A priest will tell you to remain open to as many children as God might want to endear to you.I say again, God gave us intellect and free will to make decisions. And I suggest again that you seek out counsel from a knowledgeable priest. I am sure that priest will tell you that a responsible parent does not jeopardize the safety and security of his family.
Sending my children to Catholic school is extremely important to me. I know the value of a Catholic education. Apparently you don’t. Your interpretation of “God’s will” is to act like there’s no tomorrow - eat, drink and make merry because tomorrow you may die.
Well, that’s your choice.
No one has said “eat, drink and make merry because tomorrow you may die.” We are saying trust in God. He will not give more than you can handle. You are right to say God gave us free will and that is exactly how we got into this mess. Adam and Eve wanted to be like God. Do we want to be like God and decide for ourselves which gifts we want God to give us and when we should turn to God and tell Him enough I have to send these gifts to Catholic School and I am afraid that I know more than You and I know I will not be able to do that.I say again, God gave us intellect and free will to make decisions. And I suggest again that you seek out counsel from a knowledgeable priest. I am sure that priest will tell you that a responsible parent does not jeopardize the safety and security of his family.
Sending my children to Catholic school is extremely important to me. I know the value of a Catholic education. Apparently you don’t. Your interpretation of “God’s will” is to act like there’s no tomorrow - eat, drink and make merry because tomorrow you may die.
Well, that’s your choice.
Your interpretation of what I’ve said is about as bad as I can imagine… maybe worse, because I wouldn’t have imagined an interpretation that far off course. If this is the best you can do, then I recommend you immediately pray for and emergency infusion of some basic wisdom.I say again, God gave us intellect and free will to make decisions. And I suggest again that you seek out counsel from a knowledgeable priest. I am sure that priest will tell you that a responsible parent does not jeopardize the safety and security of his family.
Sending my children to Catholic school is extremely important to me. I know the value of a Catholic education. Apparently you don’t. Your interpretation of “God’s will” is to act like there’s no tomorrow - eat, drink and make merry because tomorrow you may die.
Well, that’s your choice.
It’s nice that you can afford to donate to Catholic schools. My donation comes in the form of tuition for my children. That’s what God’s plan is - for responsible parents to educate their children.Your interpretation of what I’ve said is about as bad as I can imagine… maybe worse, because I wouldn’t have imagined an interpretation that far off course. If this is the best you can do, then I recommend you immediately pray for and emergency infusion of some basic wisdom.
How ignorant is it to say that I don’t know the value of a Catholic education when I told you that I donate $9K/year to our Catholic School, but don’t have a school age child.
How ignorant is it to say that I interpret God’s will as party like there’s no tomorrow? To make it completely easy for you, it is “trust in God, and tomorrow will be fine.” Savings are blessings from God. I am 20 years from retirement, but we have 401K, Retirement, large savings in the bank, insurance, paid cash for our vehicles, etc. The wise person knows that these could all go away tomorrow, but God will not. Even if all these went away, we know that we would be fine, because we put our trust in God, and not in these material things.
We are called to be a good steward, but are not foolish to believe that our real security lies in financial securities, homes, cars, savings, etc.
The way you’ve interpreted is that trusting God is the same as one putting God to the test in throwing yourself off a cliff and asking Him to save you, which if you remember Jesus rebuked Satan and told him not to do so. Trusting God has nothing to do with being irresponsible, having no savings, or putting God to the test… just the opposite. We are responsible, have savings, etc.
If it’s alright with you (or even if it isn’t), we’ll continue with our priest friends and guidance just as we have before, seeking God first in our lives. We’ll continue to put our trust in the wisdom of God and trust Him as our true and real Father. We just don’t see that it’s wise to trust our own “wisdom” above His, nor to place our security in things that can go away tomorrow. If that’s your version of being “responsible”, I recommend revising it immediately.
Can you please just be decent and nice?It’s nice that you can afford to donate to Catholic schools. My donation comes in the form of tuition for my children. That’s what God’s plan is - for a responsible parents to educate their children.
You don’t see it that way and I’m sorry for you.
I don’t think that God would agree with your distortions of what people including me have promoted here and said to you. God’s eighth Commandment is important to me. Please consider it before bearing false witness against others.I would also add that living one’s life out of control is not the will of God. Discipline and self restraint is very much a part of God’s plan, however.
We practiced NFP so that we could provide our children with what we value most which is a Catholic education. We live within our means and make appropriate sacrifices to insure that we can pay for those educations. If disaster happens, then we deal with that disaster when it happens.
But I don’t think God would agree with your free-wheeling attitude towards responsibility and discipline.
Could you possibly explain how you know what God’s plan is for? I mean was it a national lottery thing with a finger pointing at you telling you not to have more than 3 kids unless you could afford to put them into a Catholic school?It’s nice that you can afford to donate to Catholic schools. My donation comes in the form of tuition for my children. That’s what God’s plan is - for responsible parents to educate their children.
You don’t see it that way and I’m sorry for you.
If what you say were true, the Church would not allow NFP. But on the contrary, the Church endorses NFP when families need to limit the number of children for financial, health or other reasons.Could you possibly explain how you know what God’s plan is for? I mean was it a national lottery thing with a finger pointing at you telling you not to have more than 3 kids unless you could afford to put them into a Catholic school?
I think you’ve created a bit of a storm in a teacup over this. If God chooses to bless a marriage with 3, 6, 9 or a dozen children then that is his decision. Whether the parents can afford to send them to expensive schools doesn’t normally come into the equation, at least not if the past few thousand years of human history are anything to go by.
In Africa families get by on far less, relatively few of them will be able to afford to pay for any education for their children, some of them are lucky if they have sufficient funds to feed their kids. Does that make them irresponsible parents?
Catholic schools can be wonderful, they can also be as bad or worse than non denominational state schools. The fact is Catholicism was handed on from one generation to the next before Catholic schools came into being, and I’m willing to bet that it would continue to be if Catholic schools were banned as well.
I’m sure you’ve misphrased, but dis you really intend to say “what we value most which is a Catholic education”. I mean shouldn’t a few things come before that in terms of value?I would also add that living one’s life out of control is not the will of God. Discipline and self restraint is very much a part of God’s plan, however.
We practiced NFP so that we could provide our children with what we value most which is a Catholic education. We live within our means and make appropriate sacrifices to insure that we can pay for those educations. If disaster happens, then we deal with that disaster when it happens.
But I don’t think God would agree with your free-wheeling attitude towards responsibility and discipline.
I just don’t understand where you are coming from. I as a parent who I think is a responsible parent also think educating my children is what I am called to do. I do so by knowing I am their primary educator. I cannot and will not lay all of the responsibility on another. And quite frankly I am very sorry that you cannot see it this way. If you cannot afford Catholic education for all of your children maybe you can look at home education. I know a lot of large families who do just this. And believe me it is alot cheaper than the formal catholic education.It’s nice that you can afford to donate to Catholic schools. My donation comes in the form of tuition for my children. That’s what God’s plan is - for responsible parents to educate their children.
You don’t see it that way and I’m sorry for you.
You’re free to make that choice. And your choice isn’t necessarily a good one if your a bad teacher and can’t provide the necessary tools for a good education.I just don’t understand where you are coming from. I as a parent who I think is a responsible parent also think educating my children is what I am called to do. I do so by knowing I am their primary educator. I cannot and will not lay all of the responsibility on another. And quite frankly I am very sorry that you cannot see it this way. If you cannot afford Catholic education for all of your children maybe you can look at home education. I know a lot of large families who do just this. And believe me it is alot cheaper than the formal catholic education.
The Church also endorses NFP to create children.If what you say were true, the Church would not allow NFP. But on the contrary, the Church endorses NFP when families need to limit the number of children for financial, health or other reasons.
I disagree with your opinion on Catholic schools. I haven’t seen a bad one yet. But even if there are bad Catholic schools, the schools that my children attend are excellent.
And BTW, you don’t know what God’s plan is either. The best we can do in life is follow the Church’s teachings and be responsible in our behavior.
So, are you saying the teachers at your children’s Catholic school are more qualified than you?You’re free to make that choice. And your choice isn’t necessarily a good one if your a bad teacher and can’t provide the necessary tools for a good education.
I have made another choice and it works for our family.
YesSo, are you saying the teachers at your children’s Catholic school are more qualified than you?
snhs,I’m sure you’ve misphrased, but dis you really intend to say “what we value most which is a Catholic education”. I mean shouldn’t a few things come before that in terms of value?
I fail to see how anyone is promoting a free wheeling attitude. MDK has already said that he donates towards a Catholic school despite not having children attending it, which is rather different to paying tuition fees by the way.
Out of interest would you say the same thing about Moses and the Israelites, after all they set out across the Desert relying on God for food, water, protection etc?
How sad, and lazy:shrug:
You obviously endorse shutting down all the Catholic schools as the parents who send their children to them are lazy. I think you might have a lot of friends on this board…How sad, and lazy:shrug:
You really like to read into what someone is trying to state. No one is endorsing anything. We are saying that as a responsible parent we are our childrens primary educators. It is our responsibility to teach our children. This is something we should be doing since birth. No one is telling you not to send your children to catholic school or to pull your children out of school and home educate them.You obviously endorse shutting down all the Catholic schools as the parents who send their children to them are lazy. I think you might have a lot of friends on this board…
Thank you!!! All three of my kids went to Catholic Schools because of generous people like you. It was a very proud moment the year I paid the tuition myself, people like you inspired me to work hard to afford it on my own. I hope someday I can do the same for others too.How do you know you can’t send six. For instance, I donate $9K/year to our Catholic School so others can go, and I don’t have a child in school. Oh, ye of little faith! Does responsible to you mean limiting what God can accomplish in your life by saying “no” to Him?