A question for converts...either into the Church or from it

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It seems like when someone enters the Catholic Church, they have nothing bad to say about their old denomination. It also seems like when some leave the Catholic Church, they have nothing good to say about it. Why? I know not all former Catholics are like that, but there are many who are. What is the reason? I would like non-Catholics and converts to give some reasons before the cradle Catholics jump in. Why the venom?
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I think if one excercises free will, that does not mean one should be bitter about the faith one was hitherto into or one should be all praise for the one one has joined in. One should keep good and charitable and human feelings with the one one was previously with. It should come a natural way,

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Sin. Many of them disagreed with Catholic teachings, picked and chose their beliefs and were disobedient. It is not the lack of truth that damages, but the presence of the evil one’s lies. How could someone who regularly received the Eucharist and Reconciliation suddenly leave? The burden of unforgiven, or even unrepented of sin weakens one’s faith. Unworthy reception of the Eucharist only adds to this weight. Sooner or later, something has to give.

Ego. It lead Luther into disobedience, then away from the truth. It appeals to the modern mind and leads one to believe that they are above the ancient teachings of the church. Ego lead Lucifer to choose evil, just as it lead Adam and Eve to choose disobedience. Ego leads one to deceive oneself, as it is allied closely with the deceiver himself.

Denial. Once someone makes the decision to fall away, or seek another church, the matter of sin, ego and disobedience follow. One must then blame either self, or the Catholic church for the separation. Since ego does not like to confess sin, the mind’s defense mechanism of denial then aims at the church. This leads first to resentment of the church, then to anger against her, and finally to hatred of her. We notice it when it has metastacized into hatred. Some of this is obvious in posts here made by “former” or “ex” Catholics.

Many go to the mega churches, which tend to focus on the self, the “better you”, the “God wants you to be successful” themes. They stress forgiveness and acceptance rather than admonishment - just what the bruised ego craves. This can become the petri dish of anger against Catholicism.

Christ’s peace.
 
Well, I have a lot of bad things to say about my former denomination (Episcopalian), but so do most Episcopalians/Anglicans! 😃

What I don’t have is bad things to say about my faithful brothers and sisters still within Anglicanism.
 
I left the Seventh Day Adventist denomination and after a short while became Catholic. I was never angry with the SDA denomination, but I feel very sorry for them and their entrenched ignorance of the Truth and their utter refusal to see it. I thank God every day that He brought me to His One True Church.

I think the reason many former Catholics are so angry with the Church is because they know leaving was wrong and their anger justifies their choice.
I would have to agree with this statement.

The easiest way to keep something at arms length is the criticize it. No different than if you harm someone and don’t want to humble yourself and admit your fault. Humans are good at justifying their behavior by criticizing whomever or whatever it is and finding others to join in with them. Inevitably most come back toward the end of their life.
 
I think it has something to do with the fact that ex-Catholics left their Church because of a personal vendetta with the priest, or another person, they say they don’t want to go to confession, don’t like this or that, etc… NOT DOCTRINAL REASONS.
Its a fact that I left catholicism because of doctrinal reasons. Some things just did not make sense. 🤷
I think there are too many Christmas Catholics who take faith for granted.
Hey I think I’ll be a Catholic again this Christmas! 😃
 
Its a fact that I left catholicism because of doctrinal reasons. Some things just did not make sense. 🤷

Because some catholic teachings dont make sense.
Agnos, even when I don’t agree with you, I do admire your methodology and style. I have never seen you spew the venom that some former Catholics on here do. Were you ever bitter and hateful towards the Church and her members?

I do think that it is a misconception that people do not leave the Church over doctrine. I know of a few you have myself.
 
most catholics have been poorly catechized, especially because of parental neglect to do so.

It is not the job of the priest to catechize our children, He has enough service to do for the church, it is up to the parents.

“not 100 people hate the catholic church, but there are millions who hate what they believe the catholic church teaches”
-bishop fulton sheen
 
In my case, it helped that the Lutheran church is so similar to the Catholic Church. I would never, ever, speak of my Lutheran roots, except in terms of the greatest respect and affection. I owe so much of my knowledge of Christ and the scriptures to my solid Lutheran upbringing. It was a preparation and foundation, and I think many, if not most, converts from protestantism would agree.

I was confirmed in the Catholic Church on the exact anniversary of my confirmation in the Lutheran Church. That had to be more than coincidence!
 
I have never seen you spew the venom that some former Catholics on here do. Were you ever bitter and hateful towards the Church and her members?
Metaron made that ridiculous generalization that catholics only leave because of a “personal vendetta with the priest, or another person”, and not because of doctrinal reasons. I find that insulting. I held no such vendettas. So please excuse me if my reply appeared to be a bit ‘venomous’. And hey I edited my post right before you replied. See what I said instead. 😃
 
Metaron made that ridiculous generalization that catholics only leave because of a “personal vendetta with the priest, or another person”, and not because of doctrinal reasons. I find that insulting. I held no such vendettas. So please excuse me if my reply appeared to be a bit ‘venomous’. And hey I edited my post right before you replied. See what I said instead. 😃
I didn’t take it to be so. If I had, i would have figured you are having a bad day, because it is not you. It seems like an intellectual decision to leave would yeild different feelings than an emotional. Then let me ask from your perspective, why do you think so many are so anti-Catholic? And you are always welcome at Christmas, even if it is for a day (just don’t go to communion unless you are back for good:thumbsup: )
 
Most of the angry ex-Catholics I have encountered are angry over “the rules” – rules telling them that they are in mortal sin if they fornicate, divorce and remarry without an annulment, contracept, etc. They seem to think that if they quit the Church, they are excused from following these rules, in the same way that if they quit a sports team, they won’t have to work out anymore. 🤷 But sorry, guys, these are God’s rules, not man’s, and one doesn’t get a “pass” just because they walk away from the Church.

The angriest ex-Catholic I know is a real “right-fighter.” He cannot stand to be told that he might be wrong about something, and the fact that he has chosen to live in an invalid marriage and therefore cannot receive the sacraments really ticks him off. Since the Church won’t do things* his* way, he stormed off in a rage and hasn’t even looked back.

I left the Methodist church because I was wanting something more. I have no hostility toward Methodism at all; it just wasn’t for me. I attended several different “types” of Methodist churches ranging from a mega-church wanna-be with its projection screen/praise band/entertainment-style service to one which was very conservative and almost evangelical to one in an upper middle-class area which seemed more like a social club with a couple of hymns and prayers thrown in. If that works for those people, good luck to them. I don’t condemn them because to do so would be to condemn many of my loved ones…but I do pray for them to find the fullness of faith.
 
Then let me ask from your perspective, why do you think so many are so anti-Catholic?
Its a combination of many factors:
  • bad experience from catholicism
  • a desire to correct what they percieve is a wrong practice
  • self defense
  • jealousy
 
I am not angry with my former Church - I still love all my old friends there.

I am angry with Protestantism in general, for creating the conditions that caused and are causing the members of my former church to lose their faith in Christ, and any chance for Heaven that they may at one time have had. It’s a helpless feeling, watching my Mom buy into all this Jesus Seminar mumbo jumbo, while thinking that she is learning how to be “Biblically literate,” and thinking that she is becoming wise, for no longer believing in the miracles of the New Testament, or that Jesus died for her sins or anybody else’s. :rolleyes:

You expect this sort of thing from people who watch talk shows all day, but my mother doesn’t even watch TV at all - she is (or would like to be) a highly educated woman, and here she is getting all this - excuse me, what’s the word - from her own Church, which she is faithfully trusting to give her the Truth. And instead she is getting all this stuff for which I can’t even think of a printable word. :mad:
 
I am not angry with my former Church - I still love all my old friends there.

I am angry with Protestantism in general, for creating the conditions that caused and are causing the members of my former church to lose their faith in Christ, and any chance for Heaven that they may at one time have had. It’s a helpless feeling, watching my Mom buy into all this Jesus Seminar mumbo jumbo, while thinking that she is learning how to be “Biblically literate,” and thinking that she is becoming wise, for no longer believing in the miracles of the New Testament, or that Jesus died for her sins or anybody else’s. :rolleyes:

You expect this sort of thing from people who watch talk shows all day, but my mother doesn’t even watch TV at all - she is (or would like to be) a highly educated woman, and here she is getting all this - excuse me, what’s the word - from her own Church, which she is faithfully trusting to give her the Truth. And instead she is getting all this stuff for which I can’t even think of a printable word. :mad:
Sigh… we can all pray, and when the subject of religion comes, throw the Church Fathers at her! This is how I confound my Protestant fundamentalist father daily. He’s the one who says I’m a servant of the “Antichrist” (the Pope) and the “whore of Babyon” (The Catholic Church, founded by Christ). :rolleyes:
 
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I am angry with Protestantism in general, for creating the conditions that caused and are causing the members of my former church to lose their faith in Christ, and any chance for Heaven that they may at one time have had.
what conditions?
 
Rebecca,
I wish you and your family all the best. I think that you may be a good example. If it is not too personal, please elaborate on the feelings of rejection you felt from God. The rejection from members of your former faith is not surprising. What lead you to leave?

To me, the whole thing is like a child riding a bike. They start with a tricycle, then a bikle with training wheels, then one without, then a multi-speed road or mountain bike. It seems like those who leave the Catholic Church never got past the training wheels and are mad that they couldn’t get the 21 speed. They leave the church and find one that has something that they need. They hate the Church for not giving them the best bike when they weren’t ready for it at the time. The Protestants seem to be closer to the 10-speed and want the 21 speed mountain bike. They are thankful to the previous church for getting them to the 10-speed, but they wanted more.
Interesting analogy, but not my experience. 🙂

Mormonism taught me that you have to be worthy of God’s love. That this life is the time where we prove to God that we can be perfect, not make any mistakes, and if we can do that, then God will love us.

I was taught about forgiveness, but it wasn’t a clean forgiveness. I had the morality lesson when I was a teenager, that I am like a brand new piece of wood. If I am unchaste, then that is like a nail being hammered into the wood. Forgiveness is the nail being removed. But look! There remains in that new board a hole, that can never be repaired. So forgiveness isn’t really forgiveness.

It was demoralizing. Especially for a young girl who had a boyfriend and wasn’t as chaste as all that. And already feeling guilty as hell, I knew that I was done for. That God rejected me, fully and completely. No questions asked. There was no way I could be perfect. Not ever. There was no way I would ever be “worthy” of God’s love.

There were other things going on at the time. The most impact was the equal rights amendment and the mormon church’s stance against it. When I could see nothing wrong with it. At all. It only confirmed my growing suspicion that I was being led towards a life that I didn’t want.

I started looking at other belief systems. And I read one book about early mormon church history and was shocked at the lies I had been told. It all came to a point in my early 20’s where I saw religion as nothing but lies. And God as one MF bastard that I didn’t want anything to do with. And one day, sitting at red light, I had the greatest insight ever. I didn’t have to believe in God, at all. It was this huge relief and I felt so damned happy over that realization.

Mormons that I tell this to tell me I left because I sinned. They see this a tale of an unchaste girl who wanted to live a life of sin. Which, is quite the opposite. I wanted God to love me. I wanted forgiveness. But based on what I was taught I knew that it would never happen.

And it effected me in other ways. I believed for the longest time that sexual desire itself was a sin, and that had quite the effect on my life and marriage. It wasn’t until I few years ago that I was telling this to a friend and they tole me that sexual desire was normal. Oh. I thought I was some freak who couldn’t stop sinning, and I’m not talking any acting on anything here. Just normal sexual desires. So that triggered my pissed off at mormonism, big time. Because I know where that idea came from. My mormon religious education.

There are 50 things like this at least, that I discover. The biggest being that God is Love, and loves me no matter what. And my response to that is love in return and certainly, in a relationship of love you work at keeping everything “right”.

I was pissed beyond belief when I figured this out. I wanted to throw things and scream every cuss word that ever existed. This was the root of my atheism. I thought I had stopped believing in that god that rejected me, but I hadn’t. My unbelief was based on a belief in a god that was lie. Damn I was pissed. For one, I thought I had “got the mormon” out of me. But there it was, holding me down.

As I learned about God, via my studies of Catholicism, I would sometimes just grieve for days over what I had been taught and wonder why it was that that stinking stupid religion ever existed at all.
 
what conditions?
The confusion caused by the notion that there are “essential” and “non-essential” doctrines. (Doctrine is doctrine. All of it is essential.)

The blatant man-made-ness of it - if the Pope was wrong, what makes Martin Luther/John Calvin/Simons Mennos/take your pick to be right? If they can make up a new religion based on their understanding of the Bible, then so can I.

The me-centered-ness of it. That you find yourself a religion that agrees with you. Because there is absolutely no way to know which one agrees with God. (God will understand - right?) 🤷
 
This post probably belongs in the #1 reason I’m Not Catholic thread. But I’ll tell you what tees people off about Catholicism. It’s not Catholic doctrine. It’s the artificial contraception stance. On one hand, the RCC is consistent and unconcerned about the whims of culture and that is far too rare these days. On the other, you mean to tell me that God cares where my husband has his “ephiphany”? Whether it’s in a “life-giving way”? Sorry, but I really don’t think God cares so long as we’re devoted to one another and keep the gravity boots out of public view.
 
This post probably belongs in the #1 reason I’m Not Catholic thread. But I’ll tell you what tees people off about Catholicism. It’s not Catholic doctrine. It’s the artificial contraception stance. On one hand, the RCC is consistent and unconcerned about the whims of culture and that is far too rare these days. On the other, you mean to tell me that God cares where my husband has his “ephiphany”? Whether it’s in a “life-giving way”? Sorry, but I really don’t think God cares so long as we’re devoted to one another and keep the gravity boots out of public view.
Guess it’s all in your perspective. Coming from a religious background where polygamy is in my ancestry and the religion itself expects that it will be instituted again any day now, as part of salvation…this seems downright normal. More like, a reversal of fortune. Do you see what I mean?

And, there are quite a few who believe that God declaring that devotion is required and the correct location of gravity boots, is God in too much of this business.

Why believe one and not the other? Why believe any of it at all?
 
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