AA 1025 Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle

[trickster]

First of all, this posting is not meant to be disrespectful, but if for some reason it crosses the line, I trust that the moderators will pull the thread and I will fully understand.

As many of you know I talk to everyone from very conservative or traditional roots to very liberal, progressive and post-modern roots in the Catholic faith as part of searching out my call to explore the conversation between indigenous communities and catholic teaching, spirituality for many years now. Recently I have been introduced to CathInfo of which i have started to talk to many wonderful people.

I think that as many catholics in the past or present have sought to understand the significance and impacts of Vatican II, the notion of communiist infiltration and the Mason’s seem to be two themes that explain the results of Vatican II for Traditional Catholics who have made a choice not to continue their journey with us into the post-conciliar world.

What my question is - with regards to AA 1025, I would like to know if there are any collaborative documents that could be read in relation to AA 1025? What is the current thinking among academics and theologians about the role of Communism in relation to Vatican II? Any references you can cite and recommend i would greatly appreciate.

Trickster
Bruce Ferguson

 

[Skeptic92]

First of all, this posting is not meant to be disrespectful, but if for some reason it crosses the line, I trust that the moderators will pull the thread and I will fully understand.

As many of you know I talk to everyone from very conservative or traditional roots to very liberal, progressive and post-modern roots in the Catholic faith as part of searching out my call to explore the conversation between indigenous communities and catholic teaching, spirituality for many years now. Recently I have been introduced to CathInfo of which i have started to talk to many wonderful people.

I think that as many catholics in the past or present have sought to understand the significance and impacts of Vatican II, the notion of communiist infiltration and the Mason’s seem to be two themes that explain the results of Vatican II for Traditional Catholics who have made a choice not to continue their journey with us into the post-conciliar world.

What my question is - with regards to AA 1025, I would like to know if there are any collaborative documents that could be read in relation to AA 1025? What is the current thinking among academics and theologians about the role of Communism in relation to Vatican II? Any references you can cite and recommend i would greatly appreciate.

Trickster
Bruce Ferguson

I do not believe the memoirs were ever authenticated, which makes me suspicious of them to begin with. What do you believe there is to be gained by reading them? What is best to be done is to read the Council documents in light of sound the Catholic Theology and Philosophy that preceded the Council.

 

[The_Serpent]

I read this one as well. It seems to me that it would be possible to establish the identities of the main characters through newspapers and other sources. If the story is true, then who is anti apostle that died in a car accident, … and had some standing in the Church? Never heard of anyone though. The Nurse/Nun that released the anti apostles memoirs should also be identifiable. Perhaps the real Anti Apostle was the Nurse who could have made up the entire story to hurt the Church?

tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/217/keywords/1025/

 

[trickster]

I do not believe the memoirs were ever authenticated, which makes me suspicious of them to begin with. What do you believe there is to be gained by reading them? What is best to be done is to read the Council documents in light of sound the Catholic Theology and Philosophy that preceded the Council.

I do respect and listen to our brothers and sisters who have made the choice not to follow us in the steps of Vatican II. I am not only a novus order kind of guy, I tend to be pretty liberal…and I think fof the most part, people do respect my honestly on that point. It is no secret that russia would of like to infiltrate the church, of course that makes sense … I have recieved very good respect from that forum…but my concept of the book is that either the writer Michael … is a profit and coudl make all the predictions he made about the VAtican II chruch…it sounds like it is a criticism after the fact.

I don’t think any of us shoudl be naive though,… communisim I am sure has infiltrated our church…but I beleive in the spirit and the church won’t be prevailed by billiant men or anyone else.

 

[trickster]

I read this one as well. It seems to me that it would be possible to establish the identities of the main characters through newspapers and other sources. If the story is true, then who is anti apostle that died in a car accident, … and had some standing in the Church? Never heard of anyone though. The Nurse/Nun that released the anti apostles memoirs should also be identifiable. Perhaps the real Anti Apostle was the Nurse who could have made up the entire story to hurt the Church?

tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/217/keywords/1025/

Thank you the Serpent I think a lot has to be questioned about the book…except the fact that yes, the communist would of had an interest in infiltrated in the church…that much makes sense doesn’t it…but I do believe our creator is smarter than the best brains we humans can come up with…Satan as far as I understand wont’ be able to confuse the church, hence I am a very strong novus order kind of guy

bruce

 

[Sirach2]

I do not believe the memoirs were ever authenticated, which makes me suspicious of them to begin with. What do you believe there is to be gained by reading them? What is best to be done is to read the Council documents in light of sound the Catholic Theology and Philosophy that preceded the Council.

 

[Sirach2]

To Trickster: From a book review at Amazon:

1.0 out of 5 stars Con job, October 12, 2003
By
Stephen Hitchings (Sydney, Australia) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)

This review is from: Aa-1025: The Memoirs of a Communist’s infiltration in to the Church. (Paperback)
This book is one of two things: either the most incredible revelation of infiltration of the Catholic Church, or a fairly boring piece of fiction.
As I began reading it, I was prepared to believe that it was true. The more I read, however, the more I became convinced that it must be a work of fiction.

The things that convinced me were:
(1) The whole story about how the book came to be in the hands of a poor Catholic nurse stretches credibility, particularly when the nurse intrudes her own words into the narrative.
(2) The anonymous author claims to be a Communist, but speaks almost exclusively using Catholic terminology.
(3) His motivations in writing his “memoirs” are very unconvincing. He says that he is only writing them to get them out of his system and that he intends to destroy them before anyone can read them, but the book looks very much as if it is intended for publication; in particular, the “romance” with a young woman is too much like a stereotyped romantic fiction. The letter from the young woman sounds like something out of a melodrama. (And people do not quote others’ letters in full in their memoirs, unless those memoirs are intended for publication.) The whole thing looks nothing like a set of private memoirs.
(4) He claims too much: that is, to have thought up just about every change which has occurred in the Catholic Church in the past 40 years. In other words, everything this man claims to have thought of has either come about or been seriously suggested by people in the Church. If this is true, it would make this anonymous man the most influential Catholic of at least the last 19 centuries.
(5) Despite this enormous influence which he claims, and despite his claim that he is writing the book only for himself, he is awfully vague about how he worked. As a result, the whole thing is extremely unconvincing.
(6) Both the style and content are amazingly similar to what one reads in typical traditionalist attacks on the modern Catholic Church.
(7) As the book goes on, it becomes more and more preoccupied with traditionalist concerns, and almost completely abandons any attempt to tell a story.

In conclusion, this book is a work of fiction. As everything in it denies even the possibility that it could be fiction, it is a con job - one which successfully conned me out of my money, since I bought it. Judging from the other reviews, it seems that many others have also been conned by it.
I am prepared to believe, if given sufficient evidence, that Communists may have deliberately infiltrated the Catholic priesthood; but this book offers no evidence.