A pregnant man?

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Sailor_Kenshin said:
AMEN.
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No one that I have read ever calls it ‘born in the wrong body’. Think that quote seems to come from sex blogs. The actual fact from valid research shows that while in the fetal stage of development some of the hormone levels either don’t conform to the timetable for release or simply do not release at all. This can have a dangerous consequence especially in regard to the hypothalamus as the BSTc studies show. This research clearly shows that this effect has nothing to do with being homosexual or even transgender for those might be best left to the psychological or applicable behavioral sciences.

All fetus’ are initially female in the womb for approximately the first six weeks. Then the hormones begin to design the fetus to become one sexual brain and in a separate sequence designs the sexual body. Usually both brain and body are formed to be the same.

In the case of IS and TS this does not happen in accordance with the design. Research shows that for some unexplained reason during what is called a ‘hormonal wash’ the brain sex is affected differently and not reflective of the sex hormone that is designing the body either because of a late flush or an opposite sex flush. So what happens is that a person might be born with a brain sex in contrast to their body. Not born in the wrong body but born with a body and brain sex that do not match.

This does not of course explain all of the reasons for a person born with ambiguous sexual organs but it does explain that genetic mistakes can and do happen in the womb.

I guess the problem with many is they cannot see into the brain and the disconnection between the brain and body during fetal formation so they feel they have all the answers without anything to back it up.

But then we don’t need to see anything because we have ignorant, prejudiced and intolerant people who have all of the answers without once looking at the research sources that might, just might, give them something other than their own biased opinions to offer as guides to all who might come into contact with them.

AMEN :crossrc:

Lynn-D
 
Lynn-D said:
No one that I have read ever calls it ‘born in the wrong body’. Think that quote seems to come from sex blogs. The actual fact from valid research shows that while in the fetal stage of development some of the hormone levels either don’t conform to the timetable for release or simply do not release at all. This can have a dangerous consequence especially in regard to the hypothalamus as the BSTc studies show. This research clearly shows that this effect has nothing to do with being homosexual or even transgender for those might be best left to the psychological or applicable behavioral sciences.

All fetus’ are initially female in the womb for approximately the first six weeks. Then the hormones begin to design the fetus to become one sexual brain and in a separate sequence designs the sexual body. Usually both brain and body are formed to be the same.

In the case of IS and TS this does not happen in accordance with the design. Research shows that for some unexplained reason during what is called a ‘hormonal wash’ the brain sex is affected differently and not reflective of the sex hormone that is designing the body either because of a late flush or an opposite sex flush. So what happens is that a person might be born with a brain sex in contrast to their body. Not born in the wrong body but born with a body and brain sex that do not match.

This does not of course explain all of the reasons for a person born with ambiguous sexual organs but it does explain that genetic mistakes can and do happen in the womb.

I guess the problem with many is they cannot see into the brain and the disconnection between the brain and body during fetal formation so they feel they have all the answers without anything to back it up.

But then we don’t need to see anything because we have ignorant, prejudiced and intolerant people who have all of the answers without once looking at the research sources that might, just might, give them something other than their own biased opinions to offer as guides to all who might come into contact with them.

AMEN :crossrc:

Lynn-D
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As a former science writer, I know research to be at least as biased as the secular media is.

Far too much damage has been done to the world in the name of squishy, feel-good ‘tolerance.’

This person who gave birth is not a man. She will never be a man. She is a mutilated woman. God save that poor child of hers.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
As a former science writer, I know research to be at least as biased as the secular media is.

This person who gave birth is not a man. She will never be a man. She is a mutilated woman. God save that poor child of hers.
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On that we might agree…she is not a man but a woman. In fact she is a lesbian woman who might be transgender but doubtful she is intersex or transsexual. I too fear for the child who will suffer the misguided folly of her mother.

A dear friend is also a science writer but he, like many in this forum, writes science fiction.

I was a social worker, before going on to other ventures, and in that field I learned not to mix and match as if all in need were as a result of the same causes. In that vein may I suggest that to mix and match all as if like this woman is simply a misinformed application harmful to those unlike her yet somehow linked by political inclusional opportunists.

I had a heart valve replaced. Is that too mutilation since the one I was born with was removed? Your use of the term ‘mutilation’ to be applied to others who need genital correction is off base and in opposition to valid medical research that is not at all biased but supported by The World Health Organization.

Lynn_D
 
Lynn-D said:
I had a heart valve replaced. Is that too mutilation since the one I was born with was removed? Your use of the term ‘mutilation’ to be applied to others who need genital correction is off base and in opposition to valid medical research that is not at all biased but supported by The World Health Organization.

Lynn_D
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What a heart valve replacement or the WHO has to do with this ‘man’ who’s seeking publicity is beyond my simple capacity to understand.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
What a heart valve replacement or the WHO has to do with this ‘man’ who’s seeking publicity is beyond my simple capacity to understand.
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I believe the argument is that transsexualism is a congenital defect, similar a mitral valve defect.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
What a heart valve replacement or the WHO has to do with this ‘man’ who’s seeking publicity is beyond my simple capacity to understand.
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Sorry Sailor,

I replied to your post with another’s remarks on my mind. That should be a perfect example why I should never double task and offer a single answer.😦 :bowdown2:

As I clearly stated earlier: this is a woman, not a man, who is going to have a baby just as did millions of other women this year alone. Why the surprise? Only in the minds of the delusional I might suppose who actually think this lesbian/transgender is really a man claiming a miracle…or was that Oprah? 🤷

Funny thing is that on most of the transsexual blogs the posts are 5 to 1 opposed to this person claiming to be a man. But on the transgender blogs so much support for ‘his’ ‘bravery’ it seems we now have a saint among us.:angel1:

Lynn-D
 
The World Net Daily article, mentioned by Sailor Kenshin, is based upon an article which appeared in the Boston Globe. Here is that article:
boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/qa_with_norman_spack/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed5
Working on a model borrowed from Dutch researchers, Spack uses drugs to delay the first stirrings of youngsters’ puberty, granting them a few more years before they develop bodies that are decidedly male or female. The effects of these puberty-blocking drugs are reversible; that is, patients can later change their minds. Unfortunately, this is not the case with hormones. Therefore, Spack prescribes estrogen and testosterone to only a few teenagers - after months of consultation with the patient, his or her caregivers, and psychiatrists.
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I can understand about concern about providing hormones to teens, but is there any danger from delaying puberty?
 
Dale_M said:
The World Net Daily article, mentioned by Sailor Kenshin, is based upon an article which appeared in the Boston Globe. Here is that article:
boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/qa_with_norman_spack/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed5

I can understand about concern about providing hormones to teens, but is there any danger from delaying puberty?
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There is little risk. It’s a known technique. Some kids go into puberty too early. The same drugs are used on them to delay their puberty to a more natural state. There haven’t been any noted side effects, however of course you wouldn’t really be able to say ‘absolutely none’ until we watch them all live a complete lifetime.

However, what can be said is these kids that they are going to delay puberty on are most likely like me. That is to say they will be pondering suicide at ages of 9 or 10, if not earlier and there’s absolutely no cure. I was in therapy, drugged out of my mind on all sorts of antidepressants, nothing worked. I wish I had had this choice.

So even if there is a chance for side effects, consider the ‘side effect’ of not treating them as possible suicide attempts. Statistics are not solid, but the suicide attempt rate on gender variant children is about 50% if not higher. I know I tried and came close at least four times. Every single other kid I knew at that age with the same problems also tried multiple times. It was weird to meet a kid who HADN’T tried to kill themselves at least once or twice.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
This is what I’m afraid of:

worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62010

So many poor lost souls…
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I subscribe to ‘Mass Resistance’ and read that article. Please note that this doctor is referring to transgender and that is where his brain is coming from. He like many others is confusing the issue of cross-dressers with those diagnosed true transsexuals by using the label transgender which is an umbrella term coined by a transvestite fetishist.

If he followed the original Dutch research he would have seen that Cohen-Ketennis, the researcher, did not ever suggest changing a child’s sex. She and her group suggested only for those with deeply profound sexual identity issues be given blocker drugs that would slow down but not eliminate the permanent effects of puberty until they were at least at a consenting age and only then allowing them the hormones given in preparation for sex reassignment. In this way it would allow a child to come to terms with what and who they really are before a permanent change process was allowed to begin. That is also the program used by doctors years ago before the onset of the transgender social construct in the nineties muddled peoples brains and linked fetishism with medical processes. Seems ‘Mass Resistance’ fell into their trap of confusion.

What seems to be happening is that so many are grouped into being something they are not and involved in clinics where the issue is not anything more than climbing a self constructed ladder of success driven by transgender peer groups and GLBT political opportunists.

Lynn-D
 
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