A third of the world now faces deadly heatwaves as result of climate change

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
Summer and its hot in Phoenix!!! Quick somebody do something? If only science could tell us what to do? Sometime before fall would be best for the political lobby…
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Thousands of scientists from numerous fields are doing their job by letting us know what is likely to happen in the near and distant future. If you have any provable evidence that as a group they are driven by “the political lobby” [sic] please present it.
Expatreprocedit said:
If I were you I wouldn’t waste my time. Nothing is going to make the deniers here care.
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I don’t believe that is a consideration.
Ridgerunner said:
Not that the MMGW people will accept it, but the 1950s were far hotter here than any time since then, for five years in a row. My grandfather told me there was a similar period in the 1930s.
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Besides your grandfather’s weather do you have any scientific sources are?
ucfengr said:
That’s the kind of thinking that leads to Scalise. “Deniers” won’t listen to reason, which only our side has, so we have to get rid of them…
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ucfengr said:
Climate change is an existential threat. Using too much energy and living profligately is a crime against humanity. In that case, violence against the despoilers of the planet is not a disturbed response, it’s a perfectly reasonable one.
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Besides being off topic the above are ad hominem appeals to consequences.
meltzerboy said:
There is a little more in THAT kind of thought process; in other words, a big distance between " ‘deniers’ won’t listen to reason, which only our side has," and “so we have to get rid of them…” Something further is going on in the disturbed mind that leads the person to take to violence, such as “if they don’t agree with me, they don’t deserve to live,” or “they are making it too hard for the rest of us, so they must be eliminated.” That additional cognitive process makes all the difference.
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👍 I agree, thinking does help.
Roseeurekacross said:
The biggest significant difference in my part of Australia in the last 50 years is in the effect of the heat of the sun.

Yes there is a hole in the ozone layer that contributes to this effect.

So rays of the sun are really intense, no matter the temperature. Famous comments by Africans I had visiting…we get the same temperatures, we have blue sky and sunlight, but the sun here we don’t get.

Btw we are heading into another drought. It’s dry, too dry, winter days are blue sky and sun, early morning frost. It should be wet, cloudy, cold and raining.

Global climate change is just that, Global. It’s real, it’s here, it’s already happening.

Just because you see no change where you are, does that negate its reality?
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👍

Thanks for reminding us there is difference between weather and climate
Roseeurekacross said:
abc.net.au/news/2017-06-21/extreme-us-heatwave-grounds-arizona-las-vegas-flights/8637278
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Thanks. This is the type of weather event that the climate models have been predicting. If it were singular we’d call it a fluke but when when the frequency and number of such extreme weather events are happening all over the world it makes it difficult for skeptics.
Cathoholic said:
Roseeurekacross. You mentioned . . .

But I have just the opposite. I have things that used to grow here but it is now too cold.

When I bring THAT up, I get told that’s merely a local phenomenon.

So concerning your “proof” of " tropical fruit growing in traditionally temperate climates." from what the global warming alarmists have taught me, I have to say . . . .
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Climate change effects weather differently in different areas. Why would you expect it would be all warming?
 
Ender said:
Denying the validity of unsupported claims is not denying science. Given that global temperatures have hardly moved in nearly 20 years, why would we believe heatwaves are suddenly a new problem?

The facts are that the models have significantly overestimated the amount of warming we have experienced so far in this century, a fact finally getting “official” recognition. This is from a paper that came out about two days ago:
  • We conclude that model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies* in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations.
    Ender
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It’s interesting that you chose a non-peer reviewed article in a pay to publish journal and that costs $175 to read. One can only wonder how many scientists will cite such article for any scientific value it may contain.
 
qui_est_ce said:
These are my thoughts and actions as well. When my kids were still living at home, we had one car. We took the bus and carpooled. We had a compost pile. When they were babies, I used cloth diapers and hung them on the line. I wonder how many climate fear mongers do this? I don’t use paper towels or paper napkins. I have a setback thermostat. I buy a lot of my clothing and household goods second hand, including my car.

When my kids grew up and moved out on their own, I downsized my housing. No need to keep a big house and all the energy it takes to maintain that.

I agree that the science keeps changing as we learn more. Many of the proposals to “fight” climate change hurt the poor: increase energy cost, used car prices and car repairs skyrocketing due to cash for clunkers, etc. I don’t think they work.

I think it’s possible to disagree with the climate change agenda, but still be a responsible steward of the earth.

People have a tendency to assume those who oppose climate change solutions don’t reuse and recycle. That climate change “deniers” don’t want clean air and water. Not true.
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My husband and I do the same. We live in a small house, and raised our two sons in this same small house. When I was a very small child, milk was delivered in glass jars. I admit I didn’t use cloth diapers(I tried it but my two sons were both in diapers at the same time being 19 months apart):o But I wish I would have.
I’m not a scientist, but I have heard that other planets in our system are warming too? I believe if we are warming, it’s due to the sun, not anything we are doing.
And I am all for caring for God’s creation. In my opinion, I have often wondered if we got rid of air travel, and used high speed rail for intercontinental travel like they do in Europe, and fast ships for crossing the ocean, if this would help the environment? (Admittedly this comes from one who doesn’t like to fly.)We recycle, and are trying to downsize. Our carbon footprint is waaay smaller than Al Gore’s or Leonardo Di Caprio’s.
 
frobert said:
Besides being off topic the above are ad hominem appeals to consequences.
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The topic of the article is how climate change is causing “deadly heatwaves”. IOW, people who reject the “Science” are literally killing people. How would you deal with murderers? Reason with them? Persuade them to stop killing? I’m embracing the alarmist point of view and following it to its logical conclusion.
 
ucfengr said:
The topic of the article is how climate change is causing “deadly heatwaves”. IOW, people who reject the “Science” are literally killing people. How would you deal with murderers? Reason with them? Persuade them to stop killing? I’m embracing the alarmist point of view and following it to its logical conclusion.
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I can’t help it if “your alarmist point of view” is an ad holmium. :🤷

BTW, I don’t claim to do anything at all. If you are looking for advice, the best I can offer is simplify and to spend quality time with family, friends and neighbors.
 
I turned off a light bulb last night. And wouldn’t you know it? The temperature in Phoenix went down!

My Godlike power can control the weather.
Now, if I could somehow use this power to gain control over the masses and acquire wealth…

If only someone knew how to rule by fear and could lay out a blueprint for it…

If only someone could invent a medium where people could go “online”. That guy would be the one to ask…
 
frobert said:
I can’t help it if “your alarmist point of view” is an ad holmium. :🤷
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I don’t think you know what ad hominem means and it’s not my “alarmist point of view”.
frobert said:
BTW, I don’t claim to do anything at all. If you are looking for advice, the best I can offer is simplify and to spend quality time with family, friends and neighbors.
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Simplify and spend more time with family and friends doesn’t seem like much of a response to an existential threat. It seems like you just want people to live their lives in the way you prefer rather than the way they prefer and “climate change” is just the whip to make them comply.🤷
 
ucfengr said:
I don’t think you know what ad hominem means and it’s not my “alarmist point of view”
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Look up Circumstantial ad Hominem
Simplify and spend more time with family and friends doesn’t seem like much of a response to an existential threat. It seems like you just want people to live their lives in the way you prefer rather than the way they prefer and “climate change” is just the whip to make them
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What way to you imagine that I want people to live?

BTW, Do you understand what a conditional statement is?
 
frobert:
Climate change effects weather differently in different areas. Why would you expect it would be all warming?
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If this is what you got out of my post, then you missed the point frobert.

The point was, when there is “cooling” and I point it out to global warming believers, then they frequently respond with something like . . . “That’s not “Climate”. That’s just “Weather”.”

But when I make the same point to them (in reverse) of a different example, it is “CLIMATE denial.”

And the double-standard I see frequently employed, suggests to me that this is a political agenda more than an environmental agenda (in some cases with some people).

That’s all.
 
Cathoholic said:
frobert:

If this is what you got out of my post, then you missed the point frobert.

The point was, when there is “cooling” and I point it out to global warming believers, then they frequently respond with something like . . . “That’s not “Climate”. That’s just “Weather”.”

But when I make the same point to them (in reverse) of a different example, it is “CLIMATE denial.”

And the double-standard I see frequently employed, suggests to me that this is a political agenda more than an environmental agenda (in some cases with some people).

That’s all.
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Well, the OP states that a third of the word is facing deadly heatwaves. No reference to dying from freezing or inclement weather.
 
Cathoholic said:
frobert:

If this is what you got out of my post, then you missed the point frobert.

The point was, when there is “cooling” and I point it out to global warming believers, then they frequently respond with something like . . . “That’s not “Climate”. That’s just “Weather”.”

But when I make the same point to them (in reverse) of a different example, it is “CLIMATE denial.”

And the double-standard I see frequently employed, suggests to me that this is a political agenda more than an environmental agenda (in some cases with some people).

That’s all.
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The anecdotes about localized warming are not proof of global warming. They are presented only as a balance to anecdotes about localized cooling. Neither set of anecdotes are conclusive. The true evidence for global warming is the not-so-sexy tabulations of surface temperatures from sampling stations, satellite readings, ocean samplings, all combined and averaged.

There is nothing comparable to this evidence on the “global cooling” side.
 
The anecdotes about localized warming are not proof of global warming. . . . . Neither set of anecdotes are conclusive.
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That’s MY point LeafByNiggle.

Now tell the global warming alarmists to quit the Tweets about climate Armageddon every time there is a storm.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Well, the OP states that a third of the word is facing deadly heatwaves. No reference to dying from freezing or inclement weather.
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It’s like the guy who has one foot in boiling water and the other in dry ice. The average temperature means little in his case. 🙂

One of the reasons I remain neutral on climate change. But I’ll look at all the data.
 
frobert said:
Besides your grandfather’s weather do you have any scientific sources are?
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The University of Missouri seems to think it knows, too.

1930’s-40’s: Dust Bowl Years of the 1930’s and early 1940’s: Heat and Drought
In Particular: 1930, 1931, 1934 1936, 1940, 1941 for drought and 1934 and 1936 for summer heat and drought

1950’s: Drought Years of the 1950’s: Heat and Drought
In Particular: 1953-57 for drought and 1953 and 1954 for summer heat and drought.

climate.missouri.edu/sigwxmo.php
 
Ridgerunner said:
The University of Missouri seems to think it knows, too.

1930’s-40’s: Dust Bowl Years of the 1930’s and early 1940’s: Heat and Drought
In Particular: 1930, 1931, 1934 1936, 1940, 1941 for drought and 1934 and 1936 for summer heat and drought

1950’s: Drought Years of the 1950’s: Heat and Drought
In Particular: 1953-57 for drought and 1953 and 1954 for summer heat and drought.

climate.missouri.edu/sigwxmo.php
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These “climate changes” are random.

The Century’s Statistics
Warmest Temperature - 118°. July 14, 1954 in Warsaw and Union
Coldest Temperature - 40°. February 13, 1905 in Warsaw
Driest Year - 1953. State average total precipitation: 25.53"
Wettest Year - 1993. State average total precipitation: 56.90"
Warmest Summer - 1934. State average temperature: 81.9°
Coldest Winter - 1978-79. State averahe temperature: 24.1°
 
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