those who do not have Faith know.
The joys of marital love and the supernatural joy of the Faith are incompatible. This is one of the reasons why those who want to have a contemplative life must live in perfect chastity. It’s the opinion of St Thomas, and St Augustine.
I know that the present pastoral ministry of the Church is in a marketting operation, that overvalues marriage in order to make its message interesting to the contemporary man, for whom the happiness of conjugal love is what is better.
 
Mboo said:
In human nature when one is in perfect charity, only our sensitive passions can show signs of sadness, but the peak of our soul must always be in joy. Jesus was in this state throughout his earthly life.
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This is pure supposition, and it’s not even logical. Was He joyful while He was sweating blood in Gethsemane?
 
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This is pure supposition, and it’s not even logical. Was He joyful while He was sweating blood in Gethsemane?
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it is not my opinion, but it is a truth shared by St Thomas, and all the saints. The top of the soul of Christ was always in joy, even in Gethsemani. It is his sensibility that was in the sadness, at Gethsemani.
 
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All the saints who spoke of the joy of Christ. At least all those I have readed.
 
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The TOP of thé soul …
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Ohh, the soul has a top, a bottom, a left and a right, a center and a periphery, how exalting…How many parts does the soul have? How much does it weight?
 
The top of the soul probably means the superior and more spiritual part. The bottom is the sensual one. This is used in a lot of theological books I read.
 
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The top of the soul probably means the superior and more spiritual part. The bottom is the sensual one. This is used in a lot of theological books I read.
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Is there a rigorous definition of the parts? I haven’t seen it and don’t deem the separation especially relevant.
 
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We are told to take Joy because the sadness our bodies and souls experience
Is not in heaven and temporary
So yes joy is our objective
But sadness is not wrong and part of the Catholic life and spirituality

Suffering and sadness bring us to God and Jesus did experience deep sorrow so that he could fully experience the pains of his people

This is all obvious

Do not remain so steadfast in your wrong idea about the faith

Believing being sad is turning against God will ultimately just turn people away from the faith.its wrong believe suffering is wrong
 
ineedofmercy said:
We are told to take Joy because the sadness our bodies and souls experience
Is not in heaven and temporary
So yes joy is our objective
But sadness is not wrong and part of the Catholic life and spirituality
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The Christian is happy (spiritually, that is to say at the level of the top of his soul) when he is sad ( in his sensitivity, that is to say in the lower part of his soul).
Read the beatitudes, we are invited to be happy when we are sad according to the world: " Blessed are the poor, blessed are those who mourn, blessed are those who are persecuted…"

In other words, the Christian who has a perfect charity desire to be in situations where he will be sad (according to nature, according to the world) in order to experience joy (according to the Faith, according to God).

In other words, the moment Jesus was happiest in this world was during his passion.
 
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He was happy because he knew the end result
Just like Martyrs because they know they die for Christ
They do not need to ignore their emotions or force smiles
But simply be happy knowing they do good
So if a Catholic grieves to God on how he longs for a companion
He does not lack perfect faith, hope, or charity
He simply comes to Jesus with his sadness,longings, and desires
While some may turn towards themselves and even be angry in their sadness

Sadness alone in the natural reaction and when handled perfectly it is helpful

God whispers to us when we are Happy
He shouts out to us when we are sad
 
ineedofmercy said:
So if a Catholic grieves to God on how he longs for a companion
He does not lack perfect faith, hope, or charity
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In fact he has no charity at all, because in charity we love God for himself. For this person, God is only a means to obtain a natural happiness, his true happiness is marriage and not God, and that is not charity. In charity God is the end, and only God makes us happy, and creatures are only means to reach God.
someone who has true charity, is rather happy when he suffers according to nature, or according to the world, because he knows by his suffering, he is better configured to Jesus.
 
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He does not choose this person over God (if he does the I understand)
But he simply asks God if God wills him to have a companion to please give him one

If he desires it and is upset because he never received it yet still moves on and follows God
God values the pain he feels and understands that his desire is one God Himself gave him

Grieving over a lost desire doesn’t mean someone has chosen something over God

The put God first but companionship was their second
So to hurt when the second doesn’t work out doesn’t mean he disrespects or doesn’t still maintain God first place
It’s merely something he would’ve loved to have it God gave it to Him
Disappointment isn’t a sin or a lack of virtue
Being strong in the face of your disappointments is actually what Jesus did
Jesus loved his friends and trusted Peter especially
Peter ,A great friend of Jesus, said to Jesus ,when He was suffering the most, that he never knew him 3 times
Jesus did not enjoy this but accepted the pain

Jesus even asked in his agony that if The Father wills the cup to pass him to let it
But the cup had to come
Jesus wasn’t showing a lack of charity he couldn’t be lacking in virtue
Jesus felt the human emotion of fear and dread we all feel
And was probably disappointed knowing he would have to bear this but had joy knowing it would free his people

Disappointment doesn’t cancel out the hope and joy to meet God in heaven
It makes us like Jesus like all suffering can
 
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