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Interesting. Can you give a reference for that Galilean claim?He was wrong to want the Church to establish his heliocentric theory as a Dogma of the Church.
A silly simple question on sexual orientation (re gay marriage)
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Sexual Orientation is NOT ireversalble. Many have overcome such a condition. MANY more live in chaste celebacy.
Godās words in Gen. 1: [27] "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. [28] And God blessed them, and God said to them, āBe fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.ā
Love and prayers friend,
Pat
I am sincerely sorry of you cannot accept it. BUT nevertheless it is Godās Plan, Godās Law, and Godās Will.
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Good questions for general discussion.
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StAnastasia
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True.
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StAnastasia
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in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Itās more complex than this, and less black-and-white than you would have it. I attnended a brilliant lecture at the American Scientific Affiliation conference two years ago, entitle āNeither male nor female he created them: theology and ethics of intersexed persons.ā
You wish. I canāt think in such a simplistic way when I look at a world as complex as ours.
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For example, XY females, who are genetically male but anatomically female, due to gestational hormonal insufficiency. Are they allowed to marry males? Or must they marry females? Or are they simply condemned to a life of celibacy?
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And can they enter the priesthood?
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StAnastasia
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Good question, to which I donāt know the answer. The Irish priest who married us said when he was in seminary they had to protect the ācanonical fingerā while playing rugby, because if they lost it through accident they couldnāt be ordained. Iāll ask him now whether that was a legend.
See āThe Priestly Phallus: A Study in Iconography,ā Mary Gordon, pep-web.org/toc.php?journal=sgs&volume=5&PHPSESSID=3egi0a721k1c9g6gbfmpj6vhd6#103
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While this is possible I would nevertheles ge grateful for your source information.
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I am on about 5 gay threads here. A Catholic poster cited the Bishopsā letter from 2006 (working on memory here) that addressed marriage, sexuality, and homosexuality especially. About three of us posters read it and commented on it. I donāt remember which thread it is inā¦While this is possible I would nevertheles ge grateful for your source information.
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Larkin,
I think youāre confusing the question of whether something is objectively sinful and whether a person can be held responsible. Peter Lorreās child murderer character in M claims that he is compelled to do what he does and canāt help it. If that were true of someone, then such a person might not be in a state of moral responsibility. But we would not say that what he did was not sinful.
This is the weakest argument that pro-gay folks use, and I donāt understand why they keep using it. Obviously there are all kinds of horrible things that people may have an āinnateā tendency to do, and this is not an argument in favor of these things being ānaturalā or OK.
The strength in the pro-gay argument is that consensual homosexual relationships clearly arenāt in the same category as these other things. But this is obscured when people focus on the question of whether people are āborn gayā or whether they can āhelpā doing what they do.
In short: yes, the Catholic Church recognizes that people are only guilty if they have a choice. But this isnāt an argument that supports a liberal view of homosexuality.
Edwin
I think youāre confusing the question of whether something is objectively sinful and whether a person can be held responsible. Peter Lorreās child murderer character in M claims that he is compelled to do what he does and canāt help it. If that were true of someone, then such a person might not be in a state of moral responsibility. But we would not say that what he did was not sinful.
This is the weakest argument that pro-gay folks use, and I donāt understand why they keep using it. Obviously there are all kinds of horrible things that people may have an āinnateā tendency to do, and this is not an argument in favor of these things being ānaturalā or OK.
The strength in the pro-gay argument is that consensual homosexual relationships clearly arenāt in the same category as these other things. But this is obscured when people focus on the question of whether people are āborn gayā or whether they can āhelpā doing what they do.
In short: yes, the Catholic Church recognizes that people are only guilty if they have a choice. But this isnāt an argument that supports a liberal view of homosexuality.
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I am not confused in this regard at all. And I am not trying to make an argument that homosexuality is moral. I think it is, but I am not here to argue THAT point. Besides, I was simply summarizing the point made by the Catholic Bishops.
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Right, but I think you are, as I said, confusing the question of objective sinfulness and subjective guilt.
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But the Catholic bishops presumably do not. So itās disingenuous to interpret their statements as if they do, isnāt it?
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I didnāt.
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Good post. Part of the goal is to find some example, some loophole that excuses certain behaviors. One of the biggest falsehoods being marketed today is that at least some people cannot control their own sexuality. The other issue being argued revolves around the idea that Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, are missing some information about this issue and need to be āset straight.ā
The Catholc Medical Association has stated homosexual persons are not born that way. However, I understand some homosexuals believe they are. All Catholics need to do is repeat the truth.
God bless,
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That is not what they say, and you are not in line with RCC teaching in this post.
Why do I know that, and you donāt?
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