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They all died out because of the flood and we are all descendant of Noah.
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twf
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While some have questioned, on this thread, whether or not it is possible for angels to breed with humans, I understand that several of the Fathers subscribed to this interpretation. It would explain why it was such an abomination to God. It is also interesting that the Septuagint translates ‘sons of God’ as ‘angels of God’…so clearly the translators interpreted the passage in this way.
How would this be possible? I don’t know. We do know that angels can take human form. Is it possible that they, in a material form, could reproduce with humans? This interpretation also fits well, in my opinion, with Jude. We know that demons, who we assume to be fallen angels, are roaming about the earth causing trouble. Yet Jude tells us that there are angels ‘who kept not their first estate’ who are chained. The context could suggest that the sin of these angels was have been unnatural lusts.
How would this be possible? I don’t know. We do know that angels can take human form. Is it possible that they, in a material form, could reproduce with humans? This interpretation also fits well, in my opinion, with Jude. We know that demons, who we assume to be fallen angels, are roaming about the earth causing trouble. Yet Jude tells us that there are angels ‘who kept not their first estate’ who are chained. The context could suggest that the sin of these angels was have been unnatural lusts.
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There is a parallell with the passage that describes the line of Cain with the seventh in line Lamech who was the first polygamist. The theme of the passage is to convey the increasing sin in man. Note that Lamech is seventh in Cain’s line and Enoch is seventh in Adam’s The picture is clear. Then in ch:6 notice the number 6. Anyway, the sons of God are definitely sons of Adam since he is the image of God along with his son Seth. The passage suggests a spiritual element in mentioning the daughters of men. Remember the several times the Israelites were seduced by women and the implication that witchcraft is employed through Balaam who taught them how to do it. The passage in Genesis implies this element when it mentions the daughters of men and I believe that’s the reason the Nephilim are mentioned as well. I think they are the imitation of the first born offered to Yahweh but offered to Baal or equivilent the god of of the daughters of men, who are the first manifestation of the whore of babylon. This is as bad as it gets folks. NOT. Look around. The author is communicating that the son’s of Adam were seduced by the daughters of men who used the manipulative powers of demons to tempt them into participating in the polygamy of Cain’s line. I would add just for interest that the prophecy of the woman’s seed crushing the serpents head is the reason for the demonic focus on corrupting women and with them defiling men. But at the heart of this scene is Satan’s hatred for Mary. There are echos of this throughout history, the biblical events mentioned as well as the cultures that have had virgin sacrifices as a means of sacrificial offering to their gods ie; Also a practice of Montezuma who was waiting for Quetzaquatle the great white god who civilized the mayans and is the spiritual light behind the south american cities of gold, and incidentally Quetzaquatle is also regarded by Mormons to be christ when he appeared there. anyone note the polygamy connection? same demons. Another curiosity: the ancient aztec prophets predicted to the day when Quetzaquatle would return, he would return via the sea floating on a leaf. Montezuma was waiting for him on the day cortez arrived on sailing ships. Today’s equivilent of polygamy and virgin sacrifices is child molestation and divorce and remarriage Same demons. uncanny connections eh?
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Tom_of_Assisi
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Maybe demons could take posesion of people and then the possessed people could have sex???
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That is an amazing post. :clapping: Do you have any on-line sources or books that would tie into this line of thinking also?
thanks
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oat_soda
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i’m not following your logic. you’re jumping around a lot and i can’t make any sense out of it. i feel like i’m taking crazy pills when i read your post.
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oat soda:
Try rereading the post. Have a dictionary on hand if it helps.
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Well…like Nabokov explained: “You cannot really read; you can only really reread.”
Try rereading the post. Have a dictionary on hand if it helps.
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Benadam
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Tom of Assisi:
I’m sorry I don’t have any online sources. I learned about Quetzacoatle at the visitor center when I went to the Mormon temple about 20 years ago, that you can find online. I’m sure the prediction of Quetzacoatles return coinciding with the arrival of Cortez is available too. I found this stuff around 20 years ago before I returned to the Church it was just an oddity then but now I see what’s happening, Cortez thinking He’s bringing the Faith when the best he could do was bring the bricks and mortar, and Our Lady of Guadalupe doing the actual converting. Maybe she had to get there before Smith eh? As far as the rest of it they are connections I’ve made in my prayer life and reading Scriptures. Oh, I made 1 liitle error in that post, Lamech isn’t 7th down from Cain he’s 5th. But that’s cool because now it leads to other connections because of Rev’s 5 have already gone 1 is here now 1 is yet to come and he is going to his destruction. Wher is Abel? hehe
Thanks again.
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I’m sorry I don’t have any online sources. I learned about Quetzacoatle at the visitor center when I went to the Mormon temple about 20 years ago, that you can find online. I’m sure the prediction of Quetzacoatles return coinciding with the arrival of Cortez is available too. I found this stuff around 20 years ago before I returned to the Church it was just an oddity then but now I see what’s happening, Cortez thinking He’s bringing the Faith when the best he could do was bring the bricks and mortar, and Our Lady of Guadalupe doing the actual converting. Maybe she had to get there before Smith eh? As far as the rest of it they are connections I’ve made in my prayer life and reading Scriptures. Oh, I made 1 liitle error in that post, Lamech isn’t 7th down from Cain he’s 5th. But that’s cool because now it leads to other connections because of Rev’s 5 have already gone 1 is here now 1 is yet to come and he is going to his destruction. Wher is Abel? heheThanks again.
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Dj Roy Albert said:Genesis Chapter 6:1-4 1 When men began to multiply on earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said: “My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.” 4 At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Angels or aliens??
Them crazy Bible Code people love this one.
Nephilim means either “fallen ones” or “untimely birth”.
There are a few passages in the book of Joshua that refer to the descendents of Anak who was supposed to be a giant or a very strong & tall warrior.
I briefly reseached this & found that Gilgamesh was also said to be a giant. A find it all to be quite funny.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is, perhaps, the oldest written story. It
comes to us from Ancient Sumeria, and was originally written on 12 clay tablets in cunieform script. It is about the adventures of the historical King of Uruk (somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BCE). Within the first tablet it reads :“He (Gilgamesh) saw the Secret, discovered the Hidden,he brought information of (the time) before the Flood.” Gilgamesh is two thirds god and one third man.
Oral stories of giant kings are seen even among the native Indians (Aymara) looking for gold in Peru.Philo, a Jew who lived in Alexandria from 20 BC to the beginning of the Jewish wars in 66 wrote, “He utters no fable whatsoever respecting the giants; but he (God) wishes to set this fact before your eyes, that some men are born of the earth, and some are born of heaven, and some are born of God: those are born of the earth who are
hunters after the pleasures of the body.Josephus, the jewish historian wrote:”“For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from
other men, that they were surprising to the site, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men.”- Antiquities of the Jews, Book V, Chapter 2, Section 3
The ancient Near East, the Americas, Africa, Asia and Australia, and Europe in particular all have stories of abnormally large humans of various sizes.
Flood stories are found in every corner of the planet, and many similarities are
connected with them. They often refer to giants or ancient humanities, divine incarnations – even monsters.
In his article “The Discovery of fossil vertebrates in North America”
(Journal of Paleontology, 1943), George Gaylord Simpson writes of a letter
dated August 22, 1762, from James Wright to John Bartram. It tells of
mammoth remains and relates an Indian legend of giant men:
“The bones were of enormous size and were accompanied by tusks ten or twelve
feet long. No such creatures as these had ever been seen alive by the
Indians, but legend said they had once been hunted through the forests by
men of gigantic stature and that when the last of these men had died, God
had destroyed their mighty prey in order to protect the present race of
Indians.”
Stories of giants are found on the west side of the Atlantic. From the
Iroquois Nation of the East to the Rocky Mountains and Pacific Northwest,
tales of giants are found in almost every Native American culture. According
to legends of the Oglala Sioux giant white men lived in the northern areas.
(Black Elk Speaks, John G. Neihardt, 1932) In Sketches of Ancient History of
the Six Nations, David Cusick writes that “.after a time some of the people
become giants and committed outrages upon the inhabitants”. A tribe of
giants whose origin was in the north and of considerable population,
launched raids against the Eagwehowe (original people), typically to
pillage.
Stories and legends of giants are relegated to tales of mythical times. Yet, as settlers moved across the Appalacians into the Ohio Valley evidence of their existence became apparent. As farmers cleared the land to plant their crop, they encountered burial mounds of which comtemporary natives knew nothing about. Some of these mounds entombed the remains of giant men.
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Dj Roy Albert said:Genesis Chapter 6:1-4 1 When men began to multiply on earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said: “My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.” 4 At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Angels or aliens??
Them crazy Bible Code people love this one.
Nephilim means either “fallen ones” or “untimely birth”.
There are a few passages in the book of Joshua that refer to the descendents of Anak who was supposed to be a giant or a very strong & tall warrior.
I briefly reseached this & found that Gilgamesh was also said to be a giant. A find it all to be quite funny.
I also recently read a passage in genesis that mentions giants (same one I assume). The “giants” were the early children of Adam and Eve as it is said humans were taller, stronger, more healthy, and thus lived for centuries, giants compared to humans today…
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There is a group who follow a prophet and they teach and believe that Cain was not Adam’s son at all, but the son of the serpent. They believe the serpent was once an upright human like beast and that the fall was adultery between Eve and the precursed serpent. The scriptures they use are:
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
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1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.
They insist that the first verse proves that Cain was not in Adam’s lineage (since he is not numbered in the 7) and that the second vs. proves that he was the literal seed of the serpent.
I do not believe this, but how would a Catholic refute the above? They also believe that the sons of men are the descendants of Cain and the giants were from Cain’s female descendants marrying the male offspring of Adam.
Is there a Catholic doctrinal source which would explain why Cain is not named as one of Adam’s descendants? My guess is that when Cain was driven from Eden and left “the presence of the Lord” he was about as “disowned” as a person can get! Any other ideas?
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
and
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.
They insist that the first verse proves that Cain was not in Adam’s lineage (since he is not numbered in the 7) and that the second vs. proves that he was the literal seed of the serpent.
I do not believe this, but how would a Catholic refute the above? They also believe that the sons of men are the descendants of Cain and the giants were from Cain’s female descendants marrying the male offspring of Adam.
Is there a Catholic doctrinal source which would explain why Cain is not named as one of Adam’s descendants? My guess is that when Cain was driven from Eden and left “the presence of the Lord” he was about as “disowned” as a person can get! Any other ideas?
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Benadam
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1 And Adam knew Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain,
saying: I have gotten a man through God.
It’s plain that Cain is fathered by Adam according to the flesh.
The statement made by Caine’s mother at his birth reveals why he is of the wicked one.
Compare with what she say’s when Seth is born.
25 Adam also knew his wife again: and she brought forth a son, and called his name Seth, saying: God hath given me another seed, for Abel whom Cain slew.
The meaning of God and man is summed up in these two statements and forms the meaning of and relation to God these two lines envision.
The people who say " I have gotten" ie; daughters of men
oppose the people who say “God has given” ie sons of God
Cain becomes the father of the people that directly opposes the decendants of Adam who are the inheritors of the image of God on earth as Genesis 5 implies when it restates the truth’s of man’s meaning as God spoke it. Created in the image and likeness of God… re-established through Seth.
Gen 5
1 This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him to the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female; and blessed them: and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 **And **Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son to his own image and likeness, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam, after he begot Seth, were eight hundred years:
Although the Church doesn’t micromanage the enterpretation of scriptures I assure you the enterpretation you mentioned have no basis in Sacred Scripture and would be rejected by the Church without hesitation.
Cain was warned about the wicked one at his door tempting Him:
6 And the Lord said to him: Why art thou angry? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou do well, shalt thou not receive? but if ill, shall not sin forthwith be present at the door? but the lust thereof shall be under thee, and thou shalt have dominion over it. 8 And Cain said to Abel his brother: Let us go forth abroad.
In the passage above the wicked one is becoming the father of Cain and that becoming realized in the act of murder.
Only in the spiritual bond of obedience to the father of sin does Cain become the child of the ‘wicked one’.
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kaysette
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Great post. I never noticed the difference in the statement after Cain’s birth and after Seth’s birth.
Do you know of any other place in scripture where a child was skipped in the genealogy as was skipped in the case of Cain in Jude? I like your reply a lot, but would love to know if there are any other such examples.
Do you know of any other place in scripture where a child was skipped in the genealogy as was skipped in the case of Cain in Jude? I like your reply a lot, but would love to know if there are any other such examples.
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Benadam
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You’ll find the same dynamic echoed in the story of Noah’s son ham uncovering his father’s nakedness, which is known as a euphamism for someone sleeping with their father’s wife. Ham becomes the father of cainan who the cainanites decended from.
This I think was the last attempt to usurp a lineage. Subsequent occurances unfold as the younger sibling being favored over the elder sibling.
It is replayed again in the story of Esau giving away his birthright to Jacob and then not recieving the blessing intended for him from his dying father.
The theme is an undercurrent through out scriptures, and is a prophetic pattern that culminates in the confrontation between Christ and anti-christ.
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Nino
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yes many of the stories in the old testament are humorous.thats why Jesus came to explain God has more or a loving caring one not so viscious as depicted in the old…as to giants…back in the 19th century a huge hoax was thought up by a farmer in Cardiff NY…he carved a giant of sorts out of concrete,buried it and in the spring exposed it to view,called in the neighbors,starting charging money to view the old testament giant…made some good bucks…the Cardiff Giant hoax…since then we have had many…FDR declaring I will never send your boys to fight on foreign soil…Nixon: I aint no liar! Clinton: I never had sex with that girl in the oral office…oval!..Obama,I am a loving caring soul thats why I am for abortion on demand! etc etc…as to the old…many used think Joan of Arc was a relation of Noahs…on and on…now lets make fun of the NAACP and the ACLU…yeh sure…lets all wait for your lampoon on them!..want a tea bag…just pulled it out of Boston Harbor!
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juliamajor
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OK? What the hell is your point.?
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Dementia
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Nino you lost me big time on that post. You better send me some of the Boston Tea you mentioned so I can smoke it, maybe then I’ll be in a comprehending frame of mind! 
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The evidence for the giant theory is overwhelming. I am reading the 38 volume set of the Early Church Fathers. It says that up until the middle of the 4th century all the Fathers believed in the Giant theory. It was at the council of Nicaea that some church members decided the Church did not want this in the canon of Scripture. The Book of Enoch which was quoted by Jesus and Peter was all but destroyed . In the 1800’s a Scottish theologian by the name of Bruce hunted down 3 remaining copies in Ethiopia and had the book reprinted. Read the book that was known and cherished by Jesus and the Apostles and was carried by Paul everywhere he went and decide for yourselves.Genesis Chapter 6:1-4 1 When men began to multiply on earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said: “My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.” 4 At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Angels or aliens??
Them crazy Bible Code people love this one.
Nephilim means either “fallen ones” or “untimely birth”.
There are a few passages in the book of Joshua that refer to the descendents of Anak who was supposed to be a giant or a very strong & tall warrior.
I briefly reseached this & found that Gilgamesh was also said to be a giant. A find it all to be quite funny.
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Nino
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It took courage to toss that tea in …thats why the colonists had to wear disguises…I live in a town that takes great pride in Culpa Junior…Washingtons most successful spy…and his diary notes how dangerous it was…in fact the truth about him did not come out till the 1920s…so its trendy to lampoon the founders. I also knew Matt Cvetic…he it was who for awhile became famous with the show…I was a communist for the FBI…he told me for those 9 years he could not tell his wife,parents or friends what he was doing and it was one long hell, I have a letter from him just three weeks before he was murdered …in fact he was murdered by the tolerant ones the same week that M.Monroe was found dead…no connection I am sure but the controlled media gave all of its coverage to the star and none to Matt!.. Giants meant brave men and women. we have some today but they are black listed by the ruling class.I brought in the hoax bit on the giant upstate NY because we are subjected to so many…the nonsense about the turning of the century and how all of the worlds computers were going bonkers…that never happened…the recent swineflu joke…earth warming etc etc…we are being conditioned to react just like pavlovs mutts…on cue and dont ask questions. lets forget that for a moment and try and contact all who are involved with the NDame demos…a perfect occasion for the agent provocteture…I was in anti-aborttion,anti-UN…anti-no win wars demos years ago…we were tightly trained in how to behave…but each time outside agents came in and disrupted our demos…this may well happen at NDame and maybe even more of a tragedy is planned…so if you know of anyone taking part,contact them to have each member of their group sign a statement as to what they plan to do and thats it…then its up to God that it ends in a peaceful manner…sad how Rudy the star of the movie and play is so silent.
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