Aaron and the golden calf

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I give, if the entire structure, including the cherubim, were not meant to “enhance worship” what pray tell was their point?

God obviously had no need of a “Holy of Holies”, or Cheribum or Candle Sticks or Tents etc.

If they were not put in place to help “enhance worship” then what were they put in place for?

Chuck
myfavoritmartin said:
Your way off base…

Bob, show me how the cherubim was used to enhance worship…

All but the High Priest were forbidden under the pain of death to even enter this room, and the High priest’s every action while in the presence of God was strictly regimented according to the Lord’s own instruction.
And they visited the Holy of holies I believe like once a year.
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GandalfTheWhite said:
“Is it wrong for me to have a photo of my wife (not that I would have one) next to my bed? Is it wrong to use that picture to direct my thoughts at her?”

Pax Christi!
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I don’t know? do you recognise her as diety?
 
Footnotes
1 [5] The calf . . . a feast of the LORD: from this it is clear that the golden calf was intended as an image, not of a false god, but of the LORD himself, his strength being symbolized by the strength of a young bull. The Israelites, however, had been forbidden to represent the Lord under any visible form. Cf Exodus 20:4.
 
Exodus 32:28 says it was about 3 thousand people, mostly the mixed multitude of individuals who left with the Jews because they were so impressed by what went on with the Ten Plagues.

So that’s something less than 1% of the Jews. (Rashi, Exodus 32:4; Ramban, Exodus 32:7 & 32:28)

We may never know if they thought they were praying to God and the Golden Calf was just a method that they used because idols were familiar (which is what I tend to believe) or if they were worshipping another God, which unfortunately would not be the last time.
 
The stats are their…
The Catholic commentary is there…
It says here is your gods who led you out of egypt…

NOT sure what else y’all should need…
 
myfavoritmartin said:
The stats are their…
The Catholic commentary is there…
It says here is your gods who led you out of egypt…

NOT sure what else y’all should need…
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I addressed your starts…they prove nothing

The co called catholic commentary proves nothing as well. For example Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
**210 **“After Israel’s sin, when the people had turned away from God to worship the golden calf, God hears Moses’ prayer of intercession and agrees to walk in the midst of an unfaithful people, thus demonstrating his love.”

Finally I also adressed the “It says here is your gods who led you out of egypt…” You however keep silent and never made a comment on it.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2020:4&version=9

Exodus 20:4 (King James Version)

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth.
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I know, but a statue of Jesus is not a graven image unless you worship it.
…or are photo of my mom and dad graven images?
myfavoritmartin said:
Never said ya did…

Furthermore the israelites, no more thought their golden calf was God.
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I asked you several times to prove this. You only keep telling me this as if it was true. We are basically going in circles and if you won’t address my points then we shall continue doing so until the end of time (I’ll probably leave before that though :)).
 
Simon, as I mentioned earlier. Look at the grinding of the gold into dust. This is something countries would do to a defeated countries gods (idols) to show that these gods were nothing.

Look at the “amusing themselves”

Look at the phrase, “We don’t know what happened to Moses, who brought us out of Egypt”.

The Israelites had abandoned the Covenant already.

PS. Even though Elohim is considered plural, the Pentateuch used it quite often to refer to God (Yahweh), so you can’t autumatically make the assumption the the Hebrews said, “Here are your gods…”. It would be a literalistic interpretation, not necessarily a literal interpretation. It would make an interesting thread on why the Hebrews referred to God in the plural. Could it be the Trinity already?
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
I know, but a statue of Jesus is not a graven image unless you worship it.
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Prove it!
The following verse, talks about bowing to them…Much like the Statue of Peter the apostle at the vatican, you’ve seen the pictures of people bowing to that…
 
Prove it!
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Well, I asked you if taking a photo of my mother and then keeping it is making graven images. You did not answer. Answer the question and we’ll go from there.
The following verse, talks about bowing to them…Much like the Statue of Peter the apostle at the vatican, you’ve seen the pictures of people bowing to that…
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Well, we don’t bow to the statues. Bowing (as well as praying, worshiping etc.) **to **statues and bowing (praying…) **in front of **statues is different. I might look the same, but it’s clearly different. I’ve already explained that we don’t believe that the statues are more than just a piece of wood carved in the image of Jesus or a saint in order to help us direct our prayers to them. We do not direct the prayers at the actual statue/icon.

The same goes to the statue of St. Peter in Vatican.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
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or like this…
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Ye, the same thing. He is not praying to the statue but to Blessed Mary in front of her statue.

This actually looks like one of those propaganda photos you find on the anti-catholic site which say something like: Oh look, the Pope is praying to a statue - Antichrist! Whore of Babylon!

Is that where you got it? 😉
 
Actually, I looked at the rather “famous” image once more and I concluded that I can’t actually say that he is praying. In fact, how am I to know that this is even a statue? All I see is that he’s standing right in front of it. But if he is praying (and nothing wrong with that) then refer to my previous post.
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
Actually, I looked at the rather “famous” image once more and I concluded that I can’t actually say that he is praying. In fact, how am I to know that this is even a statue? All I see is that he’s standing right in front of it. But if he is praying (and nothing wrong with that) then refer to my previous post.
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It looks like he may have been crowning her. It could have been the feast of Mary, Queen of Heaven. I love that as well as the Feast of the Assumption. It’s wonderful, isn’t it? What’s your favorite?
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
No but we also don’t recognize a statue a Jesus as deity no more than I would recognize a photo of my wife as my wife.
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Then you won’t be putting your wife’s picture or statue into a house of worship and bowing and kneeling and prayering before it.

Mans primitive desire for the security of the physical. The essence of the story of the golden calf.
 
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