A somewhat confusing Article of Faith

[CCC_107]

CCC 107 The inspired books teach the truth. “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”

Does this article of faith in the authoritative catechism really say that it has been discerned that it is God’s will that the truth is confided to the scriptures? Confiding means entrusting the truth to the scriptures, where it stays.

Catholic Sola Scriptura isn’t taught by the hierarchy, tradition and the rest if the catechism.

Is this article of faith wrong?

 

[Aloysium]

It seems to be saying basically that scripture is the revealed truth of God.
There is no mention of Sola Scripture.
Where my understanding and the teachings of the Church have parted in the past, I have ultimately been proven wrong.
So, I would not presume to say anything in the Catechism is wrong.

 

[CCC_107]

It seems to be saying basically that scripture is the revealed truth of God.
There is no mention of Sola Scripture.
Where my understanding and the teachings of the Church have parted in the past, I have ultimately been proven wrong.
So, I would not presume to say anything in the Catechism is wrong.

I am not presuming that this article is wrong. I wholeheartedly agree with it. Since it has been discerned and published as an article of faith that the truth is confided to the scriptures, then it must be.

Martin Luther was condemned for the same theology. Please explain.

 

[CB_Catholic]

CCC 107 The inspired books teach the truth. “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”

Does this article of faith in the authoritative catechism really say that it has been discerned that it is God’s will that the truth is confided to the scriptures? Confiding means entrusting the truth to the scriptures, where it stays.

Catholic Sola Scriptura isn’t taught by the hierarchy, tradition and the rest if the catechism.

Is this article of faith wrong?

No, it is not wrong. Truth is confided, but not confined to Sacred Scripture. Sacred Tradition also contains the truth, confided (entrusted) by God. No where does this passage say Sacred Scriptures alone contain the truth.

 

[CCC_107]

No, it is not wrong. Truth is confided, but not confined to Sacred Scripture. Sacred Tradition also contains the truth, confided (entrusted) by God. No where does this passage say Sacred Scriptures alone contain the truth.

Would you blabber, if I were to confide something to you? Remember that it has been discerned that it is God’s will that the truth is confided to scripture. You cannot possibly take this article of faith lightly!

 

[Richard_White]

Would you blabber, if I were to confide something to you? Remember that it has been discerned that it is God’s will that the truth is confided to scripture. You cannot possibly take this article of faith lightly!

I don’t really want to get involved in a theological debate with someone who is unfortunately probably not interested in actually learning the Truth, but rather just someone who wants to make trouble for us Catholics.

However, the particular article of faith that you are questioning in the CCC does NOT say anywhere that God has ordained that the Bible is the only medium of Truth to His people on earth. It is simply saying that the Bible is truly the Word of God and that therefore everything contained therein is the Truth and should be regarded as such without question.

Maybe you are confusing the “confide,” which means “entrust,” and “confine,” which means “limit.”

The fact of the matter is that God reveals Himself and His Truth through both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, not just one or the other.

May God bless you and keep you on the path of His Truth!

 

[Bonnie]

Confide has several meanings. In this context, the meaning is to entrust. God has given his Word to the Church for the Church to keep safe. Which the Church does.

That passage of the CCC simply says that Scripture contains truth, not that it is to be kept secret or that nothing else contains truth.

 

[CCC_107]

Confide has several meanings. In this context, the meaning is to entrust. God has given his Word to the Church for the Church to keep safe. Which the Church does.

That passage of the CCC simply says that Scripture contains truth, not that it is to be kept secret or that nothing else contains truth.

So when the article of faith states that the truth is confided to scripture, then it doesn’t really mean that?
Confide (archaic) means commit
wordwebonline.com/en/CONFIDE

Confer a trust upon: Commit your soul to the Lord
Surely in that context you would’t commit your soul elsewhere.

 

[CCC_107]

I don’t really want to get involved in a theological debate with someone who is unfortunately probably not interested in actually learning the Truth, but rather just someone who wants to make trouble for us Catholics.

However, the particular article of faith that you are questioning in the CCC does NOT say anywhere that God has ordained that the Bible is the only medium of Truth to His people on earth. It is simply saying that the Bible is truly the Word of God and that therefore everything contained therein is the Truth and should be regarded as such without question.

Maybe you are confusing the “confide,” which means “entrust,” and “confine,” which means “limit.”

The fact of the matter is that God reveals Himself and His Truth through both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, not just one or the other.

May God bless you and keep you on the path of His Truth!

That is an excellent explanation; which is that it is God’s will to ENTRUST the truth to the scriptures.
Does that mean that God entrusts the truth elsewhere? It seems rather specific to me. The must be a reason, why this is written. Can you assist?

 

[Beryllos]

Indeed, confided means entrusted (which I think of as deposited or stored for safekeeping). However, CCC 107 does not suggest that that entrustment is exclusive. God may reveal the same truth in other ways, as it pleases Him.

In CCC 107, the phrase “that truth” does not mean all truth, but rather “that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”

 

[CCC_107]

Indeed, confided means entrusted (which I think of as deposited or stored for safekeeping). However, CCC 107 does not suggest that that entrustment is exclusive. God may reveal the same truth in other ways, as it pleases Him.

In CCC 107, the phrase “that truth” does not mean all truth, but rather “that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”

If it is has been discerned that it is God’s will to keep His truth safe in the scriptures, then who am I to argue with that?

Can you divide the truth? If the truth which is necessary for salvation is in the scriptures, then that should be enough don’t you think?

 

[pianistclare]

If you had the opportunity to receive Jesus, personally, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, would you take it? Or would you say “nah, I’ll just read my Bible thanks”.

When Christ offers us His real presence, and a share in His life, ministry and good works, a chance to receive grace, shouldn’t we just say thank you Lord and do these things? When Christ gives you a child doesn’t a Christian thank God? Why do some people want pick and choose which gifts are Divine?
Why would we just walk away from what He asked us to do?
Just some things to think about.
I don’t expect an answer.

 

[CCC_107]

If you had the opportunity to receive Jesus, personally, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, would you take it? Or would you say “nah, I’ll just read my Bible thanks”.

When Christ offers us His real presence, and a share in His life, ministry and good works, a chance to receive grace, shouldn’t we just say thank you Lord and do these things? When Christ gives you a child doesn’t a Christian thank God? Why do some people want pick and choose which gifts are Divine?
Why would we just walk away from what He asked us to do?
Just some things to think about.
I don’t expect an answer.

I will go beyond your expectations and reply, by asking how is this relevant to CCC 107?

 

[CB_Catholic]

Would you blabber, if I were to confide something to you? Remember that it has been discerned that it is God’s will that the truth is confided to scripture. You cannot possibly take this article of faith lightly!

I do not take any article of faith lightly. But you are not willing to understand this one, even though it has been pointed out to you over and over again what it says. The problem is, you are promoting sola scriptura, which is NOT an article of the Catholic faith.

Sacred Tradition (which is NOT “traditions” of men), but part of Divine Revelation, handed down from the Apostles themselves , plus Holy Scriptures are what makes up the deposit of our faith, and what we believe is divinely revealed by the Holy Spirit, who promised to guide the Church throughout the ages and keep her free from error.

Here is something to ponder if you think we are wrong: The majority of Christians throughout history and the world are Catholic and Orthodox, who believe as Catholics do on the matter. The majority of Christians did not succumb to the "sola scriptura error. 1500 years before Luther came along, this is what was believed by all Christians everywhere, since the time of the Apostles, and it can be proven. Sola scriptura is a view of the minority of Christians in the world. The Holy Spirit did not suddenly change his mind after 1500 years and decide he was mistaken. Divine Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle.

The majority of Christians have and still do believe that the truth revealed by God is contained in both Scripture and Sacred Tradition. This is called the “fullness” of the truth. Those who do not have strayed from the fullness of truth.

 

[CCC_107]

I do not take any article of faith lightly. But you are not willing to understand this one, even though it has been pointed out to you over and over again what it says. The problem is, you are promoting sola scriptura, which is NOT an article of the Catholic faith.

Sacred Tradition (which is NOT “traditions” of men), but part of Divine Revelation, handed down from the Apostles themselves , plus Holy Scriptures are what makes up the deposit of our faith, and what we believe is divinely revealed by the Holy Spirit, who promised to guide the Church throughout the ages and keep her free from error.

Here is something to ponder if you think we are wrong: The majority of Christians throughout history and the world are Catholic and Orthodox, who believe as Catholics do on the matter. The majority of Christians did not succumb to the "sola scriptura error. 1500 years before Luther came along, this is what was believed by all Christians everywhere, since the time of the Apostles, and it can be proven. Sola scriptura is a view of the minority of Christians in the world. The Holy Spirit did not suddenly change his mind after 1500 years and decide he was mistaken. Divine Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle.

The majority of Christians have and still do believe that the truth revealed by God is contained in both Scripture and Sacred Tradition. This is called the “fullness” of the truth. Those who do not have strayed from the fullness of truth.

I hear what you are saying, but what does paragraph 107 state? I am promoting CCC 107, as I agree with it. How to fit this in with the rest I find somewhat confusing. You prefer to rely on the rest and ignore this article of faith. Is that reasonable?

 

[tee_eff_em]

CCC 107 *The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach

that truth which God

, for the sake of our salvation,

wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures

."*

Do you have reason to believe that *that truth which God wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures *is all the truth?

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[CCC_107]

Do you have reason to believe that *that truth which God wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures *is all the truth?

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If it is God’s will to confide the truth, necessary for salvation, to the scriptures, then my question is; can you leave part of the truth out? Are you saying that this part, not necessary for salvation, can be found elsewhere. I have just suddenly lost interest. Please revive me?

 

[CB_Catholic]

I hear what you are saying, but what does paragraph 107 state? I am promoting CCC 107, as I agree with it. How to fit this in with the rest I find somewhat confusing. You prefer to rely on the rest and ignore this article of faith. Is that reasonable?

You are misinterpreting the article. It says scripture is entrusted with the truth, but it does not say that ONLY scripture is entrusted with the truth. You are cherry-picking a sentence from the Catechism without acknowledging the WHOLE of the Catholic teaching. This article is talking about Scripture. There is a section on Sacred Tradition. We do not separate the two when it comes to what makes up our deposit of faith.

Now everyone is telling you that you are interpreting the article incorrectly. Why are you so insistent that WE are wrong?

 

[CCC_107]

You are misinterpreting the article. It says scripture is entrusted with the truth, but it does not say that ONLY scripture is entrusted with the truth. You are cherry-picking a sentence from the Catechism without acknowledging the WHOLE of the Catholic teaching. This article is talking about Scripture. There is a section on Sacred Tradition. We do not separate the two when it comes to what makes up our deposit of faith.

Now everyone is telling you that you are interpreting the article incorrectly. Why are you so insistent that WE are wrong?

Since it is the will of God to entrust the truth, necessary for salvation, to the scriptures (CCC 107). You are now introducing more truth, which cannot be necessary for salvation , otherwise paragraph 107 is wrong.

I don’t have any issues with paragraph 107. Your post leaves me somewhat confused.

 

[tee_eff_em]

If it is God’s will to confide the truth, necessary for salvation, to the scriptures, then my question is; can you leave part of the truth out? Are you saying that this part, not necessary for salvation, can be found elsewhere. I have just suddenly lost interest. Please revive me?

The article does not say *

necessary

for salvation *-- It says for the sake of our salvation.

You are parsing it wrong.
It is not God wished to see truthForTheSakeOfOurSalvation confided to the Sacred Scriptures.
It is God wishedToSeeConfidedForTheSakeOfOurSalvation truth to the Sacred Scriptures.

. . .

Let me put it this way:
For the sake of our salvation, God wished to confide some truth to Sacred Scriptures.
For the sake of our salvation, God wished to confide some truth to Sacred Tradition.
For the sake of our salvation, God wished to confide the fullness of truth to the Church, which guards those truths which have been confided to Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition.

Why is this difficult to understand?

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