i was laughing at the use of “darn”, rather than a stronger expletive.
sometimes i do tell jokes. If we can’t laugh, what’s the point?
Hi!
…I may have left out the “n” (damned)… But Ii actually do find it amusing and sometimes, unexpectedly, laugh out loud… I cannot fathom how they could have come to such conclusions, in spite of the fact that they are placing god as the cause of evil… and they seem to not comprehend how far they are stretching their theology… in the wrong direction! :banghead::banghead::banghead:
That’s why i have listened to them, written down all the verses they use, and discovered scripture that refutes them.
Here is an example of how far some people will go to continue a doctrine:
2pet3:9 "god is patient, not decreeing to perish only those he’s ordained not to perish
(of course he
does decree most to perish!), but patiently waits for repentance
from all to whom he has decreed repentance and determined the time of their repentance (nevermind, he’s not waiting for anything)!
there are those who really contend god only decrees not-perish,
those he has decreed not to perish, and waits even though he’s not really waiting! Is it just me, or is that silly?
It’s mostly because of the assault “sovereign predestined salvation” does on god’s character. No matter how one tries to dodge the issue, god would be responsible for man’s sins!
…wow, I thought only Jehovah Witnesses filtered the Word of God through the Chinese acrobatic academy!
…again; this continues to demonstrate how wrong it is to attempt to understand Scriptures through a selective process.
Have you ever heard their verses separated into “primaries” and “secondaries” before? Some have said acts13:48 should be raised to a primary; but it’s easily refuted both by verse 46, and by the greek. The primaries seem to assert predestined-salvation more directly, and are less obviously refuted.
The deepest desire of my heart is to be a willing and successful vessel for him to reach as many as possible through me. “lord, change me, as you will!”
they apply the “catch-22” — “if a person is unsaved now, then he was never truly saved in the first place.”
this causes wild interpretations (as i just cited above), stamping clear verses with “not really”, and rewriting scripture (like in jn10:26 & 28 they add “not-even-yourselves” to “no one can snatch you from his hand”.
They redefine words; take heb6:4-6 — “photizo-enlightened” becomes superficial (not really), “geuomai-taste” becomes only sample but not really partake (in spite of heb2:9 "jesus
tasted death" — i have good information that he really died!). And “metochos-partners” in the holy spirit is somehow unsaved, when “metochos” is fully saved in 3:1, 3:14, and 12:8!
“all” becomes only “some-of-all-types” in 1tim2:1-4 (in spite of “all” including kings and all authority), also in rom5:17-19
that’s exactly the issue! In that, “living-in-sin” is possible! In 1cor10:1-13, “don’t crave evil, don’t be immoral, don’t be covetous” – any of those things read as
“not really possible” for the saved? The consequence, “therefore let he who thinks he stand take heed lest he fall”!
Fall — as in, “not really”? Oh yes, really!
I’ve come across it… though not worded in such terms (their religious affiliations were not revealed–though on did right on this forum; can’t recall the denomination)… basically they dissect Scriptures as though they are taking apart a mystery novel… they go to the end of it and construct an interpretation, from their cut-n-paste format, of the outcome as they see fit (not necessarily the author’s intent); then, from their determination, they proclaim and “teach” the “truth” of the story.
Exactly. There are many places where men are judged according to their deeds (rom2:6-8, rev20:13, etc.) — but good deeds never save anyone, and evil deeds never condemn anyone; our deeds, expose where our heart was. A heart that did good deeds knew jesus
, and a heart that did evil did not. That’s the connection with these verses — as john says in 1:5:10 (echoed in places like jn3:18-20), some are condemned because they have not believed the testimony. Their unbelief exposed because of their evil deeds!
Seems so simple – what can we do to stop many from missing it???
Exactly that. And – the king clothes us with his righteousness. Matt22:2-14, isaiah61:10, etcetera.
It is this relationship that they completely miss… all through Scriptures we find God allowing man to choose:
I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
(Deuteronomy 30:19b)
…how dim must the lightbulb be for anyone to think that God does not decree Salvation (Life) for all?
His Concern is that we: “Chose Life!”
God offers man a choice… if man is not able to make a choice (Divine election for some to Salvation and Divine election for all others to damnation), God’s Word is not only disingenuous but totally impotent… is that what God has decreed about His Word?:
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(Isaiah 55:11)
It all comes down to “draw near to god that he draws near to you”!
Exactly!
Man retains the choice to seek and abide in God or forfeit Salvation–every single man; all of humanity!
Maran atha!
Angel
