sociopathic, homicidal or you crave attention to the point of having (making up) offensive opinions which would classify you as a pathological liar. Another senario would be you have an antisocial personality disorder and is a psychopath. All of which are mental issues.
I guess a lot of people are sociopaths then, since it’s not an uncommon view to identify personhood with consciousness.
If you try to kill a cow or any other animal it will try to fight you off and survive. Do you eat meat? Why do you think killing animals to eat them is ok?
We realize that believers and non-believers do not hold the same views.
I think killing conscious beings (human or not) is murder. If a baby is conscious, then I think killing it is murder. The reason I said what I did, is that from what I read newborns aren’t conscious (they don’t even recognize themselves in mirrors as far as I know).
One…we have laws on how food production can kill animals that we eat. we are also talking about two vastly different things. We kill animals to eat them, to get the nuroushment that our bodies need as omnivores. Some people choose not to eat animals and must take vitamines and other amino acids to replace when that meat provides. We do not participate in cannibolism therefor the death of any living human being is illegal unless done for valid justified reasons. For that matter cannibolism because of necessity is not illegal, seeing as I am a byproduct of one such incident, with my greatgrandfather killling his best friend and eating him to survive. (Long story but that was the giest) And you are maligning the prochoice argument and that is brain FUNCTION not conscience to the point of a 4 year old (since you don’t think that 2-3 year olds have congnitive abilities nor conscienceness) Brain function begins roughly around 22 weeks at earliest (barring interventions to speed development process) when the cerebral cortex develops the connection is made between the brain and the spinal cord (the part of the body that sends the messages to the rest of the organs). This is why most prochoicers agree that abortions past this point should only be fr serious medical reasons such as life-threatening conditions, that any non-pregnant woman can do against a conscience person that is threatening her life through their actions. They believe that after this point the least amount of force is to be used, which would be induced labor or an early c-section unless those option present a futher risk to her health because of her medical condition. Another reason why later-term abortions are very rare.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, but three lefts do.
That was merely opinion, never doctrine or teaching of the Church. The opinion was held because no one then knew anything about the science of pregnancy and the development of the preborn. All they knew is what they felt when the baby began to move -thinking that somehow only then, the baby became alive.
With all due respect, flyingfish, when you hold the belief that every time you go to sleep you die, and wake up as a new person, as you seem to think, it’s really no surprise that you can’t really understand all this. I can’t even begin to grasp your thought process, and frankly, I don’t want to.
Thank you Mark…I unfortunetly made that remark because you are not the norm that I have come into contact with, and many past responses by others have been in negative light (not on this particular board)
You are talking about something totally different.
I’m normally not the norm.
Well again thank you. Here I have experienced hatred for my religious views (or rather lack of) and also my prochoice views, although I try not to push them onto anyone, When the topic of abortion comes up I try to remain as objective as possible just giving facts and both sides, but oft times that is not welcome.I’m normally not the norm.
I save my daggers for anyi-Catholic Protestants who think they have wrestled the reins away from the pope.
Didn’t Terry smile and react to others? Weren’t some arguing that those were signs of a mind? However people generally thought it was okay to cut life support because they believed the specialists when they said she didn’t have a conscious mind any longer.
As I said, I don’t know when babies become self aware. I haven’t studied this extensively, so I admit I might be wrong. If a 10 month old knows he exists, then he’s a person.
So say if we invented artificial intelligence, and a machine was aware of its existence, had dreams for the future, and a love of life, would you say it wans’t murder to destroy it?
I don’t have any malicious feelings toward babies, when I see other people’s babies I smile and wave at them. I think they’re cute.