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If we are all Heavenly Father’s spirit children, then how is Jesus the Only Begotten Son of God?
Oooh, good question!! It is as valid a question for Catholics, however, as it is for Latter-day Saints. Both ideas are freely taught in the Bible.

Here is the answer: Begotten, according to Mirriam-Webster Online, means:
1 : to procreate as the father
In other words, Jesus had an immortal father and a mortal mother (Mary). His “immortal heritage” allowed him to have power over death and take back his body on the third day, but his “mortal heritage” allowed him to die as a sacrifice for sin.

We, on the other hand, all have two mortal parents. (unless their is some immortal soul lurking on this forum somewhere…)
 
Simple question. In the sequence of things, as mormons believe
  • Your god created everyone as spirits first, including Jesus
  • Jesus is a spirit child, just like everyone else…you, ParkerD, LDSguy, you all started out the same as Jesus
  • Your god said his plan was for you to be gods too. To make this happen, you gotta be born and have a body.
  • You, ParkerD, LDSguy and Jesus, all get bodies
  • You, ParkerD, LDSguy believe you can be exalted at the resurrection
If you believe Jesus is just like all y’alls…WHEN was Jesus exalted?
To add to that Becca, what about the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is still a spirit, do they believe that The Holy Spirit will have to take on a body also?
 
To add to that Becca, what about the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is still a spirit, do they believe that The Holy Spirit will have to take on a body also?
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I’ve asked the same question, both when I was a teen and to LDS who are around these days. How is it that the Holy Spirit is a God without a body?

It is one of those things they don’t have an answer for.
 
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I’ve asked the same question, both when I was a teen and to LDS who are around these days. How is it that the Holy Spirit is a God without a body?

It is one of those things they don’t have an answer for.
I’ve also noticed that the LDS Holy Spirit is rather frail and timid he’s chased away by sooo many situations. Like smoke the least disturbance and poof, gone.
 
I’ve also noticed that the LDS Holy Spirit is rather frail and timid he’s chased away by sooo many situations. Like smoke the least disturbance and poof, gone.
haha, yeah, when I was a kid, 8 or 9 yrs old, I was watching Disney’s Pinocchio, and had this very distinct thought that the Holy Ghost was just like Jiminy Cricket.
 
That is what I am remembering.

Spirit siblings…Jesus being the first born. God asks who, Jesus raises His hand.

The Jesus is Jehovah thing is new. I still have subscription to gospelink.com. I looked it up…back in the day your church explained “Jehovah” differently. How I was taught. Jehovah = God the Father.

exalted = become A god. Jesus was a first born spirit…made A god? When?

please, you believe Jesus is A God. Not THE God. Still no answer to when.

exalted = made A god

so when are you exalted…assuming you’re worthy and all
If 'exalted" means ‘being made a god’ to you, then Jesus was not exalted when He was resurrected, since He was God before the earth was.

As to the teaching that Jesus is Jehovah being new…here is what Pres. Hinkley had to say about it in “We Testify of Jesus Christ”.

Look, I"m four months shy of being sixty. I’ve known about this teaching since I was old enough to be told bible stories.

But please. Do not take my word for this. Poll all the LDS who post in here. Then go ask a member of your family. Take your courage in your hands and ask a Bishop or a missionary or…

(shrug)

Or not, as you wish.
 
Lamb of God Girly,
I happened upon your question. Though Diana can of course answer also, I wanted you to understand that for the LDS the term Godhead is used in lieu of the term “trinity” because “trinity” is always understood to mean a definition that implies or says “three in one.”

We believe God the Father and Jesus Christ are separate Divine Beings who are One in purpose, united in their perfect love for all of us, who are each omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent. They are one in the exact sense conveyed in John 17.

The discussion about the definition of the trinity was, as you probably know, one of the main reasons for the council of Nicea that led to the Nicene creed. The key people got together so they could try to agree on a creed that they could teach. They had differing understandings–that’s why they convened the council. Just because they came up with a definition that the majority agreed on, doesn’t mean they got it right.

But, again, your beliefs are fine if they lead you to pray sincerely to God who loves you personally, and if you believe in Jesus who also loves you and indeed died for all of our sins. If you think they are manifestations of the same loving Being, and continue to read the Bible and seek the Spirit, I think God will guide your life. Why would God be so narrow as to insist that everyone visualizes Him exactly the same way?

Say, you might be interested to know that our church believes Jesus was born right around April 6, the same time as Easter. So in the coming weeks, as we all think of Jesus and His merciful love for us, we all can remember His birth, His atonement and His resurrection, and rejoice in these glorious blessings to all of humankind.
Thanks, ParkerD…this was a better explanation than the one I was preparing to write!
 
that’s nice ParkerD. I think we’ve established several times over that your teachings change.

still no answer
He quotes something from “Jesus the Christ” published in 1915, that comprises teachings that have been the same from the beginning of the church, and that we are telling you that we still believe…

And you are telling us that this means our ‘teachings change?’

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It hasn’t occurred to you at all that it is not our teachings that have changed, but that your memory of them is faulty, has it?
 
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I’ve asked the same question, both when I was a teen and to LDS who are around these days. How is it that the Holy Spirit is a God without a body?

It is one of those things they don’t have an answer for.
He is God without a body the same way that Jehovah was God without a body, Rebecca.
 
I’ve also noticed that the LDS Holy Spirit is rather frail and timid he’s chased away by sooo many situations. Like smoke the least disturbance and poof, gone.
That’s what happens when you give people free will: they can choose to listen or not to listen.

1 Kings 19: 11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

“Still small voices” require quiet minds and receptive spirits to hear.
So yes, God can be chased away by soooo many situations," like contention, and violence, sarcasm, hardness of heart, closed minds and spirits, dissension…

Rev. 3: 20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

There is a rather famous image of this: Jesus knocking at a door with no handle on His side. It is as beloved by Catholics (at least according to my image search) as it is by Protestants and Restorationists. This image…and the scripture behind it, indicate that God is not frightened away by anything, but will definitely not come in where He is not wanted.

 
He is God without a body the same way that Jehovah was God without a body, Rebecca.
How is it that a body is required for you to attain godhood, but for Jesus and the Holy Spirit it is not?

Why do LDS have such a problem with the Christian belief that God the Father is spirit?
 
How is it that a body is required for you to attain godhood, but for Jesus and the Holy Spirit it is not?

Why do LDS have such a problem with the Christian belief that God the Father is spirit?
Rebecca,
Once again I had a few minutes to spare, and thought I would see what questions are coming up here. Diana can soon answer also to add to my perspective, as follows:

As the Bible says, Jesus is the Firstborn of the Father–His first spirit Son, Who also possessed within His spirit the intelligence of One who could comprehend the truths of eternity far more quickly and completely than we could when we were later “born” as the Father’s spirit children. We don’t know what time difference there was between the Savior’s spirit birth and ours, but I assume it must have been millenia–such that when we were “born” as spirit children, we could sense and understand that here was an “older” Spirit who had already reached the point of having the same light, love, knowledge, power and goodness (meaning omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent even as the Firstborn spirit) as our Heavenly Father. We knew that He was our Heavenly Father’s son just as we were His children, yet that He was incredibly gifted because of His innate goodness and intelligence. We knew that He was indeed a God, in the spirit likeness of His Father and having the likeness of power and love of His Father. We weren’t like that at all. We were like infants, needing to progress in a different way than Jehovah (the pre-mortal Christ) was able to become God the Son as a spirit. We had no way to do it without a “Plan” for our Salvation and Exaltation that would allow for our progress without needing us to pay the penalties for our mistakes all along the way.

The Holy Spirit holds a special place in the Godhood, still with omnipotence but with a function of testifying to our hearts of truths of eternity so that when we hear them, if in spiritual “tune” we will recognize the promptings of the Holy Spirit to our hearts and minds and spirits, and respond. Perhaps He will receive a body in some eternal future, but what is at issue here and now is what we will do with the “hidden knowledge” He has both the capacity and the willingness to provide us if we are willing to listen. But He doesn’t shout, show signs or wonders–He speaks to our heart and mind by a “voice of perfect mildness”, the “still, small voice.”

I don’t think LDS members or leaders “have a problem” with your beliefs in the Trinity and God the Father as Spirit only. Just because we don’t share those beliefs, doesn’t mean we “have a problem” with a different set of beliefs. You could look back at what I wrote to Lamb of God Girly on the subject.

But we do think that an understanding that Heavenly Father has a body allows us to conceive and understand that our body is a wonderful gift to us, a temple, a gift that we should reverence and respect. We can also picture this loving Father in our mind’s eye knowing that He does indeed look (in a perfect way) “like us”, that we were indeed created in His image–that that is not just a figure of speech in the Bible, but literally true. With that conviction in our hearts, we can act more strongly and without hesitation in keeping our bodies sacred and our minds as pure as we can possibly strive for.

These things I know to be true by that “voice of perfect mildness” that has reverbrated those truths into every fiber of my being, and every feeling of my heart.
 
Do LDS worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
Amontoya,
'Hope all is well with you. To answer your question, here is a good summary:

The late prophet and president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gordon B. Hinckley, offered a declaration of belief in a July 2006 Ensign magazine article entitled, “In These Three I Believe,” wherein he reaffirmed the teachings of the LDS Church regarding the distinct individuality and perfect unity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. He affirmed that God the Father is “the Father of the spirits of all men,” “the great Creator, the Ruler of the universe,” whose “love encompasses all of His children, and it is His work and glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His sons and daughters of all generations.” He affirmed that Jesus Christ, the Son of God and “the one perfect man to walk the earth,” is the “Firstborn of the Father and the only Begotten of the Father in the flesh,” and that He fulfilled Isaiah’s prophecy that “his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6) He affirmed, “He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world,” through whose loving atoning sacrifice is extended to “every son and daughter of God, the opportunity for eternal life and exaltation in our Father’s kingdom, as we hearken to and obey His commandments… I worship Him as I worship His Father, in spirit and in truth… We approach the Father through the Son. He is our intercessor at the throne of God.” He affirmed that the Holy Ghost is a distinct spirit being who is the Comforter and the Testifier of Truth, and that the “perfect unity between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost binds these three into the oneness of the divine Godhead.”

So, yes, and yes.
 
Rebecca,
But we do think that an understanding that Heavenly Father has a body allows us to conceive and understand that our body is a wonderful gift to us, a temple, a gift that we should reverence and respect. We can also picture this loving Father in our mind’s eye knowing that He does indeed look (in a perfect way) “like us”, that we were indeed created in His image–that that is not just a figure of speech in the Bible, but literally true. With that conviction in our hearts, we can act more strongly and without hesitation in keeping our bodies sacred and our minds as pure as we can possibly strive for.
Why does God have to have a body for you to know and do these things?
These things I know to be true by that “voice of perfect mildness” that has reverbrated those truths into every fiber of my being, and every feeling of my heart.
Nice testimony bearing. :rolleyes:

And as usual, you didn’t answer what I asked. I’m beginning to wonder if you are able to comprehend written English.
 
How do you worship them?

Do you pray to them?
Rebecca,
There was a group of Nephites who prayed to Jesus when He was visiting them and was in their presence. In usual circumstances today (since Jesus is not present with us in resurrected physical person), we do as President Hinckley said:

“I worship Him as I worship His Father, in spirit and in truth… We approach the Father through the Son.”

I feel worshipful of the Holy Spirit, and ask for His presence and influence to be with me by praying to Heavenly Father for that guiding influence of the Holy Spirit.

So, I would say that we worship Them by adoration of Their mission, love, and influence in our lives, but we pray to Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, under the guiding influence of the Holy Spirit who helps us know what to pray for. We worship Jesus Christ for His perfect example, His perfect love, and His loving atoning sacrifice for all of us which was incomprehensibly painful.

We worship Them for the sense of joy They bring into our lives, and feel inexpressibly grateful for all that They do now, have done, and continue to do for each and every one of us on this great planet earth.
 
Rebecca,
There was a group of Nephites who prayed to Jesus when He was visiting them and was in their presence. In usual circumstances today (since Jesus is not present with us in resurrected physical person), we do as President Hinckley said:

“I worship Him as I worship His Father, in spirit and in truth… We approach the Father through the Son.”
Yes, I know this. But do you pray to Jesus?
I feel worshipful of the Holy Spirit, and ask for His presence and influence to be with me by praying to Heavenly Father for that guiding influence of the Holy Spirit.
You pray to the Holy Spirit?
So, I would say that we worship Them by adoration of Their mission, love, and influence in our lives, but we pray to Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, under the guiding influence of the Holy Spirit who helps us know what to pray for. We worship Jesus Christ for His perfect example, His perfect love, and His loving atoning sacrifice for all of us which was incomprehensibly painful.
We worship Them for the sense of joy They bring into our lives, and feel inexpressibly grateful for all that They do now, have done, and continue to do for each and every one of us on this great planet earth.
These are all good internal types of worships. Any external?
 
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