A question after reading "The Secret of the Rosary

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He often talks about the need to say the whole rosary every day.

Of course, in his time that would be the 15 mysteries of the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious sets.

however, we now have the Luminous set as well.

St. Louis de Montfort gives several ways of praying the rosary, with things for each of the original 15 mysteries.

Nothing of this exists for the Luminous

My question is, in light of the addition of the Luminous, is the 15 mystery rosary still a full rosary if I say that every day, or do I need to add the Luminous for it to be “complete”
 
He often talks about the need to say the whole rosary every day.

Of course, in his time that would be the 15 mysteries of the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious sets.

however, we now have the Luminous set as well.

St. Louis de Montfort gives several ways of praying the rosary, with things for each of the original 15 mysteries.

Nothing of this exists for the Luminous

My question is, in light of the addition of the Luminous, is the 15 mystery rosary still a full rosary if I say that every day, or do I need to add the Luminous for it to be “complete”
You’ll get diferent answers, but mine is that the 15 decade Rosary is a complete traditional Rosary.

BTW, good book 🙂 I’ve read most of it. Next I’ll read True Devotion to Mary, as well as The Glories of Mary.

You can find them here at very reasonable prices

olrl.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=O&Category_Code=gOL
 
You’ll get diferent answers, but mine is that the 15 decade Rosary is a complete traditional Rosary.

BTW, good book 🙂 I’ve read most of it. Next I’ll read True Devotion to Mary, as well as The Glories of Mary.

You can find them here at very reasonable prices

olrl.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=O&Category_Code=gOL
I found them on the internet for free, although ill almost certainly end up buying Secret, as i cant carry my computer around with me all the time.

As for True Devotion, I scanned through some of it, and at this point in my life wasnt doing anything for me. My Marian devotion is lacking to say the least.
 
First of all as to ‘True Devotion to Mary’–give it a try. You may have to put it up and return to it later. I know of others who have done so. Even Dr. Scott Hahn did so. And later on when one reads it, it all just might make perfect sense.

I promised Our Lady on the day I left for my first Marian pilgrimage on March 10, 1998 that I would pray a complete rosary daily. I have kept my promise. I admit it took a little while to add in the Luminous Mysteries but I have done so. Our Lady will find the time for us. I pray my final mystery of the day when I walk my dog in the evening. I begin my first mystery on the way to morning Mass and then spend some extra time at the church to finish the first three mysteries. I like to make the stations as I pray the Sorrowful mysteries.

When days are a complete rush, I pray the rosary in the car going to and from work or whatever. It is about an hour a day and some such as busy moms may simply never find that spare hour but my children are older and I can find the time.

So for me a complete rosary is all four Mysteries a day.
 
There was a recommended cycle of mysteries (one chaplet of 5 decades) for different days of the week. I try to use those as the mystery to begin with on that given day…and on a good day I succeed in praying several more mysteries (not a whole lot of good days lately…my Marian devotion is also inconsistent and lacking :o )

Monday Joyful
Tuesday Sorrowful
Wednesday Glorious
Thursday Joyful
Friday Sorrowful
Saturday Glorious
Sunday Glorious

Chronologically , the Luminous mysteries (if one is going to pray them) directly follow the joyful mysteries. Pope John Paul II had requested the Luminous mysteries be prayed Thursdays and the Joyful on Saturdays.

In the past, I was a lot more successful in getting 3 sets of mysteries and the breviary prayed each day (presently I seem to be living up to my user name more).

All three of those books - The Secret of the Rosary, True Devotion to Mary, and The Glories of Mary, are excellent.

If you have a Marian Devotion routine that’s working for you right now SenorSalsa, it might be better to build off it rather than try and change it.

Thanks for this thread… it gave me a little look in the Marian Devotion mirror.🙂
 
If you have a Marian Devotion routine that’s working for you right now SenorSalsa, it might be better to build off it rather than try and change it.
Well, right now my Marian Devotion is pretty much zero. There’s a brown scapular round my neck, but I haven’t been enrolled yet because Im trying to make sure I can wear it in the right mindset, and that I can keep up with a daily prayer with it.

I’ll be the first to say that while I know why Mary is held in such high esteem, I do not have a great love or devotion to her. Not because I don’t think she deserves it, as much as I have always struggled with the Rosary, and because I am not a big formulaic prayer type person.

Thats why I read through Secret of the Rosary, to try and learn more. However, the more I read, the more I felt drawn to the 15 mystery rosary he is writing on. But at the same time I don’t want to short Mary and Jesus of their praises.
 
ok, so I just read the document JPII wrote when he outlined the Luminous Mysteries, and he clearly states it should be left up to the individual to decide if to add them or not.

So, I think as it is the 15 mystery one that has seemed to call my attention, I will stick with that one for daily recitation.

a second question is, would it be okay to take one of my many rosaries–an unblessed one–and cut it as to make a single decade chain that would be easy for me to thumb in my pocket? From most things I’ve seen, since its unblessed this should be fine, but I just want to see opinions.

I ask becuase what I think I will start out doing, instead of sitting for a 2 hour span to say the whole Rosary, is to say a decade or so every hour, throughout the day, such that I finish the whole thing by the time I fall asleep. But since I work and do other things(in a mostly protestant area) I dont think it would be beneficial to the meditative state to pull out a set of beads every time I have a few moments to properly pray.
 
So, I think as it is the 15 mystery one that has seemed to call my attention, I will stick with that one for daily recitation.
You will jump leaps and bounds with this game plan!

Remember that St. Louis says there are three types of people as far as this devotion goes:
  1. Those who say it everyday, all 15(in his time)
  2. Those who say the whole thing every week
  3. Those who say the whole thing every month.
 
ok, so I just read the document JPII wrote when he outlined the Luminous Mysteries, and he clearly states it should be left up to the individual to decide if to add them or not.

So, I think as it is the 15 mystery one that has seemed to call my attention, I will stick with that one for daily recitation.
A note that in newer editions of Monteforts book… it makes mention of ways to include the Luminous Mysteries in his meditations as well as if one cant complete the “whole” rosary than a single setting of 5 mysteries can suffice…[bravo to those who can do the 15 or even 20]…awesome
a second question is, would it be okay to take one of my many rosaries–an unblessed one–and cut it as to make a single decade chain that would be easy for me to thumb in my pocket? From most things I’ve seen, since its unblessed this should be fine, but I just want to see opinions.
[yes it would be ok… but perhaps you would prefer to purchase a single decade rosary??? They are relatively inexpensive…unless one purchased a conemarra marble one… just an option that is available if you dont wish to dismantle a regu\alar one]
I ask becuase what I think I will start out doing, instead of sitting for a 2 hour span to say the whole Rosary, is to say a decade or so every hour, throughout the day, such that I finish the whole thing by the time I fall asleep. But since I work and do other things(in a mostly protestant area) I dont think it would be beneficial to the meditative state to pull out a set of beads every time I have a few moments to properly pray.
Blessings of Peace
 
Reading this thread I feel compelled to make a comment or two. First of all, concerning True Devotion to Mary and Marian devotions in general, I would mention that St. Louis de Montfort is overall amazingly christocentric. True Devotion is a glorious book greatly because of how unmarian it is in the end. It really is a different kind of text than Glories of Mary or others of that type, or at least it was in my view, in that its tone never takes it over so much. It is a wonderful discussion of, and introduction to, just what it says, True Devotion to Mary. One of the finest books I have ever been blessed to read.

However, an even finer book, if that is possible, by St. Louis de Montfort is Love of Eternal Wisdom. His discussion of Luke 11 and the importunity of prayer is worth it alone. I have never had the same ideas about prayer or what God expects of us in prayer since reading his interpretation. That and True Devotion are two of my favorite books of all time.
 
Well, right now my Marian Devotion is pretty much zero. There’s a brown scapular round my neck, but I haven’t been enrolled yet because Im trying to make sure I can wear it in the right mindset, and that I can keep up with a daily prayer with it.

I’ll be the first to say that while I know why Mary is held in such high esteem, I do not have a great love or devotion to her. Not because I don’t think she deserves it, as much as I have always struggled with the Rosary, and because I am not a big formulaic prayer type person.

Thats why I read through Secret of the Rosary, to try and learn more. However, the more I read, the more I felt drawn to the 15 mystery rosary he is writing on. But at the same time I don’t want to short Mary and Jesus of their praises.
Have you listened to Father Benedict Groeschel’s rosary? In it, he explains things in a way that so many other rosary recordings lack. It is beautiful and very contemplative. It might just kick-start your devotion. It is usually on EWTN radio at least once a day. But, wouldn’t a CD serve you better?

cdbaby.com/found?allsearch=rosary+place&submit=search

Christ’s peace.
 
ok, so I just read the document JPII wrote when he outlined the Luminous Mysteries, and he clearly states it should be left up to the individual to decide if to add them or not.

So, I think as it is the 15 mystery one that has seemed to call my attention, I will stick with that one for daily recitation.

a second question is, would it be okay to take one of my many rosaries–an unblessed one–and cut it as to make a single decade chain that would be easy for me to thumb in my pocket? From most things I’ve seen, since its unblessed this should be fine, but I just want to see opinions.

I ask becuase what I think I will start out doing, instead of sitting for a 2 hour span to say the whole Rosary, is to say a decade or so every hour, throughout the day, such that I finish the whole thing by the time I fall asleep. But since I work and do other things(in a mostly protestant area) I dont think it would be beneficial to the meditative state to pull out a set of beads every time I have a few moments to properly pray.
I think dividing up the Rosary throughout the day is a good idea. You know what you are capable of. St. Maximilian Kolbe is more than worth a read, as well. And now for some saintly, and papal inspiration…

“All gifts, virtues, and graces of the Holy Ghost are administered by the hands of Mary to whomsoever she desires, when she desires, in the maner she desires, and to whatever degree she desires. Mary is the dispensatrix of all the graces God bestows. Every grace granted to man in this life has three successive steps: from God it comes to Christ, and from Christ to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us.”
ST. BERNARDINE OF SIENNA

“Every grace which is communicated has a three-fold origin: it flows from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, and from the Virgin to us.”
POPE LEO XIII

“Mary has the greatest and clearest claims to our homage and praise: she is the salvation of the world; our dependence upon the august Mary is complete and universal. There is neither on earth nor in Heaven any justified soul, any one of the Elect, who does not owe Mary his justice and his glory.”
VEN. WILLIAM JOSEPH CHAMINADE

“Many have proved invincibly, from the sentiments of the Fathers -
among others: St. Augustine, St. Ephrem, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Germanus of Constantinople, St. John Damascene, St. Anselm, St. Bernard, St. Bernardine, St. Thomas, and St. Bonaventure - that devotion to Our Most Blessed Virgin is necessary for salvation, and that it is an infallible mark of reprobation to have no esteem or love for the Holy Virgin while,
on the other hand, it is an infallible mark of predestination to be entirely and truly devoted to her.”
ST. LOUIS MARIE DE MONTFORT

“Mary is the whole hope of our salvation.”
ST. THOMAS AQUINAS

“If our life were not under the protection of Mary, we might tremble for our perseverance and salvation. In her hands Jesus has placed His almighty power in the order of salvation. All the graces of salvation, both the natural and the spiritual, will be given to us by Mary.”
ST. PETER JULIAN EYMARD

“The Child is not found without Mary, His Mother. If, then it is impossible to separate what God has united, it is also certain that you cannot find Jesus except with Mary and through Mary.”
POPE ST. PIUS X

“If you persevere till death in true devotion to Mary, your salvation is certain.”
ST. LOUIS MARIE DE MONTFORT

“In the multitude of the Elect she shall have praise, and among the blessed she shall be blessed.”
ECCLESIASTICUS 24:4

“Christ entrusted to His Mother’s maternal care the mission of making the Church a single family. Yes, in Mary we have the bond of communion for all of us who, through Faith and Baptism, are disciples and brothers of Jesus.”
POPE JOHN PAUL II

“However great a sinner may have been, if he shows himself devout to Mary he will never perish.”
ST. HILARY OF POITIERS

“The servants of Mary are as certain of getting to Paradise as though they were already there. Who are they who are saved, and reign in Heaven? Surely, those for whom the Queen of Mercy intercedes. The clients of Mary will necessarily be saved.”
ST ALPHONSUS MARIA LIGUORI

“With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary”
ST IDELPHONSUS

“Every one of the multitudes, therefore, whom the evil of calamitous circumstances has stolen away from Catholic unity, must be born again to Christ by that same Mother whom God has endowed with a never-failing fertility to bring forth a holy people.”
POPE LEO XIII

“Bearing in her womb the Savior, Mary can also be said to have borne all those whose life the Savior’s life enshrined. All of us, then, as many as are knit to Christ, have come forth from Mary’s womb: one Body, as it were, knit together with its Head.”
POPE ST PIUS X

“Souls protected by Mary, and on whom she casts her eyes, are necessarily justified and saved. Just as it is impossible that they be saved from whom Mary turns away her eyes of mercy, so it is certain that they who are loved by Mary, and for whom she intercedes, will obtain justification and eternal life.”
ST ANTONINUS

“We believe that Mary opens the abyss of God’s mercy to whomsoever she wills, when she wills, and as she wills; so that there is no sinner, however great, who is lost if Mary protects him.”
ST BONAVENTURE

“Not a single soul who has really persevered in her service has ever been damned.”
ST LOUIS MARIE DE MONTFORT

“O Mother of God! If I place my confidence in thee, I shall be saved; if I am under thy protection, I have nothing to fear; for being thy client is a certainty of salvation which God grants only to those whom He intends to save.”
ST JOHN DAMASCENE

“He who neglects the service of the Blessed Virgin will die in his sins. He who does not invoke thee, O Lady, will never get to Heaven. Not only will those from whom Mary turns her countenance not be saved, but there will be no hope of their salvation. No one can be saved without the protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary.”
ST BONAVENTURE

“To desire grace without recourse to the Virgin Mother is to desire to fly without wings.”
POPE PIUS XII

“Jesus honored her before all ages, and will honor her for all ages. No one comes to Him, nor even near Him, no one is saved or sanctified, if he too will not honor her. This is the lot of angels and of men.”
ST MAXIMILIAN MARY KOLBE
 
He often talks about the need to say the whole rosary every day.

Of course, in his time that would be the 15 mysteries of the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious sets.

however, we now have the Luminous set as well.

St. Louis de Montfort gives several ways of praying the rosary, with things for each of the original 15 mysteries.

Nothing of this exists for the Luminous

My question is, in light of the addition of the Luminous, is the 15 mystery rosary still a full rosary if I say that every day, or do I need to add the Luminous for it to be “complete”
First, it is not required to say the Rosary at all although I think everyone should as its a powerful prayer.
Second the “complete” Rosary includes the Luminous Mysteries.
 
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When days are a complete rush, I pray the rosary in the car going to and from work or whatever. It is about an hour a day and some such as busy moms may simply never find that spare hour but my children are older and I can find the time…
Several times posters on here have mentioned that they say the rosary when they are driving, and it puzzles and shocks me. Surely if someone is saying the rosary they can’t be giving their full attention to their driving (or vice versa, not doing the rosary justice, of course.)?
I suppose it might work in the big spaces of America, but in Europe not having all one’s attention on the road and hazards like pedestrians stepping out in the front of the car would be the quick way to disaster. Surely a sin against one’s neighbour?
 
But since I work and do other things(in a mostly protestant area) I dont think it would be beneficial to the meditative state to pull out a set of beads every time I have a few moments to properly pray.
Pulling out your beads in a “mostly Protestant area” would be a great witness for your faith, Mr. Salsa! You might inspire one of those Protestants to investigate our Faith, or give courage to another Catholic to get his own set of beads and pull them out in public. For me, a turning point in the practice of my own devotions came while watching a rerun of “Brian’s Song,” when the Bears’ tough coach, George Halas, is seen in the hallway outside of Brian Piccolo’s hospital room, sitting in a metal folding chair, praying the Rosary. That scene helped remind me that at one time we Catholics were much less hesitant to demonstrate our beliefs in public, and animated me to follow his example. Not only the Rosary but also participation in processions and dedications in public areas are excellent methods to evangelize the non-Catholic and reinforce the devotion of the already-Catholic.
 
Pulling out your beads in a “mostly Protestant area” would be a great witness for your faith, Mr. Salsa! You might inspire one of those Protestants to investigate our Faith, or give courage to another Catholic to get his own set of beads and pull them out in public. For me, a turning point in the practice of my own devotions came while watching a rerun of “Brian’s Song,” when the Bears’ tough coach, George Halas, is seen in the hallway outside of Brian Piccolo’s hospital room, sitting in a metal folding chair, praying the Rosary. That scene helped remind me that at one time we Catholics were much less hesitant to demonstrate our beliefs in public, and animated me to follow his example. Not only the Rosary but also participation in processions and dedications in public areas are excellent methods to evangelize the non-Catholic and reinforce the devotion of the already-Catholic.
Yeah, it would be nice, but I have tried it before, and it doesn’t usually turn out to be the silent witness I would hope, but rather a gateway for them to bombard me with questions while I try to meditate on the Mysteries of Jesus’ life. And I am one of those people who really dislikes being interrupted in prayer. To me its like talking to God on the phone and saying “hold on, Im getting another call”. Not exactly the best way to try to gain God’s favor.

Now if people would just wait 5 minutes and then ask me, what were you just doing, I would be fine discussing it with them, but prayer time is God’s time, not mine
 
I’m put to shame when I read your posts. I wish I could be more holy - perhaps as holy as some of you.

I don’t know the Luminous Mysteries but am only aware of the Joyful, Sorrowful and Glorious Mysteries on the days we’ve learned they are assigned to.

God and Our Lady bless you all.
 
Oh heavens ,don’t feel ashamed… the people who post here are from many varied backgrounds… many lifelong Catholics… many converts… religious or religious to be… lay people …married… traditional , non traditional , conservative… perhaps some more liberal… My point is we all come here to share or learn or just spend time… as for the “Luminous” Mysteries they are fairly new as things go… added by Blessed John Paul II…while there are various ways to say the rosary[ie dominican… or franciscan or 15 decade or 7 decade or 5 decade or add the fatima prayere etc… the basic rosay is much the same and many brochures are available…some with meditations some without…good luck hun

[that said… in another post someone listed these links which might prove of help or interest to you…
http://www.familyrosary.org/main/rosary-explanation.php

The Holy Cross Family Ministries might be a good start for your information. Pope John XXIII was instrumental as well as JPII Fr.Peyton the rosary priest is the founder of this organization.

You can also purchase a book on their website with a very thorough explanation.

More information on the history is also available on this website. [theholyrosary.org/]](http://www.theholyrosary.org/])

Hope this helps a bit… and again… by us all sharing information… well isnt that what this site is all about??? Some know more than others? Some are new?? All are welcome:angel1:
I’m put to shame when I read your posts. I wish I could be more holy - perhaps as holy as some of you.

I don’t know the Luminous Mysteries but am only aware of the Joyful, Sorrowful and Glorious Mysteries on the days we’ve learned they are assigned to.

God and Our Lady bless you all.
 
He often talks about the need to say the whole rosary every day.

Of course, in his time that would be the 15 mysteries of the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious sets.

however, we now have the Luminous set as well.

St. Louis de Montfort gives several ways of praying the rosary, with things for each of the original 15 mysteries.

Nothing of this exists for the Luminous

My question is, in light of the addition of the Luminous, is the 15 mystery rosary still a full rosary if I say that every day, or do I need to add the Luminous for it to be “complete”
St. Louis was very zealous in his recitation of the entire Rosary. However, it is not necessary. I prefer a Scriptural Rosary on a CD (or tape) and usually reflect on each set of mysteries one a day; i.e., Friday - Sorrowful, Saturday - Joyful, Sunday - Glorious, Monday - Luminous, etc. I then do the Way of the Cross Tuesday through Thursday, and back to the Sorrowful mysteries on Friday.
This is just my personal devotion schedule, but I don’t think it’s necessary to do all the mysteries per day. The vast majority of us do not have the time or the spiritual discipline to do it.
 
Well, right now my Marian Devotion is pretty much zero. There’s a brown scapular round my neck, but I haven’t been enrolled yet because Im trying to make sure I can wear it in the right mindset, and that I can keep up with a daily prayer with it.

I’ll be the first to say that while I know why Mary is held in such high esteem, I do not have a great love or devotion to her. Not because I don’t think she deserves it, as much as I have always struggled with the Rosary, and because I am not a big formulaic prayer type person.

Thats why I read through Secret of the Rosary, to try and learn more. However, the more I read, the more I felt drawn to the 15 mystery rosary he is writing on. But at the same time I don’t want to short Mary and Jesus of their praises.
On one hand I understand why you’re saying about formulaic prayer, but I see the wisdom in these types of prayers.
There’s a lot of wisdom in repetitive phrases, witness the popularity of TM.
Sometimes I just pray the Rosary for the comfort it brings me.
Most of the time, in fact.
I could be wrong but I don’t think that a person HAS to pray the rosary to be a good Catholic but it brings such peace and comfort that I consider it a gift.
Just my opinion.
 
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