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dianaiad
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Well, now that you have addressed the strawman, would you care to address the actual issue?
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dianaiad
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Yes. I need primary sources. Give me a quote saying that Jesus is A God.
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Tmaque
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Diana,
Please. I’m trying to have a conversation here. If you just want to respond with snarky sarcasm I think it proves you have weak arguments.
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RebeccaJ
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Please see post #162 of this thread.
Stephen168
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He argued why believing God has a physical body is irrational. When you call it a strawman, you are indicating that Mormons do not believe God has a body. Is that true? Do Mormons believe God does not have a physical body?
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dianaiad
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Actually, let me refresh your memory:
To which you replied to my use of the word “if” in the second sentence, rather than the actual point, which was that your argument is “as much against God in any form, spirit or not, as it is against God having a physical body.”
In that second sentence, I used a perfectly acceptable cause/effect relationship of “if/then”.
IF God is apart from the universe He created, THEN it doesn’t matter what matter/spirit/whatever forms His substance, does it? It is His, apart from the universe He created.
So you come back, not with an argument against my point, but rather an invalid criticism of my grammar…and that, sir, is a classic strawman. I called you on it. If that’s considered ‘snarky,’ so be it.
However, since it is important to you, I will phrase it differently–especially since we agree that God created the universe.
God created the universe. Since He created it, and it did not create Him, we don’t get to dictate what He looks like, of what matter/spirit/substance He is formed. He can have a body, or not, as He actually IS, whether it messes with our sensibilities or not.
Everything I have read points to that. He created the universe. He has a body…and it is utter silliness to insist that because He is ‘apart from the universe’ He cannot have a physical body. There is no way we can impose such a restriction upon God. There is no way we can impose ANY restriction/requirement upon Him.
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dianaiad
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No, he addressed my use of “if” and argued that it wasn’t “if” God created the universe. He argued THAT God created the universe. He didn’t address my point at all, but rather addressed a point of grammar and rhetoric–incorrectly, as it happens.
Stephen168
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You didn’t answer the question. Do Mormons believe God has a physical body?
Stephen168
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Having a physical body is a restriction.
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Scriptorian
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God has a body of flesh and bone (not flesh and blood) and having a body is not a restriction. The idea that the body is somehow evil or perhaps even something to be hated was an idea introduced by the Catholic Church–not the Savior Jesus Christ or his apostles.
Remember the scripture:
Mormons teach this beautiful doctrine:
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Jerusha
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We do not deny that there are some good doctrines in Mormonism. 
We do have some things in common.
After all, there is some good in all religions.
We do have some things in common.
After all, there is some good in all religions.
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Scriptorian
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What exactly are you saying? Did you just compare Mormonism to Tolkien? And then you said that both have beautiful parts? Wow, the views of Catholics could cause spiritual whiplash!We do not deny that there are some good doctrines in Mormonism.
We do have some things in common.
After all, there is some good in all religions.
How about these questions, for example. Is there one true church, or are all churches (or religions) “good”? Are the holy sacraments required for salvation or will any baptism, confirmation, holy supper, etc. be enough? Is God our father, or are we from a completely different essence and unrelated?
I have a lot of respect for the current Pope because he takes a stand on hard issues. Unfortunately, he gets blasted every time he does, because so many Catholics have already converted to the religion of moral relativism. Christ did not apologize for teaching unpopular truths, nor did Peter and Paul.
I do appreciate that you agree that many things Mormons teach are good doctrines. Many from your faith refuse to admit even that.
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Scriptorian
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Where did you guys decide that God is “apart from the universe?” God is very much in all things, through all things, and round about all things. In the beautiful words of the Psalmist:
God is as much a part of the universe as a father is a part of his own family. A creator can never be completely disassociated from his creations.
Furthermore, Mormons teach that the spirit of God (in this case it is also called the light of Christ) allows the universe to function for his light is the law that governs all things. (D&C 88:13)
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Jerusha
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Some religions have more truth than others. 
It is all relative. And Catholicism is the best of all. 
This is not “moral relativism”. God judges acccording to all the information He knows. 
People also judge, and that reflects their souls.
It is all relative. And Catholicism is the best of all. This is not “moral relativism”. God judges acccording to all the information He knows. People also judge, and that reflects their souls.
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Scriptorian
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You basically just defined moral relativism and said it is not moral relativism. I agree that all religions have some truth, but only one church can be authorized by God:Some religions have more truth than others.
There can only be one Kingdom of God on Earth. Only in that Kingdom will anyone find true salvation, true sacraments, and the true knowledge of God.
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Jerusha
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You see things in black and white. I see shades of grey, and COLOR. You apparently define moral relativism differently than I do. Thank you, but I have found true salvation, sacraments, and my Lord.
Thank you anyway. I know what I believe.
Stephen168
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God does not have a body. It is irrational to think he does. It is a restriction to his omnipresence. Omnipresence is an attribute of the Christian God.
The body is not considered evil by the Catholic Church. Have you seen the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel?
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zaffiroborant
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PaulDupre
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That does not mean that God is a part of His creation or arose from within that creation. If I build a house, I can visit that house any time I want; I can walk through that house and spend time in any part of it I choose, because it is mine. That does not mean that I am part of the house.
Likewise, God created the universe, and so He cares for it and can be in it and throughout it as he wishes. But God is not a part of the universe that He created.
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Scriptorian
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Anyone who believes anything knows what they believe. That doesn’t mean it is true. I do not doubt that you believe in God and Christ and the Bible. All good things. You may also believe in the eternal reward for our actions, the need for authority to act in God’s name, and the reality of Christ’s resurrection. These are good things, too.
But how do you know that baptism in the Catholic Church can save you from death and eternal punishment? How do you know that communion in the Catholic Church can bring you to Christ? How do you know that marriage in the Catholic Church creates an eternal family?
It is not enough to believe in something. You have to believe in something that is true.
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