A sound inductive cosmological argument?

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  1. The uniformity of nature is either caused or uncaused.
  2. Complex things are unlikely to be uncaused.
  3. The uniformity of nature entails very complex things.
  4. Therefore, the uniformity of nature is probably caused.
  1. Nature is not uniform. It has never been consistently the same nor does it conform to one principle. It varies in design, purpose, characteristics. Even apparent evolution is as varied as it is questioned. Nature is often at odds within itself with one component competing with another for survival or dominance.
  2. Nature is both complex and perplexing. There is not a single component, part, or element that is not somehow tangled with something else
  3. Nothing within nature can be conceived as totally existing outside of nature.
  4. While nature exists as a whole, within nature there are elements which cease to exist. Yet, the whole remains in existence.
  5. a) If changes occur within nature, including the loss of existence, and b) within nature there are components in conflict with each other, and c) there is not a single natural component that is totally separate and independent from nature, and d) there is nothing natural which can be conceived as existing outside of nature–
  6. The conclusion should be that nature cannot exist because there is nothing in its dual states of change and interdependence which can unify the whole into an existing entity.
  7. Since nature does exist, then something which not only transcends nature but has a personal relationship with nature’s components is needed to keep nature as an existing whole.
 
  1. Since nature does exist, then something which not only transcends nature but has a personal relationship with nature’s components is needed to keep nature as an existing whole.
I assume by “nature” you mean the cosmos?

Since reading some of this argument over the past few day’s, I’ve come to a similar conclusions. It is unlikely for something finite (the universe is finite from what we know) to appear within the span of the infinite. However, this does depend on the notion that the universe is finite, and it also doesn’t mean that a God exists, just that there is some process that is separate from our physical reality that is infinite and that we don’t understand.
 
I assume by “nature” you mean the cosmos?

Since reading some of this argument over the past few day’s, I’ve come to a similar conclusions. It is unlikely for something finite (the universe is finite from what we know) to appear within the span of the infinite. However, this does depend on the notion that the universe is finite, and it also doesn’t mean that a God exists, just that there is some process that is separate from our physical reality that is infinite and that we don’t understand.
Personally, I like to think of nature as that which is readily visible, hearable and touchable, but in the broad sense I see nature as meaning the cosmos. I deliberately left out the ideas of infinite and finite because there are components in nature that are finite in that they can cease to exist. The idea that there is a possible infinite universe does not change the fact that it is connected to nature here and now.

My point 7. “Since nature does exist, then something which not only transcends nature but has a personal relationship with nature’s components is needed to keep nature as an existing whole.” is a common definition of God.
 
Personally, I like to think of nature as that which is readily visible, hearable and touchable, but in the broad sense I see nature as meaning the cosmos. I deliberately left out the ideas of infinite and finite because there are components in nature that are finite in that they can cease to exist. The idea that there is a possible infinite universe does not change the fact that it is connected to nature here and now.

My point 7. “Since nature does exist, then something which not only transcends nature but has a personal relationship with nature’s components is needed to keep nature as an existing whole.” is a common definition of God.
Ah, then we differ a little there. I think that nature does not need to rely on anything to exist as it is… it only requires something to create it. All evidence so far points to the universe running out of energy as it expands… all stars dying… black holes radiating away over the eons… etc.

I’m not sure why you would require a personal touch on nature either. Once it’s created (say by the BB or whatever) then why would something need to babysit the thing?
 
Ah, then we differ a little there. I think that nature does not need to rely on anything to exist as it is… it only requires something to create it. All evidence so far points to the universe running out of energy as it expands… all stars dying… black holes radiating away over the eons… etc.

I’m not sure why you would require a personal touch on nature either. Once it’s created (say by the BB or whatever) then why would something need to babysit the thing?
Babysit the universe? The same reason we babysit two-year-olds–to keep them out of trouble or in the case of one of my grandkids to keep him from destroying his home.😉

Sorry, my sense of humor kicked in. However, it is fun once in a while to look at things upside down.:eek:

Actually, when I was writing point 1, I was thinking how individual and competitive my own six kids are. Yet, no matter if they are personally at odds with each other, they act as a whole when anyone is threatened.

Going along with the thought, that “something” is required to create or cause nature and then it could exist on its own-- would the sum of “something” have to be greater or equal to the parts of that which was produced? Please note that I am not hinting about “intelligent design.” Though if one is looking at something which transcends nature, there would have to be a form of intelligence. I liked the idea of the Big Bang theory and am waiting to see if it holds up. Evolutionary theory is fascinating. For the macro and the micro to exist along side of each other in relative peace means to me that there had to be a being which transcends everything.

By the way, do you like using the word caused? Sometimes I think that word is a stumbling block.
 
I changed the original premises from an inclusion of the “uniformity of nature,” to the “universe.” I feel the latter is less confusing. So, the argument (restated) is this:
  1. The universe is either caused or uncaused.
  2. Complex things are unlikely to be uncaused.
  3. The universe is very complex.
  4. Therefore, the universe is probably caused.
 
  1. The universe is either caused or uncaused.
  2. Complex things are unlikely to be uncaused.
  3. The universe is very complex.
  4. Therefore, the universe is probably caused.
Oh, I already made my remarks as to this one and repost them here again:

“Unhappily my confusion is not resolved. What is “the universe”? Is it both nature(matter, physical laws) and the complex entities it is inhabited with? But this would mean, again, to mingle simplicity(nature) with complexity(the things put forth by nature when left to it’s own working processes) and melt them into one term(the universe), forcing this term under the headline of “complexity”. This procedure I deem illegitimate and my whole argument in my first post was directed against it.”
I still cannot help thinking that while your argument proves that complex things like we can find them in the universe are in need of a cause, it cannot reach the assertion that the universe itself requires such a cause.

But let’s go on:
The cause of the universe would have to be simple, since it is the cause of complexity; and, bodies are necessarily complex, given their divisibility. Because of this, the first cause must exist beyond the universe (all physical space, time, matter and energy), and is therefore timeless, changeless, and immaterial, in addition to being enormously powerful.
The argument outlined above only works if you assume that anything physical is a divisible body. Why should this be so? I readily agree that “matter” is a hazy concept but certainly there is some core to it. Maybe we’d like to insert “the smallest non-divisible particle” or simply “energy” instead, but it much amounts to the same: physical simplicity. – Once the idea of physical simplicity is taken for granted(and I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be taken as such), there is no need to appeal to transcendal simplicity.
 
Hi Whim,

Regarding why the first cause is God, rather than nature, start with posts 38 and on.
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TheWhim:
The argument outlined above only works if you assume that anything physical is a divisible body. Why should this be so? I readily agree that “matter” is a hazy concept but certainly there is some core to it. Maybe we’d like to insert “the smallest non-divisible particle” or simply “energy” instead, but it much amounts to the same: physical simplicity. – Once the idea of physical simplicity is taken for granted(and I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be taken as such), there is no need to appeal to transcendal simplicity.
Think of it this way. Changing things have a certain degree of complexity. Now, if something simple is the first cause of the universe, then it will not be complex, and is therefore unchanging. From this we can infer the divine attributes via immutability and pure actuality.
 
Regarding why the first cause is God, rather than nature,
Well, this question does not regard me. What I challenge is the assumption that based on the inductive argument surrounding the issue of complexity which you have provided, we are indeed led to postulate a cause for the universe. As I’ve written:
“I still cannot help thinking that while your argument proves that complex things like we can find them in the universe are in need of a cause, it cannot reach the assertion that the universe itself requires such a cause.”
Think of it this way. Changing things have a certain degree of complexity.
On which principles do you rely in making this assertion? Well, I agree, matter is a hazy concept; perhaps the smallest particle imaginable lies also quite in the fog. “Energy” is not more telling. - Well, let’s simply choose one of these concepts, for the sake of argument. I think you are quite aware of what I mean when I employ them: the simplicity of nature. - I said that simplicity amounts to indivisibility. You replied that simplicity also implies lack of change. I agree insofar as any change in properties, in features is intended here; indeed, matter(or energy, or the tiniest particle, or whatever), will never become something else, it will only assort in different manners, thereby causing complex entities to appear; but, down to its core, it will remain immutable and indivisible. Why should it fall short of simplicity?
 
I changed the original premises from an inclusion of the “uniformity of nature,” to the “universe.” I feel the latter is less confusing. So, the argument (restated) is this:
  1. The universe is either caused or uncaused.
  2. Complex things are unlikely to be uncaused.
  3. The universe is very complex.
  4. Therefore, the universe is probably caused.
The “uniformity of nature” is very important for the original argument.

To say that nature is uniform is to say that it is an ordered totality by reason of physical laws which hold universally. This is what makes it a cosmos (order) and not merely chaos. The roots for this distinction are, of course, in the very Greek words which I have invoked, but its easy enough to understand for us. Do we think, like the atheistic existentialists do, that the universe is chaos, and that we impose cosmos on it (are physical laws just forms of the mind, imposed on the universe?), or that the universe really is a cosmos? If the universe really has a beautiful order then that certainly implies an order-er. But if the universe is chaos then we really have no grounds for inferring an order-er.

When we say that nature is uniform, we are saying that the universe is a cosmos by reason of identical physical laws which hold universally. Taking out the “cosmos” (order) takes out the reason to infer the order-er. Complexity is not the same as order.

I can’t help but think you’ve weakened the argument. Have I been clear at all?

Question for you: I’ve been reading Rowe’s book on the Cosmological Argument, because I’m considering writing my undergraduate thesis on the cosmological argument. Does Pruss treat Rowe’s treatment of the principle of sufficient reason in his book? That might give me an excuse to read and get Pruss’s book! Thanks.

God bless,
Rob
 
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TheWhim:
Well, this question does not regard me. What I challenge is the assumption that based on the inductive argument surrounding the issue of complexity which you have provided, we are indeed led to postulate a cause for the universe. As I’ve written:
“I still cannot help thinking that while your argument proves that complex things like we can find them in the universe are in need of a cause, it cannot reach the assertion that the universe itself requires such a cause.”
I see. But, that’s why I’ve elsewhere argued that this is a case in which what applies to the parts does apply to the whole. We might say that a wall made of small parts is actually large, in which case the whole is unlike the parts. However, if the wall is made of brick parts, then the entire wall must likewise be made of brick. The latter is an instance of an essential composition. Likewise, if every part of the universe is complex, then the entire universe itself must be complex, and therefore caused by a simple entity.
On which principles do you rely in making this assertion? Well, I agree, matter is a hazy concept; perhaps the smallest particle imaginable lies also quite in the fog. “Energy” is not more telling. - Well, let’s simply choose one of these concepts, for the sake of argument. I think you are quite aware of what I mean when I employ them: the simplicity of nature. - I said that simplicity amounts to indivisibility. You replied that simplicity also implies lack of change. I agree insofar as any change in properties, in features is intended here; indeed, matter(or energy, or the tiniest particle, or whatever), will never become something else, it will only assort in different manners, thereby causing complex entities to appear; but, down to its core, it will remain immutable and indivisible. Why should it fall short of simplicity?
I don’t think it would be anything other than simple, but due to its immutability, we simply have a change of referent - from God to nature, or the other way around. If we’re thinking of God as pure actuality, though, it seems more appropriate to refer to this entity as God.
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RobNY:
The “uniformity of nature” is very important for the original argument.

To say that nature is uniform is to say that it is an ordered totality by reason of physical laws which hold universally. This is what makes it a cosmos (order) and not merely chaos. The roots for this distinction are, of course, in the very Greek words which I have invoked, but its easy enough to understand for us. Do we think, like the atheistic existentialists do, that the universe is chaos, and that we impose cosmos on it (are physical laws just forms of the mind, imposed on the universe?), or that the universe really is a cosmos? If the universe really has a beautiful order then that certainly implies an order-er. But if the universe is chaos then we really have no grounds for inferring an order-er.
Right, I’d say it’s independent of our minds, but that it reflects the thinking of God, the order-er (Logos).
When we say that nature is uniform, we are saying that the universe is a cosmos by reason of identical physical laws which hold universally. Taking out the “cosmos” (order) takes out the reason to infer the order-er. Complexity is not the same as order.
I can’t help but think you’ve weakened the argument. Have I been clear at all?
Well, I agree with you that complexity is not synonymous with “order” so long as complexity can co-exist with chaos. However, even chaos is intelligible, and intelligibility presupposes order; so, there is order even behind elements of chaos.
Question for you: I’ve been reading Rowe’s book on the Cosmological Argument, because I’m considering writing my undergraduate thesis on the cosmological argument. Does Pruss treat Rowe’s treatment of the principle of sufficient reason in his book? That might give me an excuse to read and get Pruss’s book! Thanks.
Do you mean Pruss’ The Principle of Sufficient Reason? It’s quite an impressive work for its own sake, so I would highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in cosmological arguments and the PSR. Pruss actually does make use of Rowe’s work in a number of places. In one instance of Rowe, Pruss responds favorably (pp. 43-44):

“The argument . . . from infinite regress to circularity can be put more vividly. Suppose we have an infinite sequence of chickens and eggs, each egg giving rise to a chicken and each chicken giving rise to a subsequent egg. Then, the above argument shows that if we accept infinitely regressive explanations, then we should be willing to say that the existence and activity of the members of the set of eggs are explained by the existence and activity of the members of the set of chickens while the existence and activity of the chickens are explained by that of the eggs. This is circular and clearly fails to answer the question of why there are chickens and eggs at all.”

Pruss, following Rowe, argues that Hume’s objection to the cosmological argument does not account for why there is a set of anything at all. Even though each member of the set is explained by a preceding member, no sufficient explanation is given for the set as a whole. This is where I believe stressing the difference between an incidental composition and an essential composition is crucial in defending the argument from contingency.

Hope this is helpful!
 
Right, I’d say it’s independent of our minds, but that it reflects the thinking of God, the order-er (Logos).
Well, I agree with you that complexity is not synonymous with “order” so long as complexity can co-exist with chaos. However, even chaos is intelligible, and intelligibility presupposes order; so, there is order even behind elements of chaos.
I think indeed that complexity could co-exist with chaos.

To say that chaos is intelligible though, either (1) trades on an equivocation in the term chaos, or (2) really means that apparent chaos is intelligible.

(1) If you really means that chaos is intelligible, then it is not chaos, but cosmos.
(2) Apparent chaos, though, can be intelligible. In other words, things which at first appear to be chaos are not in fact chaos, and this can be known by its intelligibility.

The problem though, is how to take the “intelligibility” of things which are apparently chaotic. Philosophers like Kant have held that the mind imposes a form of intelligibility on the world, a form which we cannot know if it exists in the world itself, or if it is merely a conventional way in which the mind rearranges data. Data can fit multiple theories. Or rather, we can arrange the data as if they had intelligibility, which in fact they do not have.

I don’t think Kant or Sartre would be particularly fazed by your pointing out that you’ve found intelligibility in the world. The question is whether you put it there or not.
Do you mean Pruss’ The Principle of Sufficient Reason? It’s quite an impressive work for its own sake, so I would highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in cosmological arguments and the PSR. Pruss actually does make use of Rowe’s work in a number of places. In one instance of Rowe, Pruss responds favorably (pp. 43-44):
“The argument . . . from infinite regress to circularity can be put more vividly. Suppose we have an infinite sequence of chickens and eggs, each egg giving rise to a chicken and each chicken giving rise to a subsequent egg. Then, the above argument shows that if we accept infinitely regressive explanations, then we should be willing to say that the existence and activity of the members of the set of eggs are explained by the existence and activity of the members of the set of chickens while the existence and activity of the chickens are explained by that of the eggs. This is circular and clearly fails to answer the question of why there are chickens and eggs at all.”
Pruss, following Rowe, argues that Hume’s objection to the cosmological argument does not account for why there is a set of anything at all. Even though each member of the set is explained by a preceding member, no sufficient explanation is given for the set as a whole. This is where I believe stressing the difference between an incidental composition and an essential composition is crucial in defending the argument from contingency.
Hope this is helpful!
It is helpful. 🙂 I think I may have a good excuse to buy the book now.

My question is this: what is Pruss’s stance on the cosmological argument as “proof” rather than rational justification for theism (a distinction which Rowe pursues), and what sort of status does the PSR have for him? Rowe allows the weak version of PSR through, but since it is an unprovable principle, says that the cosmological argument cannot, in principle, be a proof of God’s existence. I’m assuming Pruss works within this, but I’d appreciate your thoughts on this.

God bless,
Rob
 
I think indeed that complexity could co-exist with chaos.

To say that chaos is intelligible though, either (1) trades on an equivocation in the term chaos, or (2) really means that apparent chaos is intelligible.

(1) If you really means that chaos is intelligible, then it is not chaos, but cosmos.
(2) Apparent chaos, though, can be intelligible. In other words, things which at first appear to be chaos are not in fact chaos, and this can be known by its intelligibility.

The problem though, is how to take the “intelligibility” of things which are apparently chaotic. Philosophers like Kant have held that the mind imposes a form of intelligibility on the world, a form which we cannot know if it exists in the world itself, or if it is merely a conventional way in which the mind rearranges data. Data can fit multiple theories. Or rather, we can arrange the data as if they had intelligibility, which in fact they do not have.

I don’t think Kant or Sartre would be particularly fazed by your pointing out that you’ve found intelligibility in the world. The question is whether you put it there or not.
You’ve enunciated Kant’s position on the noumena/phenomena distinction quite well. I’m merely offering this argument from a realist’s perspective. However, if we want to delve deeper, we could point out that our own minds’ being capable of imposing order on the universe requires order within our minds. Even if there are things in the world which are chaotic, that doesn’t do away with the reality of order.
It is helpful. 🙂 I think I may have a good excuse to buy the book now.
Great! I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.
My question is this: what is Pruss’s stance on the cosmological argument as “proof” rather than rational justification for theism (a distinction which Rowe pursues), and what sort of status does the PSR have for him? Rowe allows the weak version of PSR through, but since it is an unprovable principle, says that the cosmological argument cannot, in principle, be a proof of God’s existence. I’m assuming Pruss works within this, but I’d appreciate your thoughts on this.
God bless,
Rob
Pruss believes the cosmological argument is rationally compelling. He’s argued that a denial of the PSR results in the undermining of science and knowledge in general. In fact, he actually accepts a fairly strong version of the PSR, contra van Inwagen. Pruss and Gale have co-written a paper on the cosmological argument that makes use of the W-PSR, though, which you can read here: www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/ap85/papers/NewCosmo.html

My own summary of the argument goes like this:
  1. It is possible that a necessary being explains the contingent universe.
  2. If something is possibly necessary, then it exists in all possible worlds.
  3. Whatever exists in all possible worlds exists in the real world.
  4. Therefore, a necessary being exists in the real world.
This argument avoids van Inwagen’s objection, since we’re no longer talking about states of affairs, but simply concrete “things” (re: “beings”) in general. For example, then, there is a difference between what a thing is and what it does. It is possible that Jones is sitting under a tree, and it is also possible that Jones is not sitting under a tree. Regardless of which is true, Jones is still Jones. Applied specifically to the argument, therefore, a necessary being could exist without entailing some particular state of affairs. As Craig summarizes:

“[The PSR] merely requires any existing thing to have an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in some external cause. This premise is compatible with there being brute facts or states of affairs about the world. What it precludes is that there could exist things - substances exemplifying properties - which just exist inexplicably.” [1]

Hence, I don’t believe there is any contradiction in the notion of a necessary being. The other possible objection for the skeptic is to deny the S5 axiom on which (2) is dependent. The S5 axiom basically states that, “if p is possibly necessary, then p is necessary,” or, “◊□p → □p.”

However, this axiom is fairly easy to defend. Its contrapositive is this: “~□p → ~◊□p.” In other words, if something is not necessary, then it’s not possibly necessary. Davis puts it this way: “if p is not necessarily true, then it is not possible that p be necessarily true.” [2]

Given the equivalence of “~□p → ~◊□p” with “◊□p → □p,” and the obvious truth of the former, it follows logically and inescapably that the latter is also true. As a result, there is seemingly no tenable objection to the S5 axiom.

Now, since (3) follows from (2), and the real world is contained in the class of all possible worlds, it follows that (4) is correct and that a necessary being exists.

[1] William Lane Craig, “The Cosmological Argument,” in The Rationality of Theism, edited by Paul Copan and Paul K. Moser, Routledge Press, 2003, p. 115.

[2] Stephen T. Davis, “The Ontological Argument,” ibid., p. 107.
 
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