A Quantum Hologram of Christ’s Resurrection?

[SwizzleStick]

"The amazing trail of the Shroud from 544 AD

In 544 AD, in the city of Edessa, a folded burial cloth bearing an image, believed to be of Jesus, was found above a gate in the city’s walls. We know from various sources that the cloth was a burial shroud with a faint full-body image of Jesus and bloodstains positioned on the image. The image was variously described as a reflection, produced by sweat and divinely wrought. There is even some indication that the image was thought to be negative.

On August 15, 944 AD, the Image of Edessa was forcibly transferred from Edessa to the Byzantine capital city of Constantinople. It clearly was a burial cloth with a full image and bloodstains. The following records are particularly useful in developing an accurate picture of the cloth:

a sermon by Gregory, archdeacon and referendarius of Hagia Sophia Cathedral given August 16, 944

a Greek ceremonial text written in 960

a text by Nicholas Mesarites, the overseer of the imperial relic treasury in Constantinople in 1201

a letter by the crusader knight Robert de Clari in 1203"…

Full commentary here: shroudofturin4journalists.com/history.htm

 

[SwizzleStick]

"The Forensic Pathology of the Images on the Man on the Shroud of Turin

We see in the images of a man on the Shroud of Turin a pictorial testament to the passion story from the Gospels. We see indications of scourging and beating. We see the unmistakable wounds of crucifixion. Pathologists who have studied the image say that this is a man in rigor mortis: He is dead.

The man of the shroud was savagely flogged. Whatever was used, it is consistent with a Roman flagrum, a whip of short leather thongs tipped with bits of lead, bronze or bone which tore into flesh and muscle. There are dozens upon dozens of dumbbell shaped welts and contusions, the type of wound that the flagellum would have caused. There is blood from the flagellation within the imaged wounds. From the angles of attack – the way the marks fall on the man’s back, buttocks, and legs – it seems that man was whipped by two men, one taller than the other, who stood on either side of him.

At some time the man may have been forced to wear a crown of thorns. That seems to be a logical explanation for the numerous small puncture wounds about the top of his head. But from the wounds and many drops of blood, the crown seems to have been a rough bunch of thorns and not the wreath shaped crown of thorns so common in artistic depictions. :…

Full commentary here: shroudofturin4journalists.com/pathology.htm

 

[Ceil-1]

I have heard tell that the legend of Veronica and the miraculous image on the cloth may have begun through the shroud. I heard the shroud was folded up in such a way as to only show the face. Miraculous healings were attributed to it as it made the rounds. I’m not sure of the other details, but, it would make sense.

 

[SwizzleStick]

I have heard tell that the legend of Veronica and the miraculous image on the cloth may have begun through the shroud. I heard the shroud was folded up in such a way as to only show the face. Miraculous healings were attributed to it as it made the rounds. I’m not sure of the other details, but, it would make sense.

Info on Veronica’s Veil and the Holy Face relics below. (The images shown at the links below are different, so I’m not sure which one is the actual relic and which one might be something else.)

visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping57.htm

gditaly.com/italy/abruzzo/pescara/volto_santo.php

paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa060799.htm

 

[SwizzleStick]

Info on Veronica’s Veil and the Holy Face relics below. (The images shown at the links below are different, so I’m not sure which one is the actual relic and which one might be something else.)

visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping57.htm

gditaly.com/italy/abruzzo/pescara/volto_santo.php

paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa060799.htm

I just found info on Wikipedia. Though I don’t find Wiki to be a reliable source of info since anyone can edit it, in this case, one can view more than one image of Veronica’s Veil at this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_Veronica . Multiple images obviously exist (at least six according to the site). Perhaps one is miraculous, perhaps not.

Is the Mandylion something else entirely or might it be one of the Veronica’s Veil relics?

 

[rpp]

Another recent news article showing that the Knights Templar appears to have preserved the Shroud.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512703,00.html

 

[Biggie]

Anyone catch O’Reilly a couple nights ago. He had a segment on the shroud with a guest priest. The cause of the segment was the discovery in Vatican archives of documentation that the shroud was in the possession of the Knights Templar during the unaccounted for period or its history when it left Constantinople in the 13th Century and later arrived in Europe.The priest says he believes in the authenticity of the shroud but his faith does not depend on it.

See here for the Times of London story on which the interview was based.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6040521.ece

 

[Jennifer_G]

Quantum Hologram… interesting… I remember another article awhile ago where some physicist came up with the theory that the universe behaves like a hologram (from the Big Bang), which from what I gather from the article, the event horizon seemed to have done.

Quantum holograms, event horizons, space-time contiuums… (And scientists want to try and create a black hole?) Strange things seem to happen when quantum physics are involved.

 

[rpp]

Quantum Hologram… interesting… I remember another article awhile ago where some physicist came up with the theory that the universe behaves like a hologram (from the Big Bang), which from what I gather from the article, the event horizon seemed to have done.

Quantum holograms, event horizons, space-time contiuums… (And scientists want to try and create a black hole?) Strange things seem to happen when quantum physics are involved.

If you have not studied particle physics, you have no idea how funny this sentence is. (Randomness is an important component of quantum physics and “strangeness” is a property of certain particles.)

 

[Jennifer_G]

If you have not studied particle physics, you have no idea how funny this sentence is. (Randomness is an important component of quantum physics and “strangeness” is a property of certain particles.)

Yeah, I’ve heard a little bit about Quantum Physics on the Discovery Channel. Predictibly unpredictable.

 

[Tenebrae]

The cloth which Jesus had about his head was not a burial cloth. Jewish law required that if a man died a disfiguring death, his face should be covered. This cloth was wrapped about Jesus’ head while he was still on the cross. It was not on His head in the tomb. There is an ancient, bloodstained cloth kept in Oviedo, Spain which is known as the Sudarium. It is believed to be this cloth. The positions of the stains correspond with the face of the man of the shroud.

Also, if there are any traces of paint on the shroud, it is due to the practice of artists who, when making copies of the shroud, would touch their paintings to it to bless them, as it were.