A Question for those that Believe in Reincarnation:

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The human population of the world is growing. There are also times when it shrinks a little. So do reincarnationists believe more human souls are being created when the population grows? That human souls are “put on hold” when it shrinks? (Or that those are times people “break out” of the reincarnation cycle.) Or something else?
 
mVitus said:
The human population of the world is growing. There are also times when it shrinks a little. So do reincarnationists believe more human souls are being created when the population grows? That human souls are “put on hold” when it shrinks? (Or that those are times people “break out” of the reincarnation cycle.) Or something else?
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That’s a good question. I also wonder if the animal and insect populations, not to mention vegetation, should be considered. Is any living thing fair game in reincarnation?
 
Thom18 said:
That’s a good question. I also wonder if the animal and insect populations, not to mention vegetation, should be considered. Is any living thing fair game in reincarnation?
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Depends upon the version of reincarnation. Some hold that animals and plants are involved, others limit it to human-life only.

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Jesus never taught Reincarnation! “To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.”

No one comes back as another person or animal…after death it’s Heaven, hell, or Purgatory!
 
mVitus said:
The human population of the world is growing. There are also times when it shrinks a little. So do reincarnationists believe more human souls are being created when the population grows? That human souls are “put on hold” when it shrinks? (Or that those are times people “break out” of the reincarnation cycle.) Or something else?
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Hello mVitus,
I believe in a version of reincarnation as outlined in the Edgar Cayce material. We are souls who have the ability to enter into material bodies. There is sort of like a police force on planet earth to prevent our souls from entering animals so in that sense we could be called human souls. There are other types of souls which enter into animals. In the version of reincarnation he provided no new souls are being created. Only one soul can enter a material body so I guess when there is a population decline you could say we are put on hold. Souls break out of the reincarnation cycle when they no longer have a desire to incarnate.
 
superwimp said:
Hello mVitus,
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 I believe in a version of reincarnation as outlined in the Edgar Cayce material.  We are souls who have the ability to enter into material bodies.  There is sort of like a police force on planet earth to prevent our souls from entering animals so in that sense we could be called human souls.  There are other types of souls which enter into animals.  In the version of reincarnation he provided no new souls are being created.   Only one soul can enter a material body so I guess when there is a population decline you could say we are put on hold.  Souls break out of the reincarnation cycle when they no longer have a desire to incarnate.
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Forget Edgar Cayce…what does the Bible say?

Answer : Nothing…it’s not in there!
 
Here’s an article I found the Guardian on this topic. (Note I’m neither a Buddhist or particularly knowledgable about Buddhism).

The most salient point of the author is that wondering about things like conversation of the number of souls “isn’t in the spirit of Buddhism”. Almost as if he’s say asking that sort question is missing the point.

That’s just Buddhism of course; no comment on other belief systems.
 
@truetofaith, considering this is a Catholic forum, I’m pretty we all know the Church’s stance on this topic. Doesn’t mean we can’t be curious on what beliefs surround reincarnation.
superwimp said:
Hello mVitus,
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 I believe in a version of reincarnation as outlined in the Edgar Cayce material.  We are souls who have the ability to enter into material bodies.  There is sort of like a police force on planet earth to prevent our souls from entering animals so in that sense we could be called human souls.  There are other types of souls which enter into animals.  In the version of reincarnation he provided no new souls are being created.   Only one soul can enter a material body so I guess when there is a population decline you could say we are put on hold.  Souls break out of the reincarnation cycle when they no longer have a desire to incarnate.
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Thanks for your answer. Now while you did address the population decline and idea of specifically human souls, I didn’t see anything about when the population increases. So if I missed it, could you please re-explain?
 
@carefullytread, thanks for the article. It was interesting, also very confusing, but interesting.
 
mVitus said:
@truetofaith,

Thanks for your answer. Now while you did address the population decline and idea of specifically human souls, I didn’t see anything about when the population increases. So if I missed it, could you please re-explain?
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According to the EC material there are no knew souls being created. There are plenty to handle any population increase.
 
mVitus said:
@truetofaith, considering this is a Catholic forum, I’m pretty we all know the Church’s stance on this topic. Doesn’t mean we can’t be curious on what beliefs surround reincarnation.
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Curiosity is what caused the fall of Adam & Eve… If Jesus didn’t teach reincarnation…why bother talking about it? It can only lead to more confusion and departure from the Truth!
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truetofaith said:
mVitus;14884224 said:
@truetofaith, considering this is a Catholic
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forum, I’m pretty we all know the Church’s stance on this topic. Doesn’t mean we can’t be curious on what beliefs surround reincarnation.
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Curiosity is what caused the fall of Adam & Eve… If Jesus didn’t teach reincarnation…why bother talking about it? It can only lead to more confusion and departure from the Truth!

Actually with regards to the afterlife based on the writings we have there is no record of him teaching any version of the afterlife. There are a few parables on the kingdom of heaven. There is his statement that John was a reincarnation of Elijah which was conveniently interpreted as the spirit and power of Elijah. We have some of his apostles asking him questions about reincarnation and karma in the instance when a person was born blind.
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superwimp said:
truetofaith;14885480:
Actually with regards to the afterlife based on the writings we have there is no record of him teaching any version of the afterlife. There are a few parables on the kingdom of heaven. There is his statement that John was a reincarnation of Elijah which was conveniently interpreted as the spirit and power of Elijah. We have some of his apostles asking him questions about reincarnation and karma in the instance when a person was born blind.
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Do you believe Jesus has been reincarnated as someone living now? Maybe, Pres. Trump! 😉
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Hindu reincarnation is not simply coming back to Earth as another human or animals. Hindus have a vast cosmology encompassing multiple levels of heaven and hell into which one can be reincarnated:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven#Hinduism

So after this life, you could be reincarnated into one of their 28 levels of hell for several million years, then get another chance at life on Earth, or maybe just move up one level in hell.

Or you might be reincarnated as a god in one of their heavens and enjoy the pleasures there for a few million years, only to wind up back on Earth.

Buddhists believe the same thing:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology
 
PluniaZ said:
Hindu reincarnation is not simply coming back to Earth as another human or animals. Hindus have a vast cosmology encompassing multiple levels of heaven and hell into which one can be reincarnated:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven#Hinduism

So after this life, you could be reincarnated into one of their 28 levels of hell for several million years, then get another chance at life on Earth, or maybe just move up one level in hell.

Or you might be reincarnated as a god in one of their heavens and enjoy the pleasures there for a few million years, only to wind up back on Earth.

Buddhists believe the same thing:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology
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This is definitely not in my Bible! :eek:
 
truetofaith said:
This is definitely not in my Bible! :eek:
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I would be worried if it was. 😛

@Super Wimp, concerning Jesus, going off the top of my head I seem to recall Him mentioning “eternal” in regards to the afterlife, not to mention the Jewish tradition of no reincarnation.

PluniaZ, thanks for the links. Wikipedia is a large resource I forgot to check.
 
mVitus said:
The human population of the world is growing. There are also times when it shrinks a little. So do reincarnationists believe more human souls are being created when the population grows? That human souls are “put on hold” when it shrinks? (Or that those are times people “break out” of the reincarnation cycle.) Or something else?
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Some believe that more souls are being created, which I guess I would tend to agree with in a way. I’m a Gnostic, and as such, I see us all as emanations of God – sparks of the Divine Light. Since God is infinite, there’s plenty of Him to go around when the population booms! That spark, though, is our spirit; whereas the individual soul is sort of the intermediary between body and spirit.

There are others who believe that souls can basically split, and may be incarnated into two or three bodies at the same time. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist who did extensive past life regression research for many years, wrote about this in his books. I’m not sure if I agree or disagree with it. I see where he was going with it, but he seems to identify the spirit and the soul as the same thing. So I guess I agree with him with qualifications.
 
mVitus said:
The human population of the world is growing. There are also times when it shrinks a little. So do reincarnationists believe more human souls are being created when the population grows? That human souls are “put on hold” when it shrinks? (Or that those are times people “break out” of the reincarnation cycle.) Or something else?
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In the Buddhist version, people may be reincarnated in one of the (plural and temporary) heavens, in one of the (plural and temporary) hells, as an animal or on another physical/material planet in the universe. Life in Buddhism is not confined to a single planet.

Hence, the number of reincarnating entities is not limited to just the human population of Earth.

The number of “souls” is always zero. Buddhism denies the existence of a “soul”.

The only way to break out of the cycle is to attain nirvana. The enlightened are not reincarnated.

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