A question for Muslims concerning the Injil (Gospels)?

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rain_bow said:
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You’re welcome!😃
I do not think that polytheist peoples are worse because I had a friend who practiced Wicca,though I never asked to her what is it, just I know that it is a form of Neo-Paganism, and she was a wonderful woman ;).
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Perhaps I put it the wrong way, I did not intend to say that the people who believe in and practice Mormonism are worse than other Christians:eek:. That would not be true, just like it would not be true to say that Muslims are worse people than Christians.🤷

I was trying to show you why, from the perspective of “main Stream Christianity” as you put it, the Mormons’ beliefs are even further from the truth or worse than JWs- I would say, even worse than Islamic beliefs. Because they do not accept the basics- That God is one, they believe that you and I, everyone, can become a god, and have a different revelation after Jesus.
And also many peoples do not consider Christians as monotheist, because of trinity, but since this is off topic so lets not talk about it.
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People who think Christians are not monotheists because of Trinity, think so because they have no idea what it really means…And the dishonest ones impute their own false understandings on Trinity, Like Mohammad, the Prophet of Islam.
and As I said, still trinity is not clear to me, so I think I need to understand it 1st.I hope you also confess that trinity is very complex and difficult to understand for non Christians :).
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I’m sure it is very difficult for non-Christians because even me, before I had read about it, I did not understand.😉

Peace!
 
Marybeloved said:
You’re welcome!😃

Perhaps I put it the wrong way, I did not intend to say that the people who believe in and practice Mormonism are worse than other Christians:eek:. That would not be true, just like it would not be true to say that Muslims are worse people than Christians.🤷

I was trying to show you why, from the perspective of “main Stream Christianity” as you put it, the Mormons’ beliefs are even further from the truth or worse than JWs- I would say, even worse than Islamic beliefs. Because they do not accept the basics- That God is one, they believe that you and I, everyone, can become a god, and have a different revelation after Jesus.
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Its clear 😉
People who think Christians are not monotheists because of Trinity, think so because they have no idea what it really means…And the dishonest ones impute their own false understandings on Trinity, Like Mohammad, the Prophet of Islam.
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Yes honestly speaking trinity is a puzzle to me.But it does not matter since monotheists and polytheists are same valuable for me ;).
I’m sure it is very difficult for non-Christians because even me, before I had read about it, I did not understand.😉
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Peace!
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Well yes trinity is extremely difficult to understand , and I do not know how much time I will take to understand it ;).

Peace:)
 
Marybeloved said:
Perhaps I put it the wrong way, I did not intend to say that the people who believe in and practice Mormonism are worse than other Christians:eek:. That would not be true, just like it would not be true to say that Muslims are worse people than Christians.🤷
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Cool, I was just kidding 😃
 
rain_bow said:
What?:eek: everyone can become a god?Is it the belief of Mormons? Okay great idea, tell me buddy when everyone can become a god?In this world or next?:confused:
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Yes, Mormons believe that the God of our world was once like us, then he was very good to his own father/god and was rewarded with a world of his own to rule as god- so if we are very good (according to mormon morality et al) we will also be a god in the next life, get a world of our own with people and be worshiped as God the father there.
 
Marybeloved said:
Yes, Mormons believe that the God of our world was once like us, then he was very good to his own father/god and was rewarded with a world of his own to rule as god- so if we are very good (according to mormon morality et al) we will also be a god in the next life, get a world of our own with people and be worshiped as God the father there.
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Hmmm :D:D:D,very Interesting idea. I am thinking of converting to Mormonism,because it had been my wish to become a god since my Childhood,when I used to read Greek epics lol. 👍

Just kidding.😛
 
Coles notes: When you dig into Islam, all the confusion found within displays itself.

If you follow Marybeloved’s posts in refute of the responses. You will notice the following
  1. She is VERY logical in her arguments and brings things back to the “lowest common denominator”
  2. She asks very very important questions related to the lowest common denominator that no one has yet answered in support of Quran, Hadiths or Surahs. In fact she has proved in many ways, the contradictions in the Quran, the hypocrisy in Hadiths and falsehoods in Surahs.
  3. The Quran supporters have danced around her questions by simply taking scripture out of context and countering with a strawman scripture quote followed by questions.
There are a couple parts that really makes no sense in the Islamic belief system.
  1. They are the original religion before Judaism and Christianity. However, their religion was born with that message hundreds and hundreds of years after after Christianity at the earliest, and at the lastest much later…
    So this begs a question,
Q. If Islam is the original, where is the historical proof of this? Documentation is needed here when and where this “belief” stems from. Even athiest’s have a good statement, extrodinary claims need extrodinary evidence. So where is the evidence of this besides, so and so told me so?
  1. They say that evil cannot fake being good. However, this is not true at all, evil is very good at faking being “Good”. They quote that the devil cannot ever say “he is God” However, the Devil absolutely can claim this as he is a liar. He can also claim he is
    “God” as God does not equate to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. It is simply a title with nothing behind it. HOWEVER, He cannot stand or say the names Jesus Christ or even Mary.
Q. So Mohammed was told by someone else that he was visited by Gabriel?? So how was this proven or determined exactly besides again he said or they told me so? In the Bible the Archangels always introduced themselves at some point even when hiding amongst the ppl to help them ie: book of Tobit.
  1. Miracles in of themselves are not proof of being a prophet. Even the Catholic church doesnt believe its own holiest examples are doing miracles without EXTENSIVE testinga nd evidence. Yes Mohammed MIGHT have done some miracles (even though he himself denies he has done anything except write the Quran).
Q. So to be a muslim you believe in the Hadiths and Quran which contradict each other consistently regarding miracles. How do you reconcille this?

Thanks,

D
 
Hello D,

Point 1: Islam does not Copy or beg borrow or steal from judaism or Christiatity, it adds to those teaches and provides a more comprehensive guide to living your life. Muslims have a lot of love for Jesus btw.

Point 2: I agree, as a muslim.

Point 3: Angel Gabriel did introduce himself to Mohammad, that is a given.

Point 4: Regardless of your inquiry please answer me what your definition of a prophet is. What do you believe defines a person as a Prophet and I will address that.

Point 5: please provide me the accounts of such inconsistencies and I would love to discuss them with you
 
LUV4ALL said:
Hello D,

Point 1: Islam does not Copy or beg borrow or steal from judaism or Christiatity, it adds to those teaches and provides a more comprehensive guide to living your life. Muslims have a lot of love for Jesus btw.

Point 2: I agree, as a muslim.

Point 3: Angel Gabriel did introduce himself to Mohammad, that is a given.

Point 4: Regardless of your inquiry please answer me what your definition of a prophet is. What do you believe defines a person as a Prophet and I will address that.

Point 5: please provide me the accounts of such inconsistencies and I would love to discuss them with you
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Mohamad did indeed copy from Judaism & heretical Christianity.

And no… the so called spirit which grabbed mohamad in the cave did **not **introduce itself.
 
LUV4ALL said:
Hello D,

Point 1: Islam does not Copy or beg borrow or steal from judaism or Christiatity, it adds to those teaches and provides a more comprehensive guide to living your life. Muslims have a lot of love for Jesus btw.

Point 2: I agree, as a muslim.

Point 3: Angel Gabriel did introduce himself to Mohammad, that is a given.

Point 4: Regardless of your inquiry please answer me what your definition of a prophet is. What do you believe defines a person as a Prophet and I will address that.

Point 5: please provide me the accounts of such inconsistencies and I would love to discuss them with you
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Point 1: You have the 10 commandments in the Quran? that came from Moses aka Judaism! By denying this you deny the Importance of the jewish ppl, and God’s
relationship with them. So yes copying and borrowing has happened!!.

Point 2: ok

Point 3:Prove it please, as no one has shown any scripture that says the angel introduced himself by name directly to Mohammad.

Point 4: Prophets are those that speak from divine inspiration that is all

Point 5: If you read the entire thread others and myself have pointed out the inconsistencies
 
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