Abortion because of severe health issues

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MtnDwellar said:
It’s a matter of faith. Without faith, the decision to abort can be easily justified.

We know that God created the life inside the womb. We also know that God has a plan for every action He takes. We must trust in God’s plan for the parents and the baby.

If the child is Baptized and even if he lives only a short and painful life, we take joy in knowing, without doubt, that he is welcomed into the loving arms of Jesus. He will spend eternity with God in heaven.

It’s faith that leads the parents to giving the child a chance to live.
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Depends on what one’s faith is. There are Christian denominations recognized by your church as Christian that allow at least for some choice and Orthodox Jews are required to abort to save the life of the woman.

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jaimeleglise said:
I have read accounts of pro-life couples choosing to give birth to their babies, knowing very well that their lives on earth would be very brief. They took turns holding and loving the baby, took pictures of him/her, spoke and sung to the baby. They had the chance to say hello and good-bye to the baby as he entered God’s kingdom. They also got the babies baptized. None of the couples ever regretted giving their babies life.

Abortion is very painful psychologically to the parents and families and very painful physically to the baby. It is often followed by deep guilt, regret, ptsd and sorrow.

I would have given anything to be able to see and hold my miscarried baby. All I got was a pool of blood.
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Well good for them. But the thing is, not everyone is religious. Not everyone believes that their baby will be going to heaven. For them, it is just a few minutes of agony before the baby is gone forever into nothingness. That’s not quite as lovely, is it?

If you are concerned about psychological and physical pain, you would not want to force a pregnancy to go full term just to see a baby die in pain. There’s no chance to take cute little photos, because the doctors will be trying in vain to save the baby’s life, likely in another room. There’s nothing romantic about that.

It should be up to the parents to decide whether they want possible regret from an abortion or possible trauma from witnessing the death of their screaming child.
 
Memaw said:
Have you ever lost a baby??? I have lost 2 babies at about 6 months, and yes its always hard to lose someone you LOVE! But killing them for ANY reason would be far worse. I can’t even imagine the guilt! And yes they do suffer devastating guilt for the rest of their lives. Life AND Death IS Godly!! He is the author of both. I am 80 years old and I still think of my babies, what they would have looked like,etc. We have always included them in our family discussions. We ask them to pray for us. There’s no guilt, just LOVE! The day is getting closer when we will be together forever! God Bless, Memaw
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Try to see it from the point of view of an atheist, an agnostic. There’s no heaven for them, there’s no beautiful baby up in heaven praying for them. NO happy ending the way you have, not in their minds anyways. Can you even try to comprehend the pain of that?
 
MtnDwellar said:
If the child is Baptized and even if he lives only a short and painful life, we take joy in knowing, without doubt, that he is welcomed into the loving arms of Jesus. He will spend eternity with God in heaven.

It’s faith that leads the parents to giving the child a chance to live.
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Why would the baby not be welcomed into the loving arms of Jesus after being killed through an abortion?
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Try to see it from the point of view of an atheist, an agnostic. There’s no heaven for them, there’s no beautiful baby up in heaven praying for them. NO happy ending the way you have, not in their minds anyways. Can you even try to comprehend the pain of that?
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So they trade the pain of a natural death for one they cause themselves?? That doesn’t make sense to me at all. The baby is just as dead with “no happy ending” according to their way of thinking! There is a Heaven for them, they just don’t believe it. But the baby should not be killed just because the parent.(s). don’t want it, whatever the reason. I often wonder what people who die without faith in God, think when they have to come face to face with Him. HE is there whether we believe it or not! Denying GOD doesn’t make HIM disappear. God Bless, Memaw
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Many of you underestimate the psychological impact of watching your newborn baby gasp for air and die in pain.

That’s not “choosing life” as some noble and religious cause. You’re choosing a two second long, painful, life which will emotionally scar a woman and lead to absolutely nothing but psychological damage. No baby’s life is being saved, its death is merely being put off to the last, painful minute.

Nothing about that is compassionate, and no matter how you try to twist the concept, your belief that you are “choosing life” in this scenario is one of the least noble things I have ever heard.

Putting off death until the last minute is not noble, it is not godly, it is not compassionate. Nothing I say will ever convince you otherwise, but I hope someday you’ll realize that.
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As opposed to the lifelong pain of knowing that you sanctioned the death of your child?

Wow. That’s really disrespectful of women;s feelings. Women SUFFER after abortion, for years. Spend time in a counseling ministry like Rachel’s Vineyard where women are sobbing years later…then you will know the pain of abortion. Women are going through hell on earth.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Why would the baby not be welcomed into the loving arms of Jesus after being killed through an abortion?
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Do people earn eternal life when they have not lived physical life?
Do you believe every naturally unused egg goes to heaven? This is a child who was not permitted to go to term. After birth, anyone can be baptized, not before
A person is born into this world, hopefully, without interference. The child has a chance at being Baptized. Always wonderful. But we frankly don’t know what happens to those who were denied life. Only God knows that. Children accepted lovingly from God in the first place do merit eternal life. We all hope to gain such.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Try to see it from the point of view of an atheist, an agnostic. There’s no heaven for them, there’s no beautiful baby up in heaven praying for them. NO happy ending the way you have, not in their minds anyways. Can you even try to comprehend the pain of that?
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I, for one, do not want to look at things from the point of view of someone whose point of view is in error.
 
pianistclare said:
Do people earn eternal life when they have not lived physical life?
Do you believe every naturally unused egg goes to heaven? This is a child who was not permitted to go to term. After birth, anyone can be baptized, not before
A person is born into this world, hopefully, without interference. The child has a chance at being Baptized. Always wonderful. But we frankly don’t know what happens to those who were denied life. Only God knows that. Children accepted lovingly from God in the first place do merit eternal life. We all hope to gain such.
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We DO know that babies who die without baptism do NOT go to Hell, so God must have an plan for them. I TRUST God with the tiny lives HE created. An unfertilized egg is not a baby! God Bless, Memaw
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Well good for them. But the thing is, not everyone is religious. Not everyone believes that their baby will be going to heaven. For them, it is just a few minutes of agony before the baby is gone forever into nothingness. That’s not quite as lovely, is it?

If you are concerned about psychological and physical pain, you would not want to force a pregnancy to go full term just to see a baby die in pain. There’s no chance to take cute little photos, because the doctors will be trying in vain to save the baby’s life, likely in another room. There’s nothing romantic about that.

It should be up to the parents to decide whether they want possible regret from an abortion or possible trauma from witnessing the death of their screaming child.
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Even if a mother did not believe in heaven, do you really see no value in her having the opportunity to meet and hold and sing to her child, however briefly?

It is possible to decline care for a child that has no chance of survival, as presented in this situation. The doctors would not be frantically trying to save the child’s life unless they believed it to be possible. (And if they believed it possible, then the argument in favor of abortion “because it’s going to die anyway shortly after birth” falls apart). No, in cases where the child absolutely cannot live outside the womb (because he is missing some critical brain mass or several organs, etc), the doctors would allow the mother and family to kiss and love and take pictures of their new baby and offer pain relief. And if the mother believes that the baby disappears into nothingness after he passes, then surely she must also agree that his short life had proportionately more love and affection in it than most people get before they die.

No person should be allowed to decide if they prefer the guilt of killing someone to the difficulty of watching that person suffer.
 
Memaw said:
So they trade the pain of a natural death for one they cause themselves?? That doesn’t make sense to me at all. The baby is just as dead with “no happy ending” according to their way of thinking! There is a Heaven for them, they just don’t believe it. But the baby should not be killed just because the parent.(s). don’t want it, whatever the reason. I often wonder what people who die without faith in God, think when they have to come face to face with Him. HE is there whether we believe it or not! Denying GOD doesn’t make HIM disappear. God Bless, Memaw
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You don’t understand so I’m not going to try and make you.
 
pianistclare said:
As opposed to the lifelong pain of knowing that you sanctioned the death of your child?

Wow. That’s really disrespectful of women;s feelings. Women SUFFER after abortion, for years. Spend time in a counseling ministry like Rachel’s Vineyard where women are sobbing years later…then you will know the pain of abortion. Women are going through hell on earth.
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Oh, so you speak for every single woman who has ever gotten an abortion? Good to know. I was unaware that you were as omniscient as God Himself.
 
Memaw said:
We DO know that babies who die without baptism do NOT go to Hell, so God must have an plan for them. I TRUST God with the tiny lives HE created. An unfertilized egg is not a baby! God Bless, Memaw
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Slow down Memaw, I’m not disagreeing with you.
 
pianistclare said:
Do people earn eternal life when they have not lived physical life?
Do you believe every naturally unused egg goes to heaven? This is a child who was not permitted to go to term. After birth, anyone can be baptized, not before
A person is born into this world, hopefully, without interference. The child has a chance at being Baptized. Always wonderful. But we frankly don’t know what happens to those who were denied life. Only God knows that. Children accepted lovingly from God in the first place do merit eternal life. We all hope to gain such.
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Are you saying that babies who are killed before they exit the womb are not going to go to heaven because they have not existed outside of the womb yet and have not been baptized? I don’t think that’s how God works.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Oh, so you speak for every single woman who has ever gotten an abortion? Good to know. I was unaware that you were as omniscient as God Himself.
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What are you so angry about?
Why do you refuse to believe that there could possibly being a loving God and creator?
Why do you believe that all women who have had an abortion are just fine with it?

The testimonies are out there. Look them up.
I’m not making anything up.

But you seem to want to deny everything. :confused:

Why is a person who has zero faith in God posting on a Catholic forum?
Do you think you are going to change our worldview? hint: NO WAY.
Catholics stand for LIFE.

Glad to know you think all of us who dialog with you are idiots.
Whatever.
:rolleyes:
 
nodito said:
Even if a mother did not believe in heaven, do you really see no value in her having the opportunity to meet and hold and sing to her child, however briefly?

No person should be allowed to decide if they prefer the guilt of killing someone to the difficulty of watching that person suffer.
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I personally see the value, but not every woman does. It’s not my place to dictate what every woman should hold valuable.

You’re leaving out the fact that the killing of the child is an attempted act of humanity, not a cold-blooded murder. Good intentions count for something. You’re also leaving out the fact that they are not just watching someone suffer, they are inevitably witnessing someone’s death.
 
pianistclare said:
What are you so angry about?
Why do you refuse to believe that there could possibly being a loving God and creator?
Why do you believe that all women who have had an abortion are just fine with it?

The testimonies are out there. Look them up.
I’m not making anything up.

But you seem to want to deny everything. :confused:

Why is a person who has zero faith in God posting on a Catholic forum?
Do you think you are going to change our worldview? hint: NO WAY.
Catholics stand for LIFE.

Glad to know you think all of us who dialog with you are idiots.
Whatever.
:rolleyes:
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…?

I’m Christian, I’m not angry, and I don’t know what every woman is feeling. What on earth are you talking about?

There are women who are not Christian, women who are, women who are glad they had an abortion, women who are glad they did not. You can’t put them into one big box of ultimate consensus, that’s not how that works.

By the way, don’t you dare declare how much faith I have in God. I have never heard something more presumptuous. I do not think anyone on this thread is an idiot, so how about you cease putting words in my mouth?

You are way over the line.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
…?

I’m Christian, I’m not angry, and I don’t know what every woman is feeling. What on earth are you talking about?

There are women who are not Christian, women who are, women who are glad they had an abortion, women who are glad they did not. You can’t put them into one big box of ultimate consensus, that’s not how that works.

By the way, don’t you dare declare how much faith I have in God. I have never heard something more presumptuous. I do not think anyone on this thread is an idiot, so how about you cease putting words in my mouth?

You are way over the line.
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Christians for Abortion. Mocking those who are pro-life as not knowing facts.
Check. Got it.
unsubscribing.
 
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