A question about exorcism

[Solonei]

In first place, sorry for my bad english. Isn’t my native language.I’m from Brazil, and depict be a catholic country, I didn’t found a board about catholicism (only in social networks, but I’m ashamed to use my real name)

Well,about my problem.

I was baptized in a protestant (methodist) church, but never went again. I started to read a catholic site, and i became interessed about catholicism, but i didn’t went to church.

Despict the fact that i not was a religious person, I had TOC with religious aspects (when I started to perceive the TOC, wasn’t religious, but became)

At the end of last year, I thinked because the TOC, started in me a desire to blasphem, and this desire is bigger when a see a religious image, mainly of God.

Since I remember, i was feels nervous when I saw catholics images. But never had desire to blasfesm.

I think that something that contribuited with that was the fact that I read that some blasphemies are unpardonable. Well, a thought, it’s time to search a priest.

I went to a church, and talked with one. I only questioned about how could I became a catholic. He awsred to me that, if i was baptized, only start to go to mass, and, when a feelling that I am catholic, I would be a catholic. I asked to him about umperdonable sins, and if one could commit it unintentionally. He aswered that no, no mortal sin can be commited unintentionally.

Well, for a while, i feeled better, but the desire didn’t stoped. I decided to go again to the church, search this priest, and tell all the history., But one time he was in a metting, one he wans’t, and a decidied to talk with another priest (I’m very very shy). I ask to him about exorcism, he asked me why, and I telll my history. He told me that i needed to start psychanalisis, because tha catholic church wasn’t a “little church” like some protestants churchs. I he told me that God is like a father, and sometimes one have desire to insult his father, and that i could blasfem, because God would forgive me.

Well, a really didin’t like that.

I was very shy to talk with another priest, and a decidied to send a email for the dioecesis and nothing. I send to a father that the old mass (i thought that he maybe believe in possessions) and nothing to.

I deciedied to search a “little church” to perform a exorcism. I send a email to my professor, that is minister in a presbyterian pentecostal church and… nothing. And I was very shy to talk with him. I went to that church, but i was shy to tell to the minister about my problem. ANd a really didn’t liked the fact that they called the catholicism a religion of “idolatry”.

Well, I need help. That’s can be a case of possessio? What I do? It’s very hard, It’s very dificultie to read and study, because all the time I have desisre to say bleasfemies, and I try to control.

About aspects preternatural, nothing. I can’t speak languages that I didn’t know, I don’t have a anormal strenght… But one fact is very curious… Dogs barks for me wothoout motive, and I observed that some dogs in the street only barks for me, for the persons that have gone before and after no. It really bothers me, and I, that like to walk, have avoided.

ps: i went to the psychiatric, I take two drugs and make psycological treatment… But nothing

 

[Solonei]

Maybe I’am crazy, and want a “simple” solution… Or maybe not. I really don’t know.

 

[BluesPicker]

What does TOC mean? Please?

 

[InspiritCarol]

Dear one.

You need to complete the RCIA process and get *confirmed *as Catholic.

Once you are confirmed you must go to confession and confess all things in as much detail as you confessor will allow- even thoughts- if you feel oppressed by them.

Write everything down to help you remember (and make sure to shread or burn it afterwards). (I like to burn my notes but it’s not necessary).

The blessed sacrament of confession will close all the doors that are being used to oppress you. Pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit, and He will help you find those doors.

Baptism as a Methodist is a valid baptism in the Catholic Church, but you should be confirmed as an adult to be in full communion.

 

[po18guy]

As to possession: It is very rare for a person to be possessed. If you were possessed, you would not be in control of yourself,and you would hate God and all Christian things.

You may be suffering from a spiritual attack. There are prayers that you can pray that will help you. They are called “spiritual warfare prayers”. A priest should know about them.

I am praying for you.

 

[GemmaMichelle]

Greetings in Jesus & Mary. I read your post and was concerned for you. Whether we are starting down the road of ongoing conversion or quite close with the Lord, or anywhere in between, we can suffer spiritual attacks or oppression. If you read the lives of some of the Holiest Saints, it was something many of them were familiar with. Read the life of St Catherine of Sienna or of St. Mary Magdalene De Pazzi among others. If you have not completed the Catholic Sacraments of Initiation do so. I believe your Baptism is valid, so now- Confession, Holy Communion & Confirmation. Then also, call upon the Holy Name of Jesus, Our Lady’s Help & also St.Michael the Archangel who cast satan down to hell. Ask your Guardian Angel to protect & guide you. Prayers are with you.

 

[Hecares]

I just want to add a few things. RCIA is the American way to learn about the Catholic faith. You must have something like that in Brazil. You must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation (penance) before you are confirmed. You must be in a state of grace to receive the other sacraments. I suggest that, if posssible, you see a doctor to make sure you are in good physical healthe. There are some illnesses that can cause problems like you describe. I am puzzled by the responses you told us about from your priest. Nobody can become Catholic just by “feeling Catholic”.

 

[Samson01]

Alot of folks struggle with intrusive thoughts of a religous nature, but that doesn’t mean it is a case of possesion or exclude it. There has to be other factors to consider. As for intrusive thoughts, I have found that stress makes them worse and breathing, relaxing helps stem them from time to time. Uproot any deep resentment of things that may lay hidden from the conscience mind, like past trauma, grief, loss…I can only go by my own experience’s so don’t take offense. Healing in the confessional is mind, body and spirit related. This is what you seek it seems. Samson

 

[BluesPicker]

Dear Solenei,

      The Universal Church opens it's coffers of sacramental graces of the rite of exorcism to persons of all creeds.  There is no prohibition on this because the boy in the famous St. Louis exorcism case was not a Catholic.  Also  Acts 16:16-21 the girl who was possessed by  the Python spirit, a spirit of divination called Pythonia associated with the oracles of Appollo at Delphi,  was a pagan. 

        However,  I really need to know what is this reference to  TOC.

     Also,  you have not blasphemed the Holy Spirit.  You would have to reject God's Infinite Mercy.

     Exorcism may be solemn or simple; public or private.  The exorcism is solemn if it is performed to expel the demon himself; simple if it is performed to curb the influence of the demon.  

     Simple exorcisms can be said by the priest without permission of his Bishop.

God Bless You,
BP

 

[Elisabetta21]

Hi,

I am sorry to hear about your troubles. I understand how terrible it can be to suffer something no one else seems to be able to understand or help you with.

I am not an expert (I can hardly figure out my own situation), but one thing I would suggest is to look at who you have associated with and what you have done in the past.

In my situation, my “ex-boyfriend” became a satanist and hated me for pulling away from him. I was returning to being Catholic as he was becoming involved in satanism, and this resulted in natural clashes because he hates our creator and Christianity and all religions that believe in a good creator. I also would not sleep with him, etc. which enraged him.

He had friends who were heavily into that who lead him in that direction, and before I understood what they were all about I spent time with them. I was young and did not know and they have really complicated philosophies. I was never involved in it or wanted to be, but I am pretty sure they put some things on me because they also did not like me leaning towards Christianity.

I also experimented on ouija boards, tried black mirrors, tarot cards, and toyed around with visiting psychics, etc.

I had paranormal events happen around both the people involved in the bad things, and messing with the bad things I did on my own.

So generally, if you have tried anything occult in your life, or knew someone occult in your life, then your chances of being demonically harassed would spike I would think.

I will pray for you. I know how confusing things like that can be. God bless!

 

[Solonei]

What does TOC mean? Please?

sorry… I used a portuguese abbreviation. Mean Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD)

Dear one.

You need to complete the RCIA process and get *confirmed *as Catholic.

Once you are confirmed you must go to confession and confess all things in as much detail as you confessor will allow- even thoughts- if you feel oppressed by them.

Write everything down to help you remember (and make sure to shread or burn it afterwards). (I like to burn my notes but it’s not necessary).

The blessed sacrament of confession will close all the doors that are being used to oppress you. Pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit, and He will help you find those doors.

Baptism as a Methodist is a valid baptism in the Catholic Church, but you should be confirmed as an adult to be in full communion.

I didn’t know about his. Thanks. I asked to the priest, and he didin’t said me that…

As to possession: It is very rare for a person to be possessed. If you were possessed, you would not be in control of yourself,and you would hate God and all Christian things.

You may be suffering from a spiritual attack. There are prayers that you can pray that will help you. They are called “spiritual warfare prayers”. A priest should know about them.

I am praying for you.

Thanks for the pray

I think that I will search another priest… That believe in demons…

Greetings in Jesus & Mary. I read your post and was concerned for you. Whether we are starting down the road of ongoing conversion or quite close with the Lord, or anywhere in between, we can suffer spiritual attacks or oppression. If you read the lives of some of the Holiest Saints, it was something many of them were familiar with. Read the life of St Catherine of Sienna or of St. Mary Magdalene De Pazzi among others. If you have not completed the Catholic Sacraments of Initiation do so. I believe your Baptism is valid, so now- Confession, Holy Communion & Confirmation. Then also, call upon the Holy Name of Jesus, Our Lady’s Help & also St.Michael the Archangel who cast satan down to hell. Ask your Guardian Angel to protect & guide you. Prayers are with you.

I will read. Thanks.

I just want to add a few things. RCIA is the American way to learn about the Catholic faith. You must have something like that in Brazil. You must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation (penance) before you are confirmed. You must be in a state of grace to receive the other sacraments. I suggest that, if posssible, you see a doctor to make sure you are in good physical healthe. There are some illnesses that can cause problems like you describe. I am puzzled by the responses you told us about from your priest. Nobody can become Catholic just by “feeling Catholic”.

I’ve seen a doctor, and he prescribed two drugs, and I’m going to a psychologist too.
I researched and saw that there is a “A Iniciação Cristã do Adulto em Forma de Catecumenato” in Brazil.

It’s a complain in Brazil that the clergy isn’t prepared… A lot of marxists too. THe priest seens to be a good person, maybe he didn’t know because in Brazil very few persons want to be converted to catholicism. Much more is the other way (catholic to protestant)

Alot of folks struggle with intrusive thoughts of a religous nature, but that doesn’t mean it is a case of possesion or exclude it. There has to be other factors to consider. As for intrusive thoughts, I have found that stress makes them worse and breathing, relaxing helps stem them from time to time. Uproot any deep resentment of things that may lay hidden from the conscience mind, like past trauma, grief, loss…I can only go by my own experience’s so don’t take offense. Healing in the confessional is mind, body and spirit related. This is what you seek it seems. Samson

Yes, maybe… I am very eager for example

Hi,

I am sorry to hear about your troubles. I understand how terrible it can be to suffer something no one else seems to be able to understand or help you with.

I am not an expert (I can hardly figure out my own situation), but one thing I would suggest is to look at who you have associated with and what you have done in the past.

In my situation, my “ex-boyfriend” became a satanist and hated me for pulling away from him. I was returning to being Catholic as he was becoming involved in satanism, and this resulted in natural clashes because he hates our creator and Christianity and all religions that believe in a good creator. I also would not sleep with him, etc. which enraged him.

He had friends who were heavily into that who lead him in that direction, and before I understood what they were all about I spent time with them. I was young and did not know and they have really complicated philosophies. I was never involved in it or wanted to be, but I am pretty sure they put some things on me because they also did not like me leaning towards Christianity.

I also experimented on ouija boards, tried black mirrors, tarot cards, and toyed around with visiting psychics, etc.

I had paranormal events happen around both the people involved in the bad things, and messing with the bad things I did on my own.

So generally, if you have tried anything occult in your life, or knew someone occult in your life, then your chances of being demonically harassed would spike I would think.

I will pray for you. I know how confusing things like that can be. God bless!

Well, in the past, I done, as jokes, "deals with the devi"l… But as a joke, and only things that would not happening…
I’ve heard some black metals bands, but not because the lyrics…
And I have some people in the family that deal with “macumba” (is like a brazilian voodoo)

 

[BluesPicker]

Solenei,

I believe that you have a fear of God and the OCD gives you a distorted outlook on things. The mere desire to want to blaspheme God is not the same as actually doing it.

RICA is the program that adults take to become a Catholic.  If you are interested in becoming a Catholic this would be good for you in many ways.

I breathed a sigh of relief as you answered everyone’s questions.

The joking about a pact with the devil, maybe you should not say these jokes.

 You should increase your prayer life.

BP

 

[Elisabetta21]

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Well, in the past, I done, as jokes, "deals with the devi"l… But as a joke, and only things that would not happening…
I’ve heard some black metals bands, but not because the lyrics…
And I have some people in the family that deal with “macumba” (is like a brazilian voodoo)

I agree with the other poster and do not make those deals, even as a joke.

When you say black metal, do you mean the lyrics are bad? If so, avoid all that even if you are not listening to the lyrics. Its just bad energy. Evil likes to be where there is evil music, evil images, etc. So if you decorate your house with evil looking skulls, or lots of black, maybe change to a different theme. Angels like to be in places with a lot of good imagery, like statues and images of good angels and saints, etc.

Can you politely avoid the vodoo family members as much as you can? Unless they are really close to you. In that case, just be careful.

Maybe learn some binding and protection prayers just to keep you safe, use sacramentals like holy water, and keep a strong prayer life.

 

[Solonei]

Solenei,

I believe that you have a fear of God and the OCD gives you a distorted outlook on things. The mere desire to want to blaspheme God is not the same as actually doing it.

RICA is the program that adults take to become a Catholic.  If you are interested in becoming a Catholic this would be good for you in many ways.

I breathed a sigh of relief as you answered everyone’s questions.

The joking about a pact with the devil, maybe you should not say these jokes.

 You should increase your prayer life.

BP

I agree. Thanks

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I agree with the other poster and do not make those deals, even as a joke.

When you say black metal, do you mean the lyrics are bad? If so, avoid all that even if you are not listening to the lyrics. Its just bad energy. Evil likes to be where there is evil music, evil images, etc. So if you decorate your house with evil looking skulls, or lots of black, maybe change to a different theme. Angels like to be in places with a lot of good imagery, like statues and images of good angels and saints, etc.

Can you politely avoid the vodoo family members as much as you can? Unless they are really close to you. In that case, just be careful.

Maybe learn some binding and protection prayers just to keep you safe, use sacramentals like holy water, and keep a strong prayer life.

Black metal is a genre of extreme metal, the lyrics sometimes do with ocult things… But i do not listen anymore…
And im my house there no skulls, or lots of black. There some images of saints and angels, but I don’t feel well with it…

And no, I’m can’t avoid

 

[InspiritCarol]

I prayed about this last night and it occurred to me that maybe you are experiencing what all of us go through on a daily basis.

We have bad thoughts and ideas pop into our head out of nowhere.

There are several good threads on how various people deal with these things.

I like the way Paul talks about these types of problems in Romans.

If they were thoughts like yours I would tell them to go away in Jesus’ name.

 

[Silent_Bob]

So sorry to hear about your struggles and attacks from the enemy as well as your difficulty in finding help. I remember the struggles that my wife and I had 20+ years ago when she was going through a tremendous demonic attack and eventually turned to occult practices to try to find relief when she found that I was not very helpful and neither were any of the local churches. We were pastoring a Protestant Church at the time. We were referred to a Mennonite brother (now deceased) by two medical doctors who were taking a course in Spiritual Warfare with me in preparation for a time of service in Africa. Fortunately my wife received great help from the Mennonite brother and we subsequently began to become involved in deliverance ministry to others in Protestant churches. I later attended conferences in the Catholic Church and have gotten to know local exorcists (priests) and lay people who are trained in deliverance ministry. There are still far too few priests that have been trained as exorcists but the number is growing as many are going through training. Most exorcists work in conjunction with psychiatrists or psychologists who are trained in spiritual warfare as well as in secular therapies. Most people that are in need of deliverance also have psychological factors involved and treatment may require both prayer for deliverance and therapy to deal with other long-standing problems. There is help out there but finding such can be difficult (as my wife and I know only too well).

 

[po18guy]

So sorry to hear about your struggles and attacks from the enemy as well as your difficulty in finding help. I remember the struggles that my wife and I had 20+ years ago when she was going through a tremendous demonic attack and eventually turned to occult practices to try to find relief when she found that I was not very helpful and neither were any of the local churches. We were pastoring a Protestant Church at the time. We were referred to a Mennonite brother (now deceased) by two medical doctors who were taking a course in Spiritual Warfare with me in preparation for a time of service in Africa. Fortunately my wife received great help from the Mennonite brother and we subsequently began to become involved in deliverance ministry to others in Protestant churches. I later attended conferences in the Catholic Church and have gotten to know local exorcists (priests) and lay people who are trained in deliverance ministry. There are still far too few priests that have been trained as exorcists but the number is growing as many are going through training. Most exorcists work in conjunction with psychiatrists or psychologists who are trained in spiritual warfare as well as in secular therapies. Most people that are in need of deliverance also have psychological factors involved and treatment may require both prayer for deliverance and therapy to deal with other long-standing problems. There is help out there but finding such can be difficult (as my wife and I know only too well).

Welcome to the forums! And, thank you for this testimony. It is a common error of our modern age to dismiss the presence of the spirits which surround us. We are in their sphere and can easily fall prey to them. But, we have the absolute assurance that our Lord is far more powerful and is waiting to deliver us. The Holy Spirit is sometimes referred to as the forgotten member of the Trinity. How much more so in the case of those who seek our destruction. But, just as the problem is spirit-driven, so is the solution. Amen.

 

[Solonei]

So sorry to hear about your struggles and attacks from the enemy as well as your difficulty in finding help. I remember the struggles that my wife and I had 20+ years ago when she was going through a tremendous demonic attack and eventually turned to occult practices to try to find relief when she found that I was not very helpful and neither were any of the local churches. We were pastoring a Protestant Church at the time. We were referred to a Mennonite brother (now deceased) by two medical doctors who were taking a course in Spiritual Warfare with me in preparation for a time of service in Africa. Fortunately my wife received great help from the Mennonite brother and we subsequently began to become involved in deliverance ministry to others in Protestant churches. I later attended conferences in the Catholic Church and have gotten to know local exorcists (priests) and lay people who are trained in deliverance ministry. There are still far too few priests that have been trained as exorcists but the number is growing as many are going through training. Most exorcists work in conjunction with psychiatrists or psychologists who are trained in spiritual warfare as well as in secular therapies. Most people that are in need of deliverance also have psychological factors involved and treatment may require both prayer for deliverance and therapy to deal with other long-standing problems. There is help out there but finding such can be difficult (as my wife and I know only too well).

Yes, is very difficult. I think that most priests today in my country do not believe in such things…

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Thanks for the help people… I think that I will pray more, and I’ll look for another priest…

But more one question… About the dogs barking for me… Even dogs that do not barks for another people… Can be a Symptom?

 

[Vladd]

Dear Solenei,

      The Universal Church opens it's coffers of sacramental graces of the rite of exorcism to persons of all creeds.  There is no prohibition on this because the boy in the famous St. Louis exorcism case was not a Catholic.  Also  Acts 16:16-21 the girl who was possessed by  the Python spirit, a spirit of divination called Pythonia associated with the oracles of Appollo at Delphi,  was a pagan. 

        However,  I really need to know what is this reference to  TOC.

     Also,  you have not blasphemed the Holy Spirit.  You would have to reject God's Infinite Mercy.

     Exorcism may be solemn or simple; public or private.  The exorcism is solemn if it is performed to expel the demon himself; simple if it is performed to curb the influence of the demon.  

     Simple exorcisms can be said by the priest without permission of his Bishop.

God Bless You,
BP

Blaspheme the holy spirit ? Would rejecting other faith including Christianity and the Christian god to join a pagan faith be considered that?

 

[InspiritCarol]

Blaspheme the holy spirit ? Would rejecting other faith including Christianity and the Christian god to join a pagan faith be considered that?

No. Not intrinsically.