Abortion because of severe health issues

[Hope_Philomena]

Why is it what I’m saying is “preaching”, but what your saying isn’t??? God Bless, Memaw

Because I’m not using multiple exclamation marks to proclaim what God thinks is wrong and is right, repeatedly as if I didn’t hear you the first time.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

The OP self identifies as Catholic. He posted a question on a Catholic website. I think we can rightly assume that he was looking for a Catholic answer.

We know that not everyone agrees with Catholic teachings, including those teachings on abortion. That’s why there is more than one religion!

Why do non-Catholics want to argue and insult us?

I think it’s fairly obvious that nobody is referring to the main post anymore. It’s way off topic, and if you want to understand why we’re discussing these things then you’ll have to read through every page to get a bigger picture.

Nobody is insulting you.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

(Learning about embryonic and fetal development, and the actual techniques of abortion, were key to my becoming pro-life. Sophie Lawrence points it out well above. It’s not like you blissfully go to sleep and then wake up and you’re not pregnant, like you’ve gone back in time. In late term abortion, you still deliver the baby. The risks of childbirth are still present. You also have to.disclose that abortion for the rest of your life. I just filled out intake paperwork for prenatal care for my fourth. I’m seeing the same provider, but I still had to answer the form: How many pregnancies? How many live births? How many miscarriages? How many still births? How many abortions? How many children living today? I’ll have to answer again for any ultrasounds and at any regular gynecological exams for the rest of my life.)

You don’t speak for every woman who has ever had an abortion, though. I certainly don’t. Nobody does. The things you see as burdens one has to carry may be very simple to other women. Plenty of people don’t mind having to “report” their abortions, and let me tell you: Plenty of people certainly feel blissful. Others do not, others feel guilty, but why should we pay attention to only one side of the spectrum?

 

[Sy_Noe]

Repeatedly stating that which is patently obvious is not providing an argument. It actually is insulting.

One easy way that I can know a poster has non-Catholic views is by the way he fills in his profile. ie “Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith”

We do not fear such discussion. Calling someone fearful is insulting.

Catholics believe that life begins at conception and that all life is sacred. Others believe that the unborn are not worthy of protection and can be thrown into the garbage. There are well known arguments on both sides.

What is the purpose of attempting to argue in favor of abortion with Catholics on a Catholic website?

So you moved the goal post from non-Catholic to non-Catholic views. There is a difference according to your church’s teaching. Regardless, no one I see is arguing in favor of abortion. In favor of religious liberty on the issue for Catholics as well as for non Catholics who hold a different view as to what should be legal in a pluralistic society and not in a theocracy, perhaps. But then as I said earlier, it sometimes seems to me some Catholics are all for religious liberty if it’s their views that are given liberty and become secular law. I understand it is a difficult challenge no doubt to balance rights in a way that pleases everyone however. God bless everyone on this thread. Many of you have indeed presented the OP with the Catholic answer. I am sure however the debate shall continue including among faiths and within society on the whole. Peace to all as we with finite understanding walk not by sight but in faith toward the infinite.

 

[1990Domer]

Not everyone believes in your God, your idea of eternal consequences. Don’t try to force your beliefs upon the rest of the world. They don’t think they’re playing God, and they think they are doing the right thing. So how about you not attempt to presume who will be going to hell and who won’t be? You don’t know, I don’t know.

People who don’t believe in God don’t need to “play God”. They just want to survive and do what’s right.

The poster who applied to you is bearing witness to his faith. He is not a relativist, and you are making him feel bad for bearing witness.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I think it’s fairly obvious that nobody is referring to the main post anymore. It’s way off topic, and if you want to understand why we’re discussing these things then you’ll have to read through every page to get a bigger picture.

Nobody is insulting you.

Amen

 

[Hope_Philomena]

The poster who applied to you is bearing witness to his faith. He is not a relativist, and you are making him feel bad for bearing witness.

I disagree with you. Please don’t dredge up older arguments, there’s already so many messy ones going on as it is…

 

[MtnDwellar]

So you moved the goal post from non-Catholic to non-Catholic views. There is a difference according to your church’s teaching. Regardless, no one I see is arguing in favor of abortion. In favor of religious liberty on the issue for Catholics as well as for non Catholics who hold a different view as to what should be legal in a pluralistic society and not in a theocracy, perhaps. But then as I said earlier, it sometimes seems to me some Catholics are all for religious liberty if it’s their views that are given liberty and become secular law. I understand it is a difficult challenge no doubt to balance rights in a way that pleases everyone however. God bless everyone on this thread. Many of you have indeed presented the OP with the Catholic answer. I am sure however the debate shall continue including among faiths and within society on the whole. Peace to all as we with finite understanding walk not by sight but in faith toward the infinite.

I needed to move the goal post. Baptized individuals who leave the Church are still considered Catholic.

The abortion debate is absolutely not about religious liberty. No wonder we can’t have an intelligent discussion.

 

[1990Domer]

Try to see it from the point of view of an atheist, an agnostic. There’s no heaven for them, there’s no beautiful baby up in heaven praying for them. NO happy ending the way you have, not in their minds anyways. Can you even try to comprehend the pain of that?

@Hope, with abortion there is 100% chance the baby will die. If a baby is delivered, there is still a chance the doctors are wrong. Doctors are far from infallible.

 

[1990Domer]

I personally see the value, but not every woman does. It’s not my place to dictate what every woman should hold valuable.

You’re leaving out the fact that the killing of the child is an attempted act of humanity, not a cold-blooded murder. Good intentions count for something. You’re also leaving out the fact that they are not just watching someone suffer, they are inevitably witnessing someone’s death.

An attempted act of humanity? Seriously? #SMH

 

[1990Domer]

Moral relativism is wonderful, it inspires a great many debates among society.

Some women who get abortions do not see it as killing as they may not believe that life begins at conception. It all depends on your worldview, which can be so incredibly varied. That’s why I advocate for not forcing your philosophical worldview onto the laws of society unless there is a mass consensus on said proposed law.

I haven’t read all the post, but anyone who thinks moral relativism is great is in, I feel, for a great deal of disappointment when he/she discovers the truth. Society is in a downward spiral and the Devil loves it.

 

[1990Domer]

Plenty of people have faith in God and are religious who do not subscribe to your faith and religion nor its view that only yours is the one true faith. And that includes people in denominations that even your church considers to be Christian.

The Catholic Church is the only Church whose founder’s tomb is empty. Food for thought.

 

[Memaw]

Because I’m not using multiple exclamation marks to proclaim what God thinks is wrong and is right, repeatedly as if I didn’t hear you the first time.

Oh my that’s just me, don’'t sweat it!!! I don’t know how to bold. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

I haven’t read all the post, but anyone who thinks moral relativism is great is in, I feel, for a great deal of disappointment when he/she discovers the truth. Society is in a downward spiral and the Devil loves it.

AMEN!!! God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

I read a story about a woman who had an abortion because the baby wouldn’t live but a few moments after birth, dying after gasping for air. Assuming this is true, what is a compassionate response? Obviously it is wrong to intentionally kill the child via an abortion. After the child is born I would assume doctors could do what they can to try and alleviate the baby’s suffering. However, the pro-abortion side takes the approach that an abortion would be better to save the mother having to carry a child to term only to watch her child die. To them, they are thinking of the psychological effect to the mother. What is the best way to approach the situation?

Abortion IS a “severe health issue” for the baby!!! God Bless, Memaw

 

[Sy_Noe]

I haven’t read all the post, but anyone who thinks moral relativism is great is in, I feel, for a great deal of disappointment when he/she discovers the truth. Society is in a downward spiral and the Devil loves it.

No one knows the truth with 100% certainty. One can certainly believe or think they know by faith but the two are not exactly the same. Disappointment may also be possible if what someone believes turns out not to be exactly the case. But for those whose faith is grounded in a Creator’s mercy and in the case of Christians whose faith is based on Christ the Redeemer, alleluia there is hope! Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Their understanding may be changing to suit their wants, but GOD’S doesn’t. Life is sacred to God, HE is the Creator. HE sent His SON die for ALL of us, whether we believe it or NOT. Didn’t Jesus warn us that the path to Heaven is narrow and difficult but the path to Hell is wide and easy!!! God Bless, Memaw

And John saw multitudes. God bless you too.

 

[1990Domer]

AMEN!!! God Bless, Memaw

God bless you too Memaw. I’m reading, “Who am I to judge,” by Edward Sri. Great read thus far!

 

[pensmama87]

You don’t speak for every woman who has ever had an abortion, though. I certainly don’t. Nobody does. The things you see as burdens one has to carry may be very simple to other women. Plenty of people don’t mind having to “report” their abortions, and let me tell you: Plenty of people certainly feel blissful. Others do not, others feel guilty, but why should we pay attention to only one side of the spectrum?

Did I say it was a burden? I’m just pointing it out. I very strongly believe in showing compassion for every person, but I’m sure you would agree that feelings cannot be a very good measuring stick for whether an action is moral or not (there are many people who commit acts that are seen as heinous by just about everyone except the person who did it - and that person sleeps just fine at night!)

We have to deal with facts. The facts of embryonic and fetal development are based in science and logic, not faith.

If you say that feelings determine whether or not those who are innocent are deserving of legal protection, then you’re advocating anarchy.

 

[Sarcelle]

Not everyone believes in your God, your idea of eternal consequences. Don’t try to force your beliefs upon the rest of the world. They don’t think they’re playing God, and they think they are doing the right thing. So how about you not attempt to presume who will be going to hell and who won’t be? You don’t know, I don’t know.

People who don’t believe in God don’t need to “play God”. They just want to survive and do what’s right.

They are just expressing their view and even if their view is not in line with yours, this does not equal forcing.

Now the topic is a preemptive abortion in case of future suffering. Now is this is not playing God, I don’t know what is.