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djrakowski
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Imagine that…Exactly!
It sure looks like someone’s agenda is hanging out…
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Church_Militant
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Imagine that…
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myfavoritmartin
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CM,If you say so pope mfm…
Who are you to judge another man’s servant?
Tell me if I am determining that even though hitler claimed to be a Christian he was a bad fruit!
Am I being judgemental or discerning?
If I am determining that B16 is a good fruit even though many A- caths would say not, am I being judgemental or discerning?
Are we not called to be fruit inspectors?
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myfavoritmartin
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I shouldn’t need to say one way or the other, if what I say though feels bothersome to you or maybe some whom read this then a deeper study and evaluation of what they’re doing may be in order.
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djrakowski
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Hey, you’re the one who started the thread, so perhaps you should ‘say one way or the other.’ Considering that you’re the accuser, it seems that it should be up to you to make your case.
I’m not sure why your posts should ‘feel bothersome’ to me. I’m comfortable in my practice of Catholicism, and I know that my veneration of sacred images and my use of them in aiding my prayer life doesn’t even come close to idolatry (and thus doesn’t even come close to violating the principles of scripture). But, it doesn’t seem to matter what we say.
As one of my Catholic brothers posted above, if we were truly worshipping or substituting statues for the living God, why would we try so hard to deny it?
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myfavoritmartin
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How do you know this???
Just curious
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djrakowski
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Simple - I don’t attribute any of the characteristics of God to those inanimate objects. I don’t expect them to grant me any request, receive my prayers or save my soul. I don’t believe that these images bled and died for my sins, and I don’t believe that they play any direct role in my salvation apart from keeping my mind fixed on the things of God. I don’t place myself under the Lordship of sacred images.
I’ve read scripture. I know what it means to worship. I know that what I’m doing, and what every other faithful Catholic posting on these forums is doing, doesn’t even come close to worship.
Do you claim to know otherwise?
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myfavoritmartin
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This is funny, the israelites didn’t expect the golden calf to grant anything, they didn’t believe it was anything other than a visual symbol for there feeble minds to connect with God…
This coincides with the gold serpent God gave them, It was given to HIS people to show them HE was a living God! It taught them to focus on HIM and HIM alone… It was also shadowing Christs’ ultimate sacrifice and teaches us where 100% of our focus should be.
Try word searching bethel dan and the golden calves it talks more about it, I think it is from either isaiah or jeremiah…
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water
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you capitlized the word “God” … in the passages, it says “gods”.
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myfavoritmartin
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Bad translation!
It actually says elohiym which out of 2600 times 2350 times its meaning is God almighty. Plus God himself and Aaron says whom brought them out of egypt!
bju.edu/bible/bible.php?b=exod&c=32&v=0&d=32&w=0
Plus Aaron said and tomorrow we’ll build an alter and have a feast unto the LORD
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‘MAKE US A GOD’ - you really think they never expected the golden calf to grant requests or anything? I don’t believe that for a second.
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myfavoritmartin
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Your own bishops even recognise this was meant to be YAHWEH!
Your adding your own personal interpretation here…
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LilyM
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American bishops thank you - MY bishops here in Australia recognise the notes of the NAB Bible for the crud they are and don’t use the NAB at all!
My apologies to my lovely American brothers and sisters, but most of you would agree with me. And by the way, Bible notes are hardly infallible teaching in any event!
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Simon,
You are a classic example of why Sola Scriptora is false. I guess you can believe what you want…this is really getting old. So do all statues and pictures need distroyed? Or just the one’s that us Catholics have of our Saints? So I guess all those statues we have of our History’s hero’s are ok right? How bout pictures? Are they bad also? Then again how bout mirrors? When you look what image do you see? Do you prune in front of that image?
You are a classic example of why Sola Scriptora is false. I guess you can believe what you want…this is really getting old. So do all statues and pictures need distroyed? Or just the one’s that us Catholics have of our Saints? So I guess all those statues we have of our History’s hero’s are ok right? How bout pictures? Are they bad also? Then again how bout mirrors? When you look what image do you see? Do you prune in front of that image?
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It is not Aaron we are talking about, it is the people who later turned to gods not God.
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This coincides with the gold serpent God gave them, It was given to HIS people to show them HE was a living God! It taught them to focus on HIM and HIM alone… It was also shadowing Christs’ ultimate sacrifice and teaches us where 100% of our focus should be.
Try word searching bethel dan and the golden calves it talks more about it, I think it is from either isaiah or jeremiah…Where is that in the Word of God?
Where does it say that?
The fact is that Golden bovines etc where common idols and they were indeed considered to be gods. Look at Bel in the book of Daniel. It supposedly ate and they all believed that until Daniel showed them the truth. If you look at Baal, you see that they expected that idol to be active as well.
I won’t even get into all the Greek & Roman deities (idols).
You’re talking out your hat MfM. This doesn’t bother any of us other than it’s just another load of anti-Catholic propaganda dressed up by you. It’s old… it’s tired, it’s meant to confuse people because you use scripture to make your case, but it’s not there and neither is anything idolatrous to do with faithful Catholicism.
This has been answered so many times in the last 2,000 years.
Even the Romans said that we eat our God and drown our children. Is it true? No!
This thread is a bad joke…as long as you’d been here, I’d have expected better of you. Where have you been? Anti-Catholic Bible college?
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I have to agree with Lily (and her bishop) on this. There’s nothing De Fide in what you quoted, so it’s not dogmatic or doctrinal.
Thank God for the holy Bishop that I have!
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Uh where did you ever get the idea that footnotes to a Bible reflected the teachings of the Church? There are ,I believe , only 5 verses the Church has made a de fide interperation of. As has been pointed out repeatedly to you Catholics dont beleive that Scripture is a puzzle book that contains the truth only for those smart enough to cipher it out… We we are not at all concerned about parseing every verse to come up with are own personal interperation of it…
You have been told been repeatedly that Catholics dont worship statues, you have been given offical Church teachings that says the same yet you insist on giving us again and again and again your own personal interperation of a the same small handful of verses that you just know proves we are all liars.
When will it sink in that no one here accepts your authortity to interpert Scripture for the rest of us.?
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