A race of giants in the Bible

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The Book of Jubilees 5:1-6

1 And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the angels of God saw them on a certain year of this jubilee, that they were beautiful to look upon; and they took themselves wives of all whom they
2 chose, and they bare unto them sons and they were giants. And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, alike men and cattle and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth -all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men
3 (was) thus evil continually. And God looked upon the earth, and behold it was corrupt, and all flesh had corrupted its orders, and all that were upon the earth had wrought all manner of evil
4 before His eyes. And He said that He would destroy man and all flesh upon the face of the earth
5,6 which He had created.

The Book of Jubilees 7:21-24

21 from fornication and uncleanness and all iniquity. For owing to these three things came the flood upon the earth, namely, owing to the fornication wherein the Watchers against the law of their ordinances went a whoring after the daughters of men, and took themselves wives of all which they
22 chose: and they made the beginning of uncleanness. And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all unlike, and they devoured one another: and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the
23 Naphil slew the Eljo, and the Eljo mankind, and one man another. And every one sold himself
24 to work iniquity and to shed much blood, and the earth was filled with iniquity.

The Book of Jubilees 20:5-6

5 the land. And he told them of the judgment of the giants, and the judgment of the Sodomites, how they had been judged on account of their wickedness, and had died on account of their fornication, and uncleanness, and mutual corruption through fornication.

6 'And guard yourselves from all fornication and uncleanness,
And from all pollution of sin,

Lest ye make our name a curse,
And your whole life a hissing,

And all your sons to be destroyed by the sword,
And ye become accursed like Sodom,
And all your remnant as the sons of Gomorrah.

The Book of Jubilees 29:9-12

9But before they used to call the land of Gilead the land of the Rephaim; for it was the land of the Rephaim, and the Rephaim were born (there), giants whose height was ten, nine, eight down to
10 seven cubits. And their habitation was from the land of the children of Ammon to Mount Hermon,
11 and the seats of their kingdom were Karnaim and Ashtaroth, and Edrei, and Misur, and Beon. And the Lord destroyed them because of the evil of their deeds; for they were very malignant, and the Amorites dwelt in their stead, wicked and sinful, and there is no people to-day which has wrought
12 to the full all their sins, and they have no longer length of life on the earth.

Demonology of The Book of Jubilees:

Demonology. The demonology of our author reappears for the most part in the New Testament:

(a) The angels which kept not their first estate, Jude 6 ; 2 Peter ii. 4, are the angelic watchers who, though sent down to instruct mankind (Jub. iv. 15), fell from lusting after the daughters of men. Their fall and punishment are recorded in Jub. iv. 22, v.1-9.

(b) The demons are the spirits which went forth from the souls of the giants who were the children of the fallen angels, Jub. v. 7, 9. These demons attacked men and ruled over them (x. 3, 6). Their purpose is to corrupt and lead astray and destroy the wicked (x. 8). They are subject to the prince Mastema (x. 9), or Satan. Men sacrifice to them as gods (xxii. 17). They are to pursue their work of moral ruin till the judgement of Mastema (x. 8) or the setting up of the Messianic kingdom, when Satan will be no longer able to injure mankind (xxiii. 29).

So in the New Testament, the demons are disembodied spirits (Matt. xii. 43-5; Luke xi. 24-6). Their chief is Satan (Mark iii. 22). They are treated as divinities of the heathen (I Cor. x. 20). They are not to be punished till the final judgement (Matt. viii. 29). On the advent of the Millennium Satan will be bound (Rev. xx. 2-3).
 
The Book of Enoch 6,7

[Chapter 6]

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.’ And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

[Chapter 7]

1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
 
The Book of Enoch:

[Chapter 9]

1 And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being 2 shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: ‘The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven. 3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, “Bring our cause 4 before the Most High.”’ And they said to the Lord of the ages: ‘Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the 5 ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all 6 things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which 7 men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the 9 women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have 10 borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are 11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.’

[Chapter 15]

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: “You should intercede” for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

[Chapter 16]

1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement -thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be 2 consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated." And now as to the watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say 3 to them): “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.” 4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."’

[Chapter 106]

And I, Enoch, answered and said unto him: 'The Lord will do a new thing on the earth, and this I have already seen in a vision, and make known to thee that in the generation of my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed the word of the Lord. And behold they commit sin and transgress the law, and have united themselves with women and commit sin with them, and have married some of them, and have begot children by them. And they shall produce on the earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh, and there shall be a great punishment on the earth, and the earth shall be cleansed from all impurity. Yea, there shall come a great destruction over the whole earth, and there shall be a deluge and 16 a great destruction for one year.
 
I don’t want to start a fire on this issue, but I think we can argue till the end of our life time and cite all kind of scriptural passages will never answer the question of who were this race of giants in the bible. I’m sorry my brain is not very good in remembering numbers, verses or names of books I read, but I can remember to apply them in few conversation. Probably there were really no race of giants, but rather an allegorical statement presented by the author. You know those writers in the Old Testament they write something, but mean another thing. We should get used to the idea that the bible was written by a person with eastern mentality, applying it to their time for a very specific purpose. The common mistake is we try to read the bible and interpret it using our western mentality. I’m not saying that you are wrong, it’s just that there might be other meaning to this passage. Theology as far as I know is not a fix science and there’s no wrong interpretation. Everything is correct based on your understanding. Here’s another mind bugging idea presented by two theologians (I’ll not mention their names, but they are catholics and have a time with EWTN). They said that the “sons of god and the daughters of men (I hope I did not reverse them)” according to the Targum, the sons of god were the descendants of Seth and the daughters of men were the descendants of Cain. Their intermarriage produced a very sinful generation including these giant like people called Niphilim. You know the rest of the story, flood happened. New story will begin with Noah and his family. Is this true? The bible is a book of faith. My faith is telling me this event happened. I may not fully understand what the writer was saying, but I trust the words of God.
 
I just find the topic interesting.

I am open to believing in things in the Bible that may seem unbelievable. I figure everything will be worked out when I get to heaven when it comes to how things went down in history.
 
AMEN. Sometimes I wonder why God did not inspired the writer to write in a very simple word. There might be a reason. Probably God want to tell us that public revelation did not end with the death of the last apostle, but rather revelation is an ongoing process - that everytime we read the bible we find new meanings to God’s word. Don’t get me wrong, this is my personal opinion. The reason why I said this, different religious denominations has proliferated or multiplied like mushrooms after the reformation. Each claiming that their interpretation of the scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The protestant denomination is now over 30,000 in number because they cannot agree with each other and kept on splitting. Steve Ray a theologian said that if each of them claim true inspiration by the Holy Spirit, then the Holy Spirit must be so confused to give different inspiration to each of them. Or there’s something wrong with methodology of interpreting the scripture. I think Jesus want to test our faithfulness to Him - if we will stick to the teachings of His true church - the “CATHOLIC CHURCH” Jesus founded (per the early Church Fathers). I know some Protestant will disagree with me. Did I went out of topic? We were talking about the giants in the bible. My point is, everyone see a different meaning on what they are reading because we are limited by our human capability. Even during the time of Jesus His Apostles can"t fully understand Jesus words. We are no different then and now. What we need is “faith and trust in God”.
 
firstmode:
I am open to believing in things in the Bible that may seem unbelievable
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Your quotes are not from the Bible but from apocryphal books. Thank God the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church to know which books to include in the Bible, and which to exclude.
 
Lol I misread the title, thought this was about porn. Ts is fail.
You know what, this thread is now about porn. Asian porn.
 
Is there a Catholic doctrinal source which would explain why Cain is not named as one of Adam’s descendants? My guess is that when Cain was driven from Eden and left “the presence of the Lord” he was about as “disowned” as a person can get! Any other ideas?
Reasons for and against including a person in a geneology has more to do with culture.Geneologies were often ‘telescoped’ narrowed in view often including famous, renowed, and excluded the infamous.Like geneologies now-people will tell you all about their ancestors who were kings,saints and heroes and be a little more reticent talking about loony great- great aunt Harriet or the horse thief-great grandfather Amory!
Who is important in the lineage? Who defines the’quality’ of a line? You always put your best foot forward in geneologies and never air dirty familial laundry.👍
 
herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Genesis-6-Sons-of-God

There has been much speculation about who these “sons of God” mentioned in the sixth chapter of Genesis were. Three basic interpretations of this passage have been advanced.
The first, and oldest, belief is that “the sons of God” were fallen angels who consorted with human women, producing giant offspring called nephilim (Heb. נפלים). This view was widely held in the world of the first century, and was supported by Flavius Josephus, Philo, Eusebius and many of the “Ante-Nicene Fathers,” including Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras and Commodianus.

The second view is one which was first suggested by Julius Africanus and later advocated by Saint Augustine, the Catholic Bishop of Hippo. Augustine rejected the concept of the fallen host having committed fornication with women. In his early fifth century book The City of God, he promoted the theory that “the sons of God” simply referred to the genealogical line of Seth, who were committed to preserving the true worship of God. He interpreted Genesis 6 to mean that the male offspring of Adam through Seth were “the sons of God,” and the female offspring of Adam through Cain were “the daughters of men.” He wrote that the problem was that the family of Seth had interbred with the family of Cain, intermingling the bloodlines and corrupting the pure religion. This view has become the dominant one among most modern biblical scholars.

The third view is that “the sons of God” were the sons of pre-Flood rulers or magistrates. This belief became the standard explanation of rabbinical Judaism after Rabbi Simeon ben Yochai pronounced a curse in the second century CE upon those Jews who believed the common teaching that the angels were responsible for the nephilim. This interpretation was advocated by two of the most respected Jewish sages of the Middle Ages, Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki (Rashi) and Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman (Nachmanides), and became the standard explanation of rabbinical Judaism. However, it is not widely accepted by modern scholars.
 
I support the second view. Nephilim is the plural of the Hebrew word naphal which means the fallen race. Cain’s line is the fallen race (daughters of men" and Seth’s line are the sons of God). Please check Jeff Cavins’ “Bible Timeline” audio or video the early world.
 
Dj_Roy_Albert said:
Genesis Chapter 6:1-4 1 When men began to multiply on earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said: “My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.” 4 At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Angels or aliens??:hmmm:
Them crazy Bible Code people love this one.:rotfl:

Nephilim means either “fallen ones” or “untimely birth”.
There are a few passages in the book of Joshua that refer to the descendents of Anak who was supposed to be a giant or a very strong & tall warrior.

I briefly reseached this & found that Gilgamesh was also said to be a giant. A find it all to be quite funny.
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The sons of God are the the righteous men descended from Abel, and the sinful men were the sons of men, descended from Cain.

Jesus said : In the Resurrection, there is no marriage-men are like the angels.
(Angels do not have sex-therefore, the sons of God were not angels.)
 
GilKobrin said:
“Nephilim” - or נפילים - does not refer to angles or to giants, but to princes who had become corrupted with immorality, and “fell” from their social caste by engaging in relations with women from the servant caste.
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The RSV explains that these men were “mighty men, men of renown.” Sons of Seth’s descendants (righteous sons of God) rebelled and “married” the daughters of Cain’s descendants (pagans such as the Philistines). I agree that it has nothing to do with their body size. They are also not angels since angels cannot procreate.

Even the Antichrist will be human, born of human parents. He will become possessed by Satan.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

If Satan could be the Antichrist and oppose God/Christ all by himself (without operating through a human being) he certainly would.
 
jeffreedy789 said:
i can see how someone could interpret it that way, except for that little phrase ‘they were men of reknown, heroes of old’. that bit makes no sense in a metaphorical explanation.

i hold to the view of relations between the fallen angels and the humans, myself.
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They were mighty men, men of renown, because they had the favor of God’s blessings upon them. They prospered “mightily” with God’s blessings and were “renowned” by all because people could see that they were blessed. The pagans could also see this even if they did not know or understand the reason why these favored ones had so much more than they did.
 
twf said:
While some have questioned, on this thread, whether or not it is possible for angels to breed with humans, I understand that several of the Fathers subscribed to this interpretation. It would explain why it was such an abomination to God. It is also interesting that the Septuagint translates ‘sons of God’ as ‘angels of God’…so clearly the translators interpreted the passage in this way.

How would this be possible? I don’t know. We do know that angels can take human form. Is it possible that they, in a material form, could reproduce with humans? This interpretation also fits well, in my opinion, with Jude. We know that demons, who we assume to be fallen angels, are roaming about the earth causing trouble. Yet Jude tells us that there are angels ‘who kept not their first estate’ who are chained. The context could suggest that the sin of these angels was have been unnatural lusts.
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Jude1:6 RSV-CE
And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day;

These angels rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven. This happened a long time before there were ever human beings on earth, otherwise Satan could not have been in the Garden of Eden and tempt Adam and Eve.

The “nether gloom” most likely means anywhere in the universe besides heaven since heaven is “eternal light.” In other words, they cannot enter the eternal light of heaven ever again, except on Judgment Day. These chains are symbolic of their loss of holiness and also their diminished powers.

Revelation 12:3-5
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads.
4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth;
5 she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

One third of the angels in heaven followed Satan and rebelled against God. They were thrown down to the earth (part of the nether gloom). Anything not in eternal light is in nether gloom.

Colossians 1:16
for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities – all things were created through him and for him.

Paul is speaking of some of the different choirs of angels.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

This nether gloom includes the heavenly places (the universe, firmament, heavens) but none of these heavenly places are where the throne of God is. He dwells in a place called heaven, however.

John 6:51
(Jesus states) I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
 
Zulu_King said:
I also recently read a passage in genesis that mentions giants (same one I assume). The “giants” were the early children of Adam and Eve as it is said humans were taller, stronger, more healthy, and thus lived for centuries, giants compared to humans today…
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No pollution! No food additives. 😃
 
brotherrolf said:
The evidence for the giant theory is overwhelming. I am reading the 38 volume set of the Early Church Fathers. It says that up until the middle of the 4th century all the Fathers believed in the Giant theory. It was at the council of Nicaea that some church members decided the Church did not want this in the canon of Scripture. The Book of Enoch which was quoted by Jesus and Peter was all but destroyed . In the 1800’s a Scottish theologian by the name of Bruce hunted down 3 remaining copies in Ethiopia and had the book reprinted. Read the book that was known and cherished by Jesus and the Apostles and was carried by Paul everywhere he went and decide for yourselves.
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I did not see in Scripture that Paul carried the Book(s) of Enoch with him everywhere he went. There were actually three purported books of Enoch and all of them were written a long time after Enoch walked with God in the year 3013 BC.
According to Western scholars its older sections [of 1 Enoch] (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) date from about 300 BCE and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BCE;[4] it is argued that all the writers of the New Testament were familiar with it and were influenced by it in thought and diction.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
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Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Paul states:

Titus 1:13-14
This testimony is true.** Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14 instead of giving heed to Jewish myths** or to commands of men who reject the truth.
 
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Brotherrolf: The Book of Enoch which was quoted by Jesus and Peter was all but destroyed.
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The Catholic Church did not destroy “all” the “known” copies of 1 Enoch!

The Jews had their own copies, but the finalized Judaic Canon (Bible of the Jewish faith) does not include 1 Enoch either so the Catholics are not alone in their rejection of this book. The Jews must not have thought it necessary to keep copies of this rejected book in their possession either.

Too bad there are now copies of it out there. People are easily confused and led astray by fables/myths.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings,
4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths.
 
LUKBAN said:
I don’t want to start a fire on this issue, but I think we can argue till the end of our life time and cite all kind of scriptural passages will never answer the question of who were this race of giants in the bible. I’m sorry my brain is not very good in remembering numbers, verses or names of books I read, but I can remember to apply them in few conversation. Probably there were really no race of giants, but rather an allegorical statement presented by the author. You know those writers in the Old Testament they write something, but mean another thing. We should get used to the idea that the bible was written by a person with eastern mentality, applying it to their time for a very specific purpose. The common mistake is we try to read the bible and interpret it using our western mentality. I’m not saying that you are wrong, it’s just that there might be other meaning to this passage. Theology as far as I know is not a fix science and there’s no wrong interpretation. Everything is correct based on your understanding. Here’s another mind bugging idea presented by two theologians (I’ll not mention their names, but they are catholics and have a time with EWTN). They said that the “sons of god and the daughters of men (I hope I did not reverse them)” according to the Targum, the sons of god were the descendants of Seth and the daughters of men were the descendants of Cain. Their intermarriage produced a very sinful generation including these giant like people called Niphilim. You know the rest of the story, flood happened. New story will begin with Noah and his family. Is this true? The bible is a book of faith. My faith is telling me this event happened. I may not fully understand what the writer was saying, but I trust the words of God.
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Amen brother. I think I know these two persons you mentioned from EWTN. Theology is a very dynamic science. As far as I’m concerned most scripture interpretation is right based on the background of the person interpreting it (as far as they are concerned they are correct). As a Catholic I base my understanding of the scripture on the Magisterium’s interpretation being the guardian of the truth. I did not join the CAF to debate nor argue with anybody nor to show my knowledge of the bible. My brain is poor in remembering books, chapters and verses of the bible. My understanding of God and my relationship with Him as a Catholic is based on my knowledge of the scripture, apostolic tradition and the magisterium. At the end when I face God I will surely answer for my actions if I made a mistake. For now I think we should follow/believe what our faith/church/religion is teaching us, but we also have the responsibility to seek for the truth - to me I already found it.
 
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